Originally posted by Gregarious
[I am somehow a racist for being against a black criminal.

So what crime has he been found guilty of? (apart from being black, of course) Here we see what sort or revolution they actually want, no need for courts to decide someone is a criminal, just lynch them!

Also he is not a muslim nor a Kenyan, but do not let the facts stop your racist rant!

[edit on 1/1/10 by dereks]

In a lot of ways this whole movement reminds me of a rehash of the alleged "Prescott Bush Conspiracy" just taken from a different way.

It is being run and funded by the same wealthy corrupt politicians that it professes to be against while touting all manner of propaganda that from an outside perspective can only be seen as a militant attempt at a power grab.

If only things like the billions being spent would go into things like education, infrastructure etc. that has been mentioned previously in this thread. History says otherwise: The same people leading, and corporations funding the movement are deep investors in the military-industrial complex and is a significant portion of the lobbyists.

The technique is a masterstroke example of what the right wing does best.
Control definitions, paint opponents as the things they do so as to avoid being called it themselves. Using reigns of religion to guide the rage of the faithful etc. etc..

If only it were guaranteed that it would somehow not result in something other than a permanent right wing Ogliarchy with an army of fanatics.

Just a reminder.

The idea here is to give, Birthers, Patriots, Conservatives, whomever an opportunity to articulate their ideas on changes and what they would see as the new USA, how they would go about doing it, and how we sell it to our allies.

Please try to stay on topic, I'm sure the right wing/conservatives etc.. have no problem debating their proposed changes.

Try not to get into the Obama did this, Bush did that sand trap.

Let's air out the plans and discuss if they make sense or not.

Thanks for posting

Ziggy

Originally posted by kosmicjack
We need "something" but I'm not sure it's all out revolution.

Too many people would flip out when the Wal Mart closes and their cable goes out. Plus no more pizza delivery.

Everyone seems to have complaints but no solutions. I think it will take another generation...

[edit on 1/1/2010 by kosmicjack]

Hi KJ,

I have to agree. So far there is a lot of bickering but few plans.
I'm hoping some will step up and post something we can then look at.

At the end of the day, if the plan is not viable, then it would make things worse.

So far I see no solutions or how to accomplish, just I demand this, and I hate that.

If it's everybody has a different plan, and there is no consensus the result is chaos and disintegration.

This is what happens in Banana Republics, after a revolt, it's free for all and a further breakdown into warring factions.

If it's all about how much some people dislike the POTUS, then this is not a popular movement, it's just sour grapes.

We will see.

Nice to meet you and thanks for posting
Ziggy

Originally posted by ziggystrange
I have read countless calls to action here at ATS where Patriots , Birthers, TeaBaggers, and other are calling for an armed insurrection.

Here is your chance to put forth some of those great ideas you have for what this country really needs, and how you would go about accomplishing this.

Let's hear some real policy changes you would make, who would run the country and how exactly would our new Nation go about selling this to our allies.

Please, if you will, try to be serious.

Don't post jokes, I really want to hear a rational plan from these groups. Who knows, I may become one of you.

The floor is yours.

[edit on 1-1-2010 by ziggystrange]

You start with the 2010 ELECTIONS! If the WE THE PEOPLE fail here, then our worst nightmare will happen on it's own.

Why, because the corrupt polititions if by chance they remain in office will continue to play in the circus act they now call our House and Senate.
The people will not put up with any more crap. They are ready now and all that needs to happen is someone to let something of importance slip, again.

IF THIS HAPPENS YOU WILL HAVE WAR ON US SOIL! ONE THAT IS UNIMANGINABLE!! There are 350+million in this country, do the math.

If We the People deserve another chance and we are blessed by GOD, then we will have our victory in the polls and the ones that will replace the corrupt will listen.

1. Term limits!
2. No lobbyists!
3. Freaking Respect for our VETERANS AND OUR FALLEN!!
4. No Lobbyists!
5. Age limits to serve.
6. Prior Executive or Military Experience required!
7. Every bill read page to page on c-span, live! before signed
8. Extreme border security!
9. Extreme Immigration Reform! No amnesty for those who are here now.
10. No more Chinese # in my country! We make it ourselves and we take care of our own first! then we buy chinese #.
11. Jail the Clintons, both of them. They are mostly responsible for most of this mess.
12. Jail Obama and his handlers for treason. In time of War!
13. The FED, IRS, and U.S. treasury, delete and start over. A flat tax would pay for everything this gov't could ever dream of spending. Even at their current rate.

Well, I have a plan. That plan is simple on paper but very difficult to be carried out by those who are unwilling to make a commitment.

First of all a Republic, as we are stated by our Constitution, is a form of government based on law, the law being the Constitution itself. While some of the later amendments will certainly have to be revised to return from the corrupted state we have entered, the Constitution is the supreme law for a reason, and should the articles be ENFORCED, then there shall be no need for any disagreement.

First of all, in terms of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion - they shall give no reason to persecute or discriminate. If you decide to tread upon another persons rights and freedoms you will be punished and prosecuted. The same goes for both sides of the table.

In terms of people who feel their children are being indoctrinated by such things such as "gays" or "religious nuts" then that will be up to the parent to seek another means of education. All school bodies will be required to provide open syllabus and curriculum to parents so that they know what their kids are being taught and they are given the choice of what that might be.



In the terms of Congress, the current administration will be removed from office immediately. For the time, a stand in congress will take control until such time is given that the people are able to properly vote for new candidates. However, this is the portion that NEEDS an amendment immediately. Their must be an amendment added to the Constitution that places a spending cap on all political office elections and makes accepting any form of monetary donations or influence, whether it be as a candidate (on the campaign trail) or as a member of congress (lobbyists), illegal. The exchange of money within Congress or between candidates and outside parties will be strictly prohibited and should this law be violated, the offender will be removed from their position, voided from ever running for public office again, and charged in a criminal court.

Also, the same term limits that apply to President of the United States will apply to all other positions in the political spectrum, from Congress to Supreme Court justices.


As stated by others, income tax must be abolished and a restructuring of of monetary gain by the government body must take place. Seeing as how the government will be severely limited in power compared to now, significantly less monetary funding will be needed.

Foreign policy will be next to non existent as I believe all American troops would be pulled out of foreign bases and brought home. The extend of foreign policy will be in the issue of defending out borders and managing imports and exports. We are not here to be a world police.



Another idea I happen to be fond of was posted by littlebunny in another topic, that was the addition of a fourth branch of government made up of people strictly appointed to watch over the other branches and prosecute for corruption. They will have no legislative power, only the power to assess and prosecute those who are guilty of corruption within the other three branches.






In terms of most other stuff, that is really it. Government is not necessary to regulate our daily lives. Business will go on, people will continue living, and as long as everyone lives within the boundaries of their own rights guaranteed by the Constitution, and does not infringe upon the rights of another, then that will be the Republic that America is supposed to have.



Those are just a few of the things off the top of my head. Many may have been mentioned thought I did not read every post in this topic.



All I can say is that anyone who advocated racism or discrimination and calls themselves a "Patriot" or "Constitutionalist" really needs to take a look at that document you all claim to be defending. The rights guaranteed within are INALIENABLE, which means they apply to everybody, regardless of personal beliefs or differences.

Some people need to get that through their heads if they ever hope for a real revolution.

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE

Jail the Clintons, both of them. They are mostly responsible for most of this mess.
Jail Obama and his handlers for treason.

I think we see what type of revolution you want, one where there is no courts or trial needed to jail someone, just a lynch mob!

No wonder you willl not get anywhere, when it is so obvious what you are for!

14. No lobbyists!
15. No bailouts.
16. No Pelosi's
17. NO deals for bills!
18. No excutive orders sealing anything about personal information about former,present and past presidents. Ever! Obama!
19. RESPECT FOR MY VETERANS AND OUR FALLEN ONES.
20. The right to live your life the way you want too.
21. The right to FREEDOM.
22. The right to be arrested if you break our laws!

23. THE RIGHT TO STAND UP AND CONFRONT AND REMOVE FROM POWER THOSE WHO TRY AND DESTROY OUR CONSTITUTION, INTERFERE WITH THE RIGHTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR EVEN WRINKLE A PAGE WHEN READING IT.

We as Americans cannot sit idle any longer and let these idiots make a mockery of our way of life, our laws, our UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION and THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. If we allow this to happen anymore, they will disapear and your rights to live your life the way you want right along with it.

do away with the corrupt and the liers and the problems will go with them.

I love my country and I always will,

Semper Fi,

Eye of Eagle

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by EYEOFEAGLE

Jail the Clintons, both of them. They are mostly responsible for most of this mess.
Jail Obama and his handlers for treason.

I think we see what type of revolution you want, one where there is no courts or trial needed to jail someone, just a lynch mob!

No wonder you willl not get anywhere, when it is so obvious what you are for!

I would never dream of taking anyones freedom away from them with out a trial, especially if they are innocent. I think we are on the same page except for my in-excusible sarcasim about a few criminals who think they are untouchable. And as for the Chinese comment, well does anyone else make a product that is sold in this country that we can buy? that is a clinton thing.

And as for anyone else who ever questions my patriotism again, know me before you do!!!!!!!!

The 4th Branch of Gov't is GENIOUS!

Semper Fi,

Eye of Eagle

This is not a joke people, your rights are being stripped away from you right before your eyes.

Can anyone define a person who would trust and believe someone that tells them change is coming, wealth we be redistributed, jobs will be invented and transparancy will be everywhere. A person who would willingly give up their rights because they think that they are going to be given something for free or that they think it is going to be taken away from a wealthly person and just handed to them. Can someone please tell me what kind of person this is. These are some of the thoughts of some of the people that voted for your current POTUS. I simply cannot comprehend ones way of thinking this way in this country.

As for myself, I would give everything I have, every penny I have ever made and every dollar I have ever donated to be free, so my family would remain free and at the very end my very life so that my family and others would remain free.


The ideas in this thread need to be heard nd heard by the people, all of the people. We must all come together and act as one so that we may all be heard.

My my.
So many little dictators that know whats right for America.
so many little tyrants that call themselves patriots, yet want to take away your rights by gunpoint.
So many criminals calling themselves revolutionaries.
So many angry kids with no brains wanting to be the next Lee Harvey Oswald.
Happens everytime a Democrat is in office. The psychos come out.