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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 05:25 PM
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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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Then hire a good lawyer, because you and everyone you dealt with is going to the big house.


Such a scare tactic coming from one of the most prolific posting debunkers around, merits even more reason why we need to do this. Hint & wink, they are scared of what we might find. Blasting a plane out of the sky, creates a huge fan/stretch/reach of projectile evidence in terms of square miles.

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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by The Blind Eye
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Then hire a good lawyer, because you and everyone you dealt with is going to the big house.


Such a scare tactic coming from one of the most prolific posting debunkers around, merits even more reason why we need to do this. Hint & wink, they are scared of what we might find. Blasting a plane out of the sky, creates a huge fan/stretch/reach of projectile evidence in terms of square miles.

[edit on 3-1-2010 by The Blind Eye]


Scared? No more like disgusted. You going to keep any human remains should you find them and turn them over to Scholars for Truth? I would check with them first and see if they want to be on the recieving end of that kind of thing.

You do realize that you are advocating the desacration of a National Memorial site, don't you?



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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Again with the scare tactics lol, mods should keep a very close eye on you.

It wouldn't be deemed "illegal" if such evidence were to be, by chance, (wink) found outside of the memorial property lines... and when did i ever bring up body parts?, that's just supra ultra silly. If we were to take such assumptions seriously, all shredded carnage would have been long gone absorbed by the eco-system/earth by now. Again nice attempt in deterring/diverting people away from a worthwhile independent investigation project, which by the way is our constitutional right as citizens and may i add, more importantly... true patriots.

An itty bitty disclaimer/reminder:
My views do not in any way shape or form represent/reflect ATS's administration,
it's ok boys, you can all breath now, dooper's peeps will be kicking down my door, not yours.


[edit on 3-1-2010 by The Blind Eye]



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by The Blind Eye
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Again with the scare tactics lol, mods should keep a very close eye on you.

It wouldn't be deemed "illegal" if such evidence were to be chance found outside of the memorial property line... and when did i ever bring up body parts?... that's just supra ultra silly. If we were to take such assumptions seriously all shredded carnage would have been long gone absorbed by the eco-system/earth by now. ...again nice attempt in deterring people away from a worthwhile independent investigation project, which, by the way, is our constitutional right as citizens, and may i add... true patriots.

A itty bitty disclaimer/reminder:
my views do not in any way shape or form represent ATS's adminstration, it's ok boys, you can all breath now.


That's pretty funny - you are openly advocating witholding evidence and digging up a National Memorial site (read you earlier posts please) and you think the mods should watch me? I am advocating abiding by the law.

As for carnage - soft tissue should be long gone, however, solid tissue will be around for centuries. Teeth can last hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions. They are basically rocks.

And from whence are you deriving this constitutional right to conduct "independent investigations"? You mean you think any citizen has a right to go onto a crime scene and conduct his/her own investigation? Collect and hold his own evidence? I don't think so. And I hope you don't manage to convince anyone else, either.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
That's pretty funny - you are openly advocating witholding evidence and digging up a National Memorial site (read you earlier posts please) and you think the mods should watch me? I am advocating abiding by the law.

Yes berry funny indeed, hehe... now read again my posts without going out of your way to assuming the worst of my intentions in the face of the law. To go to such an extreme in your accusations just shows once again that your fear mongering is a tool you use to scare people away from such hands on research.


Originally posted by hooperAs for carnage - soft tissue should be long gone, however, solid tissue will be around for centuries. Teeth can last hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions. They are basically rocks.

Thank you for the pointer. Note that fearless ones... make sure your metal detectors are set/tweaked to pick up lead and gold fillings.


Originally posted by hooperAnd from whence are you deriving this constitutional right to conduct "independent investigations"? You mean you think any citizen has a right to go onto a crime scene and conduct his/her own investigation? Collect and hold his own evidence? I don't think so. And I hope you don't manage to convince anyone else, either.

Yes, of course, you hope, for you know there is something there to hide and you are heavily invested in the lie. As for anyone's right to claim to be a private/independent investigator who am i to tell them otherwise.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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Are you guys done?

This thread was much more interesting talking about eminent domain, or whatever excuse the fed-gov used to push the deal thru.

If so I wonder how this qualifies as such?

2PacSade-



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 07:23 PM
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lol... by all means go on with your bore of an inquiry.

Dooper and i were just brain storming on the safest law-abiding route to take in such an investigation as the one shared in the OP.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by hooper

Originally posted by intothelight
Hello All
The reason for this post is simple. I live 6 miles from Shanksville. They have built a memorial on the site were flight 93 went down. It was a big deal around here because the owners of the property did not want to sell it, so for the most part it was taken from them. (surprised LOL )

I don't follow the 9/11 threads so I don't even have a opinion on the subject however, talk of the town here has been f-16s were seen and a missile is what brought down the plane. I was at my family Christmas party this year and my cousin who just got back from Iraq/Afghanistan for the 3rd time was talking about his new metal detector. He bought one that cost him a few thousand bucks. We were talking about going out to the site of the crash with the detector because as hard as that plane hit there should be fragments up to almost a mile. lots of wooded area out there to explore


You do what you want, of course, but I think that may make more than a few people very, very, very unhappy. It is a MEMORIAL site. It would be like me going up to Valley Forge National Park and just start digging around. Why don't you find out first if there are any formal search activities and volunteer for them? My undersanding is that the Pa. State Police use to take academy strudents up there on a regular basis to conduct searches as part of their training, I don't know if that is still happening or not.


Hi Hooper
No No, Bro, I am NOT going to disturb the memorial area, there are woods nearby and some other areas close by. And if we can't do, o-well then were off to Kicksburg, (about 20 miles ) UFO Crash Site



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:49 PM
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That's right Hoop, no harm was intended or planned. We are all boy scouts here... scouts honor. We can all sleep sound tonight knowing that this very valuable government property will not be trespassed/violated this year.

Thank you for keeping us all safe.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 06:06 AM
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Very well, have at it then. Be respectful of private property rights and historically significant findings. And also be aware that it is not "finders keepers" with regard to anything that may have derived from the crash of the plane.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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A while back some of us were trying to get a group together to go to Shanksville and talk to the witnesses.

Surprise,,, the people that believe the official story did not want to go, they did not want to hear anything that did not go along with the official story.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by REMISNE
A while back some of us were trying to get a group together to go to Shanksville and talk to the witnesses.

Surprise,,, the people that believe the official story did not want to go, they did not want to hear anything that did not go along with the official story.



So - did you go? Who would have you tried to talk to? What witnesses exactly? And why is necessary for OS believers to tag along?



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
So - did you go? Who would have you tried to talk to? What witnesses exactly? And why is necessary for OS believers to tag along?


We could not get enough people to go.

Try to get all witnesses together.

So OS beleivers could hear the facts directly from the witnesses.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by hooper
So - did you go? Who would have you tried to talk to? What witnesses exactly? And why is necessary for OS believers to tag along?


We could not get enough people to go.

Try to get all witnesses together.

So OS beleivers could hear the facts directly from the witnesses.



Not trying to be a wiseguy or anything - but really, how many people does it take to go to Shanksville, Pa.? What witnesses would you have liked to interview? As far as I know there were no direct witnesses to the actual crash and most other persons of interest (Shanksville Volunteer Fire Dept for instance) have already made statements. Are you planning on challenging their statements? They are the biggest obstacle to the CT position. They speak directly about human remains, pieces of the plane, the smell of jet fuel, fires, etc. Their statements pretty much develop the scene of the crash.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
Not trying to be a wiseguy or anything - but really, how many people does it take to go to Shanksville, Pa.?


Enough that people like you would have to believe them.

What witnesses would you have liked to interview? As far as I know there were no direct witnesses to the actual crash and most other persons of interest (Shanksville Volunteer Fire Dept for instance) have already made statements.

You are forgetting a lot of people.

Charles Sturtz
Linda Shepley
Kelly Leverknight
Bruce Grine
Eric Peterson

and more.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by hooper
Not trying to be a wiseguy or anything - but really, how many people does it take to go to Shanksville, Pa.?


Enough that people like you would have to believe them.

What witnesses would you have liked to interview? As far as I know there were no direct witnesses to the actual crash and most other persons of interest (Shanksville Volunteer Fire Dept for instance) have already made statements.


You are forgetting a lot of people.

Charles Sturtz
Linda Shepley
Kelly Leverknight
Bruce Grine
Eric Peterson

and more.




All of these people have made statements to the press at one time or another. Have you ever tried to contact them in some way other then directly in person? Do you believe their original statements? Do you think they may be lying or were misquoted?



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
All of these people have made statements to the press at one time or another. Have you ever tried to contact them in some way other then directly in person? Do you believe their original statements? Do you think they may be lying or were misquoted?


I just want peopel like you to hear the facts directly from the people instead of getting your facts from the TV.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by hooper
All of these people have made statements to the press at one time or another. Have you ever tried to contact them in some way other then directly in person? Do you believe their original statements? Do you think they may be lying or were misquoted?


I just want peopel like you to hear the facts directly from the people instead of getting your facts from the TV.



Why? What is wrong with hearing and seeing them on TV? Or reading their statements in the press? Do you not believe something because you only saw it on TV?



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 03:22 PM
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Hi everyone

I just noticed, the guys on this board who believe the OS are the same ones who are fear-mongering about going to the 'crash-site' - who could have guessed


To the OP, great idea, especially starting as wide as possible and working inwards - even if it's only you that believes there is still evidence to be recovered then it's worth trying


Peace



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