Originally posted by Joecroft
Yes you are right it does not bring about the experience but it can help to lead someone to it, providing they don’t just stay put but instead
continue to seek.
Yet the desire itself was existing before that. As such, how can we credit the religion with it? It was the desire that first lead them to
religion to begin with. If they had no desire for it, then they wouldn't be in a religion outside you know people who are born into it and so
And how many do go further? Not many. Most do stay put. If we had a drain that water went down, if 90% of the drain is blocked by something that
prevents all the water going down the drain(and the water wants to eventually do such) - do we increase that which is blocking it, or is better off
This is what Jesus was talkign about in terms that the Pharisees would block out the kingdom of heaven to people and deny them to enter. That is
what religion is doing in most cases.
How can you seek out something, you don’t believe exists!? (Rhetorical question…)
I know you asked rhetorically, but it's actually a very very good question that has a very very good answer.
I wasn't seeking "god" when I found the father. I didn't believe god existed or anything else. I was only seeking understanding. I was
seeking the way in which men would need to act in order to have a peaceful society and things of that nature. I looked at the evil in the world,
and I wondered why is it like this, why does it need to be like this and so forth.
And I didn't even realize it at the time, but I was literally searching for the "truth, the way, and a light to direct me".
A Christian will say that only by Jesus can one come by the father, but I see it as only by the truth, the way and the light can one come by the
The reason one needs to become as a child is to get rid of all those beliefs. A child is honest in it's ignorance and doesn't pretend to
The only wild card here is none of us can judge the extent to which the father will go to show people, or how the events in someone's lives will
eventually lead them to such. Even as I was once an atheist before, that didn't stop events that happened after. And it was the events in my
life, and what I seen in the world that eventually lead me correctly - along with my honesty in my search - I had no biases/beliefs.
I just wanted to know and understand the truth, whatever it may have been. Which is again what blew me away about Jesus when I read him after -
because I seen it repeated.
[edit on 2/26/2010 by badmedia]