ATTENTION Patriots / Birthers / Teabaggers / Whomever - If you did get your Revolution, Then What?

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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:00 AM
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reply to post by OldDragger
 


I fail to see how returning to the rule of a Constitutional Republic is anything close to tyranny or dictatorship. If that is your idea of such, I shutter to think what you would refer to today's rule as.

People like you need to get over the fact that this is not about your petty political views or left-winged right-winged distraction. It has nothing to do with a Democrat in office, much like it would have nothing to do if the same thing were occurring with a Republican in office.

Too many people are looking for some kind of plan but what more are you looking for? The plan is already here. Lucky for us, a group of guys back in the 1700's already happened to formulate that plan for us. True, times have changed and some things need to be taken into account for such, however, there is no reason to have some kind of elaborate restructuring of our system. Who are we to say that anything we create will be better than what they have created, a group of men not blinded by corruption, mass media, reality television, corporate greed, and government indoctrination.

No, the psychos are the ones that will sit back and actually believe that this is the way things are to be, that this is the way this country was supposed to turn out. Those who have already given up without a whimper - those are the ones who are crazy - not those willing to die to defend it, the same breed of people that died to create this nation in the first place.


So please, instead of trying to tell us revolutionaries that we are not prepared, or that we are lunatics, look in the mirror. The Constitution is in front of us for a reason, to use it, to ENFORCE it, and if it would have been enforced how it was supposed to be, we wouldn't be in the predicament today.


So any patriot out there who seeks to fundamentally transform our nation away from its founding beliefs, or feels that more bans and restrictions based on discrimination or stereotyping need to be put in place - they you are not a patriot, and you do not support this Constitution.


Anyone who is truly fighting for the best knows that the end goal is to reinstate the plan that is already openly available to us - the Constitution of the United States of America.




posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:06 AM
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1. Remove all lawyers from politics
2. Make it mandatory to vote.
3. Make it mandatory to join military for one year immediately after highschool. If you drop out of high school at fifteen you join the army till nineteen.
4. Mandatory to know how to handle/fire military individual weapon.
5. eliminate lobbist and pac
6. flat tax
7. cut federal budget by 75%
8. overhaul public school system by getting federal gov out.
9. Secure border, and illegals return home.
10. eliminate federal reserve
11. get rid of CIA, BATFE, FTC, EPA, and as many alphabet soup agencies as possible.
12. build nuclear energy reactors.
13. foreign policy strengthen with Russia, China, India, Israel.
14. no bills in congress unless submitted by state legislture.
15. Return to original constitution
16. Set quotas on immigrants.
17. Stop abortion and increase adoption for free.
18. majority rules.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by fmcanarney
1. Remove all lawyers from politics
2. Make it mandatory to vote.
3. Make it mandatory to join military for one year immediately after highschool. If you drop out of high school at fifteen you join the army till nineteen.
4. Mandatory to know how to handle/fire military individual weapon.
5. eliminate lobbist and pac
6. flat tax
7. cut federal budget by 75%
8. overhaul public school system by getting federal gov out.
9. Secure border, and illegals return home.
10. eliminate federal reserve
11. get rid of CIA, BATFE, FTC, EPA, and as many alphabet soup agencies as possible.
12. build nuclear energy reactors.
13. foreign policy strengthen with Russia, China, India, Israel.
14. no bills in congress unless submitted by state legislture.
15. Return to original constitution
16. Set quotas on immigrants.
17. Stop abortion and increase adoption for free.
18. majority rules.



You have "Return to original constitution" as number 15 when it should be number one. Not only that, but many of your suggestions interfere with the Constitution.

Seriously, people need to start taking personal beliefs out of their so called agendas as this isn't about you. You aren't here to make choices FOR people, you are here to protect them and allow them to make their own choices, and face their own consequences. Mandatory military joining? Forced ban on abortion? What ever happened to freedom?



Seriously, the main difference between most of these plans is the fact that while the founding fathers were able to keep personal discretion out of politics, it seems that most people can't get by without trying to enforce their opinions and choices onto other people. Is that what FREEDOM is to some of you?



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by fmcanarney
1. Remove all lawyers from politics

So lawyers have no right to enter politics? Who else will you bar from public office?


2. Make it mandatory to vote.

So you want to know who people vote for...


3. Make it mandatory to join military for one year immediately after highschool.

So you remove another right people have...


4. Mandatory to know how to handle/fire military individual weapon.

So again you force people to do something they may not want to do...


11. get rid of CIA, BATFE, FTC, EPA, and as many alphabet soup agencies as possible.

So who does their job?


14. no bills in congress unless submitted by state legislture.

So you remove the rights of our representatives...


15. Return to original constitution

So you want to remove peoples guns, allow slavery, remove the vote from women, right to a fair and speedy public trial etc etc.


17. Stop abortion

So you want to push your religous views on others, and interfere in peoples private rights...



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[edit on 2/1/10 by dereks]



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:40 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:43 AM
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Amazing aint it?

When you get down to asking them what they want, you find out it has nothing to do with upholding constitutional rights or even government spending. its really about pushing personal cultural and religious agendas, at the expense of the people.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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Then the personal attackers ie: you come out in full force.

The whole point is when the average American's life quality is reduced to a level that is unsatisfactory to Americans thats when it will begin.

I'll tell you what you do with the people that don't agree....NOTHING. They don't have to agree...under the constitution they have free speech.

If you don't agree with what America stands for move to Europe or where ever you Socialist heart desires.

I've been to several tea party events and I have yet to meet these extreme people some here seem to think attend these things. Most of them just wanted to express their concern for their children's future.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 03:46 AM
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Are you calling for an armed revolution SG.

Or are you trying to get someone to say it?



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 03:46 AM
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I'll bite..I don't know why but I will...

Several folks on here have mentioned upholding the constitution in this post. You are choosing to ignore those replys and focus on the few that may have an extreme point of view.

You sir are no different then the MSM who goes to a Tea Party event and seeks out the craziest one of the bunch ignoring the hundreds of average Americans to discredit the movement.


This is what a post Revolution USA would look like to me...

TERM LIMITS
Ending the FED
Bringing our troops home from everywhere
Securing the borders
Tax Cuts for Businesses
No cap and trade
No lobbyist/special interest groups
No Government funded Healthcare
Glass-steagal reinvoked
Flat tax
Ending NAFTA
Proper 9/11 Investigation (this would help justify the Revolution when the Gov't involvement is disclosed)

Our current Government has a disease and it will do anything to hold on to its power. We must unite and do what is right for the future generations of this Country. Peaceful revolution is what I'm praying for but I don't think DC is going to go quietly.

All of the good ment who have laid down their life so I may live mine in freedom. That is not something I take lightly and I will do the same for future generations if destiny calls....



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 04:06 AM
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That is why I asked SG the question.

I believe SG is trying to get someone to actually call for an armed revolution so that he/she can turn them in.

That is what people that still believe in the left/right dem/repub form of corrupted government do, they try to instill actions that they can use against others.

It is an actual CoIntelPro tactic. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro. Go SG. Go CoIntelPro.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by peponastick
You sir are no different then the MSM who goes to a Tea Party event and seeks out the craziest one of the bunch


Ah yes, when we reveal the hypocrites, we turn to blaming the media and the great conspiracy of disinformation. Obviously though, by mainstream media we are not talking about the largest media outlet, Fox news.


This is what a post Revolution USA would look like to me...
TERM LIMITS


Sitting senators reserve the constitutional rights to serve as many terms as they wish, provided they are voted in every term. This is not a constitutional matter, its a personal issue that you would have ammended into the constitution. So this is a matter of you contacting your congressman.


Ending the FED


The Federal reserve was ammended into the constitution as reserved by congress. Im no fan of the Federal reserve, but its addition to the government in the early 20th century was followed by the constitutional steps. In addition to this the idea of ending the Fed to solve our woes is far fetched in my opinion. Its a spec of the problem.


Bringing our troops home from everywhere


Agreed. We have over 800,000 troops based abroad. We have to begin their withdrawal. We are not the police of the world.... but with many tea party patriots being religious and pro-Israel, how do you hope to achieve this??


Securing the borders

Agreed.


Tax Cuts for Businesses


Businesses have been getting tax cuts for the last century ever since it became fashion. Also, I dont understand how this is a constitutional issue. Seems to me as though this would be an issue for you to elected the candidate to do this, not wave an armed revolution.


No lobbyist/special interest groups

The last time any real reform was done to lobbying in DC, guess who prevented it from happening? Rightwing groups such as the NRA came out and cried about their rights to petition and the rights of corporations to do exactly that.

So really, I think you have to talk to your tea party leaders about why they have prevented lobbying reform in DC.... or why they continue to tolerate these people sponsoring them?



No Government funded Healthcare


Thats your political issue. I dont see it as a constitutional "outrage" and one for an armed revolution. The US is 38th in healthcare, and the only developed nation without some public assisted system of healthcare. Americans also spend the most on healthcare in the western world.

As another note, there is already government funded healthcare and it has been around for decades. Medicare and Medicaid are government run healthcare systems. In addition to that, you conservative politicians continue to use their own direct government funded healthcare. It was really something to hear of the tea party patriot woman argue that government run healthcare was "bad for america" and then followed that by warning the government "to keep out of her medicare". Its also funny to get the rightwing politicians to argue against government healthcare while continuing to use it themselves.

Theres nothing there really to me that strikes me as unconstitutional and "reason enough for an armed revolution". Its just more personal issues and ideologicals views from you folks and to be frank thats not my issue. You have the end of 2010 and 2012 to have your turn to vote again.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 05:50 AM
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If the plane is in trouble, you don’t shoot the pilot, you grab a parachute and jump.

To overthrow the hierarchy is pointless; we just want to leave it behind. As everyone knows (especially revolutionaries), hierarchy maintains formidable defenses against attack from the lower orders. It has none, however, against abandonment. This is in part because it can imagine revolution, but it can’t imagine abandonment. But even if it could imagine abandonment, it couldn’t defend against it, because abandonment isn’t an attack, it’s just a discontinuance of support.


Beyond Civilization



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 06:02 AM
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Do you always go poking sticks into hornets nests? This is one ugly group of mal-contents to bother. Leave them alone. They are quiet.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 06:04 AM
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Whats funny is, you don't have to rely on these guys to know what would happen if they got their revolution, all you would have to do is read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich to figure it out. Because that is exactly what would happen and what these revolutionaries really want.

So, if they get their revolution, well, just know that the ethnic cleansing won't be far behind.

It will start off innocently enough with loads of patriotic nationalism. Then the English only laws, followed by the Christian only laws, then people would be rounded up for "re education" then, well, I don't know if it would be the gas chambers or firing squads, but the point would be the "trouble" would be eradicated from the "perfect society" and the pure "American Master Race" would assume it's proper roll as rulers of the Earth.

So if these "Revolutionaries" decide to start their own little WWIII ill see you in Canada. Cause I for one am not going to go to a gas chamber thanks to someone who wants to shove their version of "freedom" & the "American Way" down my throat.



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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 06:19 AM
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I went to our local teaparty. Bluejeans and my red white and blue flag halter top. I looked exactly like the natural born, patriotic defender of the constitution I am. On one side of my sign it said I NEED HEALTH CARE! The other side said AMERICA - LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

These civil people were yelling "f you" to me and "GET A JOB".
I hollered back I have a job.
It didn't matter they were chanting by now and it was sort of a mob mentality. I left before it got too dark and the ghouls with speakers came out shouting for a revolution.
As I was leaving and after it had gone on for a few hours I saw a group of what looked like professional activists arrive jumping out of vans, mega phones in hand and setting up soap box stations on the street corners to stir up the already angry crowd.

This is what I imagine a KKK meeting looks like. I am being only slightly dramatic when I say I was lucky to make it out of there alive.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 06:36 AM
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I'm just trying to provoke some thought.
Besides if you don't stir the pot, you don't know what's in the stew.
Cyanide and Amaretto both smell like almonds.

Nice to meet you, and thanks for posting.

Ziggy



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by ziggystrange
 


I went to our local teaparty. Bluejeans and my red white and blue flag halter top. I looked exactly like the natural born, patriotic defender of the constitution I am. On one side of my sign it said I NEED HEALTH CARE! The other side said AMERICA - LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

These civil people were yelling "f you" to me and "GET A JOB".
I hollered back I have a job.
It didn't matter they were chanting by now and it was sort of a mob mentality. I left before it got too dark and the ghouls with speakers came out shouting for a revolution.
As I was leaving and after it had gone on for a few hours I saw a group of what looked like professional activists arrive jumping out of vans, mega phones in hand and setting up soap box stations on the street corners to stir up the already angry crowd.

This is what I imagine a KKK meeting looks like. I am being only slightly dramatic when I say I was lucky to make it out of there alive.


So it would be safe to assume you concluded that the Tea Party was not really what it purported to be, at least from your perspective.

This thread is an opportunity for people to show their true nature because it gets to the point.

What exactly is it these people want to do?

What you characterized was a riotous mob, more than a legal assembly.
And you were wearing all the right colors and regalia but you had the magic words "Health Care" on your T-shirt. You became the enemy.

I bet going to that Tea Party was an eye opener.

Ziggy



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by whatukno
Whats funny is, you don't have to rely on these guys to know what would happen if they got their revolution, all you would have to do is read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich to figure it out. Because that is exactly what would happen and what these revolutionaries really want.

So, if they get their revolution, well, just know that the ethnic cleansing won't be far behind.

It will start off innocently enough with loads of patriotic nationalism. Then the English only laws, followed by the Christian only laws, then people would be rounded up for "re education" then, well, I don't know if it would be the gas chambers or firing squads, but the point would be the "trouble" would be eradicated from the "perfect society" and the pure "American Master Race" would assume it's proper roll as rulers of the Earth.

So if these "Revolutionaries" decide to start their own little WWIII ill see you in Canada. Cause I for one am not going to go to a gas chamber thanks to someone who wants to shove their version of "freedom" & the "American Way" down my throat.



[edit on 1/2/2010 by whatukno]


If you are right, then we should do everything we can as Americans to stop them.

I would have to agree with a lot of what you say at this point.

It seems to me that so far, there has been little constructive suggestions, no plan, and little or no unity of purpose among the posters who want a revolt save for them wanting to shove "their personal ideology" down our collective throats.

I'm a little disappointed, I thought some of the people invited to post would have given a better "accounting", but no cigar so far.

My leaning is clear from my postings. I'm not let's say popular with the Patriots, Birthers, conservatives, etc..

I'm just inviting people to decouple their ideology from topical commentary on threads about other things, and lay out their proposal in a coherent fashion.

If it's the way you paint it, we may well wind up swigging wine in Canada together if there is a revolution, but first they have to have one and prevail.

Before they prevail they have to be organized and have a purpose. Evidently, this is not about to happen, the method is opportunistic hate mongering, and sour grapes, and the purpose appears to be totalitarian rule by an angry mob of reactionary isolationists.

It would appear that what the posters want is a White Christian Totalitarian Secular Non representative Government, where the only people with rights are members of their respective sub-parties.

Some would re-write the Constitution, others would reinterpret it, some would strip the amendments, others would just burn it and sit on their 40 acres with a machine gun pointed at their property line.

I don't think this is the America most Americans envision.
I don't believe there will be a revolt of any consequence and if there was, there are not enough Americans that would support the previous paragraph.

If we take that pill we deserve the consequences.

So far as imperfect as it is, what we have, sounds better than what has been proposed here under the guise of freedom.

But the thread has not been closed yet, so there is time for legitimate Patriotic dissenters to come out and lay out their vision of the New U.S. of A.

So again I ask that the Patriots, Teabaggers, Birthers,
and Conservatives, whomever wants to oust the GOV and start over to get on the Bully Pulpit and convince undecided Americans to follow their lead.

I think some people are afraid to post in this thread. If they are too timid to post it, they sure as hell are not going to do anything dangerous, like actually mounting an insurrection.

If it's all kbd warrior grandstanding, it's just mental masturbation.

Ziggy



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 07:58 AM
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It would be interesting to see what sort of system would be created if there was another revolution in America. I believe the bankers would be the Mary Antoinette's of modern society and the main driver for any real revolution would have to be hyperinflation caused by printing money or some other kind of debt induced economic colapse. In any case I imagine things would have to get much worse than they are before any action is taken. Loss of freedoms alone won't cause a revolution.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:27 AM
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id re-implement the polices of george washington... id bring all our troops home, our dependence on foriegn oil would end, our monetary system would go back to the gold standard and the central bank would cease to exist...





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