Of Racists and Cultural-Marxists

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posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


The race-issue is an excellent example of the false left/right-dichotomy our world is ruled by.

Racism means to put someone down because of his race. Its causes are fear and hatred. It is an attitude that is fortunately dying out because of our ability to travel and internet-communicate with many different cultures.

However, the inflationary use of the PC "race-card" is created by Cultural-Marxists/Leftists and meant to stifle our appreciation of different races and their individual beauty/uniqueness in order to bring about the bland and totalitarian uniformity that is typical of Marxism.

A Taboo is then imposed on seeing differences and minority groups are projected as pathetically weak victims of "white oppressors" rather than strong and proud members of their culture.

The false Dichotomy ruling the hive-mind is

A) We are different and thats Bad (I am superior to him) = Racism

B) We are all the same / equal = Leftism

The truth lies in neither of those statements but in this:

C) We are different and thats good (Every race has their own unique qualities and strengths)

The folly of Racism is obvious to most people of our modern day and age, but the folly of Cultural-Marxism/Leftism is more subtle, more hidden. In a very strange and distorted sense, it is almost as racist as the other side because it portrays/creates non-white citizens as weak and needy. It also clouds our ability to see-reality-as-it-is.

A more Enlightened view of things would be to appreciate Diversity. And rather than calling it "Stereotyping", to allow one to demand Cooking from the Italian, Music from the Jamaican, Cars from the German, Banking from the Jew, Skyscrapers from the American, Philosophy from the Chinese, Dancing Classes from the Senegalese, Yoga-Classes from the Hindu, Vodka from the Russian, and so forth.

Did I just stereotype? Of course I did, but it was a positive and kind-hearted sort of stereotyping that looks upon the various races with Reverence and Respect at their unique abilities, traditions, cultures and quirks.

The race issue is only one of very, very many issues in which the far-right and the far-left have spread their poisonous crap into millions of minds.

The issue of Women and Feminism would be another example. On the one-side you`d have the chauvinistic mistreatment of women, and then, as a counter-reaction, radical Feminism...where if I hold a door open for a lady because I just feel like being nice to another human being, the PC-Feminist will blast me for "treating her as an inferior". Of Course no such thought crossed my mind, and yet, Feminists run on the Slogan "women are oppressed".

What is typical of Cultural-Marxist-PCness is to take a phenomenon that makes up 1% of society and overblow it as if the majority felt this way. As if the majority were racists, as if the majority looked down on women.

Here`s a video I recently found posted on ATS which shows a leftist-type journalist interviewing a far-right-type. It is unintentionally funny because it shows how both are viewing the world through heavily-filtered-glasses which create their own kind of blindness.



The video itself need not be subject of Discussion in this thread, much more:

Can you tell the difference between what is Racism and what is not?
Can you tell the difference between genuine Anti-Racism and Hidden-Agenda-Driven-Marxism?
Can you see how Diversity can be a cause of Fun, Learning, Growth rather than armed conflict?



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


[edit on 1-1-2010 by Skyfloating]




posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:15 PM
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I feel that this post falls into the modern trap that leftists = communists, an idea spurred by those who wish to see all left wing thought discredited. You initiate the post by saying "excellent example of the false left/right-dichotomy our world is ruled by", yet you repeatedly use the phrase "Cultural-Marxists/Leftists"

Allow me to quote from Naomi Klein's book, No Logo:


Like the sixties counterculture rebels who thought they were shaking the foundations of Western civilization by dropping acid, there were a handful of professors and students of identity politics who believed "great blows are being struck against capitalism in the realms of theory," as critic Gayatri Spivak put it. And Dinesh D'Souza and his ilk couldn't resist calling P.C.ers "neo-Marxists" - but, in fact, nothing could have been further from the truth. The prospect of having to change a few pronouns and getting a handful of minorities on the board and on television posed no real threat to the guiding profit-making principles of Wall Street.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by Someone336
I feel that this post falls into the modern trap that leftists = communists, an idea spurred by those who wish to see all left wing thought discredited. You initiate the post by saying "excellent example of the false left/right-dichotomy our world is ruled by", yet you repeatedly use the phrase "Cultural-Marxists/Leftists"


The OP proposes that the far-left and far-right are real concepts and that they are demonstratably polluting our minds.

I call them false-dichotomy not in the sense that they are illusory but in the sense that neither of them are reliable educators of biasless truth.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:41 PM
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Related Thread Cultural Marxism - The Unspoken New World Order

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Like the sixties counterculture rebels who thought they were shaking the foundations of Western civilization by dropping acid, there were a handful of professors and students of identity politics who believed "great blows are being struck against capitalism in the realms of theory," as critic Gayatri Spivak put it. And Dinesh D'Souza and his ilk couldn't resist calling P.C.ers "neo-Marxists" - but, in fact, nothing could have been further from the truth. The prospect of having to change a few pronouns and getting a handful of minorities on the board and on television posed no real threat to the guiding profit-making principles of Wall Street.



You have no idea what you`re talking about Mrs Klein. Left/Right distortions make up 95% of all political discourse in our day and age.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 06:47 PM
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Communistss have always used Race and Class Struggle to further their revolution.

Wurmbrand quotes Milovan Djilas, the Yugoslav communist leader, who wrote of Marx and his cohorts, "They make a semblance of believing in the ideal of socialism, in a future society without class. In reality, they believe in nothing but organized power."



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:00 PM
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You first say this


Originally posted by Skyfloating
The race-issue is an excellent example of the false left/right-dichotomy our world is ruled by.


Then you contradict yourself by saying this:


the inflationary use of the PC "race-card" is created by Cultural-Marxists/Leftists


and this:


Can you tell the difference between genuine Anti-Racism and Hidden-Agenda-Driven-Marxism?


You seem to be the one buying into this "false left/right-dichotomy" so who are you to talk?

And by way Eugene Terre'Blanche is a racist baffling idiot, and you dont have to be a liberal to agree with that. The man was an outright supporter of the apartheid era, and outright supported stripping the freedoms of fellow black south africans away. He was enough of an racist to claim all of south africa as that of the ownership of whites, and that blacks who were there thousands of years before didnt have any rights.

This journalist was making a fool of the man, and rightfully so. You seem to think the journalist was playing into some left wing conspiracy?? with his portrayal of Eugene Terrablanche?? Eugene Terrablanche is another crazy white supremecist. You dont have to try to portray him as anything as he does it himself.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:08 PM
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I see Left/Right is not seen as illusory but as inedequate - as I already said in the first response. So I am in no way contradicting myself.

The rest of what you write has nothing at all to do with the OP.

[edit on 1-1-2010 by Skyfloating]



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:11 PM
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I'm sorry, I just don't see the relationship between Marxism and Political Correctness. I've read the Communist Manifesto before, and I don't remember a single passage relating to the concepts now known as political correctness. Of course, feel free to post anything from Marx, if I'm wrong.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Someone336
I'm sorry, I just don't see the relationship between Marxism and Political Correctness. I've read the Communist Manifesto before, and I don't remember a single passage relating to the concepts now known as political correctness. Of course, feel free to post anything from Marx, if I'm wrong.



Political Correctness, when abused, stems from the idea of a "minority group" being "victimized" by an "oppressor". This "oppressor" is most often someone rich, succesful or of white skin-colour in neo-marxist Philosophy.

The Basic mindset of Rich-Perpetrator vs Poor-Victim was first widely popularized in our age by Marx and is now continued by the far-left.

It is not as obvious as the Racism of the other side, but it is there.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:24 PM
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Because it was just bumped I am reminded of an older thread where similar was discussed.

[edit on 1-1-2010 by Skyfloating]



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:26 PM
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Oh. I didn't realize that the events that inspired Marx and the original socialists (you know, Industrial Revolution) weren't full of instances of the ruling class oppressing the poor.

I also didn't realize that those coal miners in US history who were radicalized by the writings of Marx and Bakunin weren't living in squalor and working in horrendous conditions.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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reply to post by Someone336
 


My OP talks about modern abuses of the oppressor-victim Model as it applies to racists vs anti-racists, at the expense of a third way of seeing the race-issue.

What is your take on that?



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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My take is that I disagree with political correctness - we can accommodate all people without bending to the whim of one person or another's cultural demands. We are a melting pot, and the way I see it all cultures can co-exist together - and can explore aspects of others culture, but we can't allow one culture to override one another.

Of course, cultures of racism, ignorance and bigotry must go.

I don't see, in any way, shape or form, the relationship between Marxism and Political Correctness, regardless of any overtones relating to "rich-dominating-the-poor." This overtone exists, because, frankly, it's a historically proven fact.



posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 07:58 PM
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nice text,

however RACES DON'T EXIST IN HUMAN KIND...

it is a genetic fact.

we all different and unequal, because of conditions not genes.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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"Races dont exist" is just another way of saying "There are no differences", which is option B of the false dichotomy.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by Someone336
reply to post by Skyfloating
 


Oh. I didn't realize that the events that inspired Marx and the original socialists (you know, Industrial Revolution) weren't full of instances of the ruling class oppressing the poor.

I also didn't realize that those coal miners in US history who were radicalized by the writings of Marx and Bakunin weren't living in squalor and working in horrendous conditions.



The horrors of Marxism come about because it projects these workers as not-responsible for their decisions, as "victims" rather than people who agreed to work in bad conditions.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 03:29 AM
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[edit on 2-1-2010 by Skyfloating]



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 03:41 AM
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Question:

Using the OP as a "Point Zero" so to speak, when is it then correct to protect one's own culture?

If the statement


We are different and thats good


Is to be taken as correct, then when does it become politically incorrect to desire a culture to remain "pure"?

If it is good that we are different, then it would also follow that it is good to keep us different. Is this not a true statement?

Yet when someone speaks out against multicultural relationships, they are immediately deemed as racist. Is this also not true?

**Note: These are just questions and not to be construed as my view in anyway**

Semper



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 04:05 AM
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Wow what a bunch of twisted confusion...

By who's, and what, definition is Louis Theroux a 'leftist' journalist?
I've watched most of his documentaries and I fail to see the connection.

But having said that SO WHAT? You make it sound so like it's an evil thing.

I just fail to understand your definition of left and right. I fail to understand your mind set, it's so full of media hype garbage that doesn't make sense because it's not coming from anything real, just media misused and abused labels.

Where do get the assumption that political correctness is 'left wing'?
And what IS political correctness? The Irony is Liberals invented the term as a self-depreciating pun on their own radicalism, conservatives during Ronny Rayguns dictatorship adopted the term, and out of context applied it to people who supported certain platforms such as abortion rights and environmentalism. The media, and people who like to parrot the media thinking it makes them sound intelligent and 'aware', have twisted the term to the point of making it meaningless. Much like the other political and economic terms you loosely throw around.

[edit on 1/2/2010 by ANOK]



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
"Races dont exist" is just another way of saying "There are no differences", which is option B of the false dichotomy.


Rubbish mika is spot on . Cultural differences are something akin to being very deeply ingrained without being genetic . We are all the same expect for Superficial differences such as eye colour and height . We are born equal but the environment we are born into is the varying factor . A kid born at the same time as me somewhere say in the third world will not have had the benefit of the same environment that I have . The view that differnt races exist leads some people down the road of such things as the Nazi ideology .

As for your definition of Cultural-Marxism that could cover anything from Affirmative Action to the gravy train that Treaty of Waitangi payouts have become . Otherwise your argument could be taken as a bit of a head case because the fact that Kiwis share certain cultural values is left wing . Your argument also contradicts itself leftist can't both think that everybody is the same and then cry foul over the treatment of minority's . You would accuse people of falling into the trap of the left/right paradigm and yet do the very same thing yourself by creating the label of Cultural-Marxist .





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