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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:21 AM
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I've been wondering how do you know whether you and another is a beginner soul or an advanced soul? What are the distinguishing characteristics?

Once you know where you are at terms of your spiritual evolution, how do you proceed from there?




posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:24 AM
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You know - I found this on GLP, and it was very interesting to say the least:


* If you're reading this, you're probably an Old Soul. Infant Souls are in jail for being serial killers; Baby Souls are busy attending Bible class or Ku Klux Klan rallies; Young Souls are off chasing the Almighty Dollar so they can park a shiny new BMW in their driveway for all the neighbors to see; and Mature Souls are flitting between their shrinks and the Betty Ford clinic. Only Old Souls sense that there's more to life, and are trying to figure it out so that they can get off the incarnation carousel. However, as the chart shows, we're in the minority.
* So, Old Soul, you live on a planet where the average soul age is late Young … and can't you tell? You know about living by the Golden Rule and honoring the Four Agreements, and you smile at the games played by the younger soul ages, for you were there once. You know that it's all Maya, or illusion, so you march to your own drum, rarely getting steamed up about causes. You are good at almost anything you do but may choose to do nothing, which, by the way, really puzzles the younger soul ages. And our work and hobbies are usually oriented to personal growth, teaching, writing or bringing beauty of some sort into the world.
* Rigid schedules, a classy house or a new car are low on our list, even though we could have them because we know the secret-using the laws of creation, programming the M-field, etc., rather than plain, hard work.
* The problem is that, in a Young Soul world, we're not appreciated because the younger souls don't understand who we are or what we have. Oh, we "get" them fully, of course ("been there, done that"), but they don't get us. So, when we judge ourselves by Yuppie values, we fall short. We don't fit the Madison Avenue image of success, so beating ourselves up comes easily. In fact, low self-esteem is a major Old Soul problem because we've lost the brashness and arrogance of the earlier soul ages.
* According to the Michael Entity channeled through Emily Baumbach, Baby Soul organizations include most government agencies, the Ku Klux Klan, the National Rifle Association, and groups such as Rotary Clubs. Most of Corporate America is Young Soul, while ecological groups such as Greenpeace and the Sierra Club are Mature Soul. We Old Souls are just too laid back to even want to organize anything.
* Another reason is that we see the big picture and realize how truly tiny is our role in it. We don't have the Baby Soul's self-importance, the Young Soul's driving ambition to acquire the most toys, or the Mature Soul's fascination with his own dramas. No, we see things as they are, and can't get puffed up with our own self-importance. It's not that we don't care. In fact, we are the most caring soul age, as witnessed by Old Soul peace activists Sting, Jerry Garcia, John Lennon and Yoko Ono.
* For their own purposes, different soul ages favor certain countries. Aboriginal populations tend to be Infant Souls, such as those in Australia, Borneo, Ethiopia, the Amazon Basin, and the Sudan. Baby Souls tend to incarnate in Latin countries such as Argentina, Brazil, Haiti, and Central and South America in general. Baby Souls also predominate in China, India, Indonesia, in Muslim countries such as Iran, Iraq, Libya and much of the Middle East, and in African countries such as Ghana, the Ivory Coast, Liberia and Nigeria.
* Young Souls pop up where science and economies are hot, such as Australia, Canada, some European countries, Hong Kong, Israel, Japan, Mexico, Taiwan, South Korea, and Vietnam, plus progressive Arab states such as Oman and Saudi Arabia. Some areas of the U.S. are comfortable for Young Souls, such as California, especially LA and Silicon Valley, although the rest of the U.S. is shifting from Young to Mature.
* Mature Souls favor countries that have the basics handled and are exploring sociological issues, such as Belgium, Denmark, England, Finland, Greece, Holland, Italy, New Zealand, Norway, Russia, Sweden and most of the United States.
* That leaves few areas that Old Souls enjoy, such as Iceland, Switzerland, and some pockets in the U.S., such as Oregon, Washington and northern California, and in spiritual enclaves such as Santa Fe, Taos, Sedona, Atlanta, the Florida Keys and Boulder, Colorado.
* Our challenge is that we live in a world defined predominantly by Baby, Young, and Mature Souls. Because Baby Souls need rules & regulations, structures, direction, "authorities" and frameworks within which to live, they create them and impose them on everyone. If they think having a nude beach is disgusting and perverted, they figure it should be disgusting and perverted for everyone, so rather than just leave us alone and not go there, they ban it. Or they get the Young Soul lawmakers to ban it, who will because they're sporting the latest Gucci swimwear and don't need a nude beach.
* Likewise, Old Souls see nothing wrong with being gay, but the idea terrifies Baby Souls, who pull out their Bibles and quote scriptures at the poor gays, who just want to be left alone. Their hit list is endless-pot, abortion, euthanasia, smoking. For every freedom, there's a law limiting it, and more laws pour out from the Baby Souls every day. The problem is that Baby Souls are so sure they are right, that they think they're right for us, too.
* It's not easy being a Baby Soul, though. No glorious sex out in the open air; it's in the dark with pajamas on. And if the rulebook doesn't cover a situation, they must find an older soul for guidance. Their greatest constraint comes with religion, as witnessed by Baby Souls Jerry Fallwell, Oral Roberts and Jimmy Swaggart. (According to the Michael entity, Jim and Tammy Fae Bakker are first level Young Souls still operating as Baby Souls.)
* Talking of religion, in Europe about 500 years ago, many of us Old Souls were doing Mature Soul intensity and beginning to question the rigid dogma of the Catholic Church. Or maybe, as an Old Soul woman, you lived alone on the edge of a forest with your cat and studied herbal remedies. Either way, it was enough to have the Baby Soul Church come after you … and Baby Soul Priests threw nine million of us into the "flames of purification" because our souls were apparently in mortal danger of eternal damnation, or so they told us. Or did they just enjoy strip-searching young women and girls, shaving their pubic hair, and looking for the "devil's teat"? Nah, they wouldn't do that. Would they?
* Also, Baby Souls are compulsive about neatness and germs, not realizing that 100 percent of all illness is neurotic (all in the mind) in origin. But they worship doctors as gods, and sacrifice themselves to the medical industry, losing breasts, prostate glands and ovaries to the knife.
* Okay, having pissed off 20 percent of the population, let's turn to Young Souls. Here, the main issues are power, prominence and wealth. Who has the most powerful army, the tallest skyscraper, the biggest diamond, the most gold, the largest oil reserves? And if it's not us, let's go to war so that we can have it. After all, Young Soul Warriors make up the largest population block in the United States (Young = 30% and Warrior = 30%, making for 9%, or 23 million people), exemplified by George W. Bush, a Young Warrior (with Goal = Dominance, Mode = Perseverance, Challenge = Arrogance). Perfect presidential material!
* The Young Soul credo of "I win, you lose" has brought us the adversarial legal system, dreadful pollution, gas-guzzling SUVs, and a business management system corrupted into a money-making machine for the few. Talking of corruption, classic Young Souls Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos, late of the Philippines, siphoned billions out of their country, while most of their subjects lived in squalor and poverty.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:25 AM
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* But again, it's not easy being a Young Soul. They are compulsive about appearances and the trappings of success, so they work long hours to buy the biggest, the best, the fastest, and the most. Also, a strong identification with the physical body brings terror at the first wrinkle or gray hair. Sagging breasts, balding or crows feet are all alarms that send Young Souls to cosmetic surgeons, also Young Souls with a taste for SUVs and BMWs. And the beat goes on.
* We have much to thank Mature Souls for. Finally, souls can see and appreciate others' points of view, and don't see others as "the enemy." They bring mature themes in music (Paul McCartney, Janis Joplin, Bruce Springsteen and Madonna), in art (Vincent van Gogh and Paul Gauguin) and in literature (J.D. Salinger and Truman Capote). They also bring us crusaders such as Ralph Nader and Gloria Steinem, not to mention passionate actors such as Elizabeth Taylor, Richard Burton, Kevin Costner, Russel Crowe, and Robert DiNero.
* Most notably, Mature Souls are into "rights"-civil rights, gay rights, immigrants' rights, unborn children's rights, animal rights and the rights of any minority without a voice.
* But now the nagging questions of "Who am I?" and "Why am I here?" begin to plague the Mature Soul, who doesn't yet have the Old Soul's answers. This brings emotional angst, confusion and pain, which in turn leads to drugs, alcohol and suicide. Sean Penn, Robert Downey Jr., and Woody Allen are living examples of Mature Soul angst. And James Dean, Princess Diana, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin and Jim Morrison are examples of Mature Souls who would still be with us if their flight plans hadn't called for an early departure.
* So, here we Old Souls live within Baby Soul rules, Young Soul greed and competitiveness, and Mature Soul angst, but at least we know what's going on and can make adjustments and allowances for the younger souls.
* Now, let's turn the tables. What if we were in charge? What would the world look like if Old Souls ran it? Actually, we wouldn't run it; it would run itself once Old Souls predominate in the population. Normally getting there would take about 50 generations, or 1,500 years, but we don't have that long, for as you'll read in Chapter 12, something will happen in 2012 that will catapult us into that future, ready or not. And the next chapter explores what that society will look like.


According to this, I'm an old(er) soul. I really thought was a baby soul. I definitely don't feel like an older soul haha. Whatever...



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:29 AM
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I found the links to where that all came from. Haven't checked it out yet, but I will. Here ya go:

www.michaelteachings.com...

www.michaelteachings.com...

www.michaelteachings.com...

www.michaelteachings.com...




posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:34 AM
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I was kinda thinking along those lines as I read the question impaired


So according to that i'm an old soul, I kinda thought I would be!



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by valiant
I was kinda thinking along those lines as I read the question impaired


So according to that i'm an old soul, I kinda thought I would be!

Yeah, a lot of what is said about being an old soul were dead ringers for me. But like I said, I just can't believe it. I have no memories of past lives, and this life I'm living now is/was a trainwreck!
If I'm an old soul, then I'm a dummy as well!

But yeah, this is some good info. The four links that I put up there go even more in-depth.

I like where it said somewhere that no souls are better than others. They all come from the same place.

Good stuff!



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:44 AM
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I lied. According to that info I'm a mature soul - not an old soul.

Depression, introspective, problems adjusting, etc.

Now I will chill with posting. I don't want to flood this thread with my rambling.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:48 AM
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Oh I must have got it wrong aswell
mature fits me better! I don't feel as smug now


(edit)

Actually i'm kinda inbetween!



[edit on 2-1-2010 by valiant]



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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By the GLP criteria I'm friggin' ancient but a really drunk soul. That stuff seems like something to lure unsuspecting souls into a cult that wish to believe they possess the wisdom of many lives.

More honestly, I haven't a clue. Could be young but a quick study. I'm pretty sure it's not my first go. Got killed by some krauts on an artifact retrieval mission in WWII, shot right in the belly by machine gun fire. Yeah, it hurt like a gutfull of fire. Good thing it didn't take long to die. It seems I might have flubbed my mission on purpose because killing wasn't my thing and I wasn't to be compelled to do it. If you don't know what it's like to load up someone with lead or slit their throat, you aren't missing anything. Peace is the way.

Hmmm...seems my thoughts drifted a bit.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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I wouldn't classify the difference as being "beginner" vs "advanced"... "young" vs "old" is a much better way to put it.

We were all young souls at one point, trying to learn the best way to cope with and live in physicality. The more time we spend on earth, the better we get at living ethical lives that express the laws of the universe.

Nobody advances at the same pace, however that doesn't mean anyone is "better" than anyone else. Think of human children vs adults; adults are older, more experienced, and prefer to spend their time acquiring advanced knowledge and fufilling meaningful tasks. Children are young and pure- they may not seek the wisdom as adults do, and are more prone to immaturity and childlike behavior, but that doesn't mean that they are evil or have bad intentions. They are simply young souls playing with physicality, much like a child plays around with their new environments.

How to tell old ones from young ones?

I'm pretty sure anyone reading this post with an intent to gain knowledge from it is a more experienced soul- younger ones wouldn't care or would shrug it off as nonsense.

The best way to tell older souls from younger ones is the role their ego plays in their life. The more its about them, and not others, the younger they are. The more their actions reflect the benefit of others and the common good, the more experienced they are.

I don't think that knowing how "advanced" you are should have any impact on your decisions and course of action. Everyone should be looking to connect with their inner selves, and to help others on the path to light.

Chances are, you laid out a bunch of goals to accomplish in this life, and whether or not you realize it or not, you are well on your path to accomplishing them.

Listen to your conscious! It is your connection to your true reality, and gives you right indications on which paths to choose.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:52 AM
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Awesome Impaired. It's so funny when you read this and realise exactly what you are, as I did. It almost brought a tear to my eye!

thanks bro.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:52 AM
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If you observe babies who are old enough to give eye contact and smiles, you can often observe who has been here before - I think I can anyway.

And even if you observe adults, you can sometimes tell - for example, my older brother was a much newer soul than I am.

I was told by a fortune teller (I know, I was young and stupid) that I am an old soul. Maybe I have to keep going around and around until I get it right.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:55 AM
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S&F friend. Great question. It is a phrase that we often, but it's never described in much detail.

I think Impaired's reply really hit the nail on the head. It's frustrating for some souls to see the World the way it is for sure. If only we could change everyone overnight.




posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by grantbeed
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Awesome Impaired. It's so funny when you read this and realise exactly what you are, as I did. It almost brought a tear to my eye!

thanks bro.


It ain't nothing, dude.


This is the best read I've had in a long time. I'm just reading those links I put up before.

Here's the main site:

www.michaelteachings.com...

Very provocative stuff!



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 01:02 AM
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I don;t know how much I buy in to this stuff, hover I have gotten intuitive feelings that make me feel like I've been here before. I've also been told I act like an old person some times.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 01:03 AM
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depends.. coz i aint got one so i wouldnt know.

unless your into that biblica crap. you know spirtis souls blah blah next life after life

I wanna know what happend to people giving a # about this one?

Or is being here some how out of fasion now? i mean by all accounts why on earth be here?? if its so crap and so lame WHY ARE WE HERE

i got a great idea...

man1: Hey guys
Gorup of idiots: yea?
man1: I got a great idea,,
Group of idiots: whats that!!!
man1: We are all souls ok? and we like pass on!!!!! and there is life after...
man in the group of idiots: So does that mean we can leave this life for...
man1: Yeaaaa!!!
man in the group of idiots: LETS ALL JUMP OFF A CLIFF!!!


see how logic dont work there?

soul? wtf IS a soul please? the only reason you know what "one is" is because some other "ididot" told you?

peas are worth as much as gold.. coz i said so?

what happend to crital thinking?

beginner and advanced souls LOL

and i got my thread removed for saying i was an alien.. right now i feel like one i tell ya..



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 01:04 AM
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Thanks for links. Away to start reading now.




posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 01:07 AM
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yeah you and me both..

lol "buy" into it i liked that.. kinda like you know "buying" into the fact you need money

boy oh boy.. the NWO sure did work its magic on some of you guys..

Just out of reason do any of you ever watch nature? and ever think why they dont have god? or why they dont have money?

Im just asking like...



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 01:12 AM
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I don't think an "old soul" is as motivated to do some of the silly things that a "young soul"is. A "young soul"is more motivated to live their life to the "fullest." An "old soul" only wonders, "God, when in the hell am I gonna get out of this cycle!!"
I'm kidding, but not really.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 01:13 AM
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No you kinda put that very well actually





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