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Orwell's "Memory Holes" are here... Screenshot & Save your Sources

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posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 10:17 AM
If you need to save a website you encounter, you can use HTTrack.

As for flash drives, they will stop working when you least expect it. Most use multi-level cells(MLC) tech which is cheap and not robust. Even drives with wear leveling technology will wear out, it just takes longer. Use single-level cell(SLC) although it's more expensive, and put your stuff on several high quality but different OEM flash drives at the same time, so that when one fails, you will still have a copy.

The same is true with CD's. Regardless of the hype, ordinary cd-r won't last for many years. If you really want to archive something for a long time, then use recordable CD covered with 24 carat gold or DVD covered with 24 carat gold, as gold doesn't degrade over time.

Generally when it comes to archival, you will find that the medium usually outlasts the reading technology.

There are generally 2 branches you can take. Base your archival system on the integrity of the medium(gold CD's) or redundancy(RAID subsystems). At some point CD's will no longer be readable, not because they failed, but because the CD-ROM drives can no longer be found, or they are not supported by new software, so any archival system should be static and dedicated to archival only.

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 11:31 AM
I've had a suspicion of this for years.

I have all kinds of websites saved as .mht files from my IE browser.

that is the only thing i dont like about mozilla. They save the pages in 2 separate files.

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 12:01 PM

Originally posted by jjjtir
reply to post by bsbray11

This is not good. There is only one company doing this work, WayBack Machine.

Internet Archive is not a company. It's a non-profit organization of philanthropists and visionaries who recognized the fragility of digital media and it's rapid loss as a historic & cultural sin, as future historians looking back would have no preserved examples or means of accessing early internet history. The invention of the Gutenberg Printing Press in Europe helped ignite the Scientific Revolution - and it happened again with the internet. Yet while we have preserved historic artifacts of it's initial printings - papal letters, indulgences, and the Gutenberg Bibles... the reincarnation of that event was being lost to a digital "black hole". Not for any malicious reasons... but Gutenberg printings were preserved as rare novelties accessible to the wealthy and literate. (It was the Indulgences where the press really met the people. Think of them as kind of like Carbon Credits for Sin. God's own absolution, offered for a limited time at a low low introductory price now that "Bulk Rates" were possible.)

This wasn't the case for the early Internet. While internet access was limited to more urban areas, and dial-up was becoming a real option for rural customers - the tech bubble of the 90's saw the price of PC's drop substantially by the end of the decade. They weren't home office machines anymore, but affordable family machines with a literate user base. User Generated content was so plentiful, cheap, and constantly being upgraded and revised to take advantage of newer hardware, faster internet, broader connectivity.

So they liken their project to the new Library of Alexandria - in it's spirit of archiving digital information from all around the globe in chronological layers so that future historians and average Joes could research the texts or just explore what the old new frontier of 1998 was like.. and prevent the burning of the modern Library of Alexandria.

Brewster Kahle had an inspiring and motivational TEDtalk about the project not too long ago.

(Supplimentary: Actually, the situation was somewhat similar. The first major burning occurred on accident as dock fires set to the besieged harbors during Caesar's invasion spread out of control. Mark Antony tried to make restitution for the event by raiding the Pergamon Library and presenting it's collection to Cleopatra as a gift. However, the Romans didn't promote and encourage the acquisition/generation of new knowledge the way Ptolemaic dynasties had. The Library of Alexandria lost more knowledge and prominence as a university due to neglect and decay than likely it ever had to a fire. It was little more than a shadow of it's former glory by the time of Theodosius's persecution of the pagans and the Christian uprising. Some of the texts were ferreted away to other libraries before the Christians burned it, and what fraction remained by 642 fell into the hands of the Islamic invaders who enshrined them in their Mosques where they helped promote the Islamic Golden Age)

Oh, and by the way: This thread reminded me of an old PA comic.

[edit on 1-1-2010 by Lasheic]

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 12:05 PM
Does anyone remember Cspanjunkie? Everyone of his vids were rmoved on purpose. One of the largest collections of fair use collection of vids that everyone referenced and embedded.

Nothing to see here people, move along.

Instituted initially in China, now making rounds here in the US.

The trick they will use here though is the capitalist maneuver. They will make everyone have to pay for the use of any and all information they do not want distributed.

Institute ownership of everything. They have already started. I believe Murdoch has said he does not want Google to be able to link to their info unless they are paid for it. One step at a time people, that is their SOP.

I also believe the Music Industries lawsuits are only the beginning of what we are going to see.

Any online creation that they want to control will be disallowed for distribution, embedding or even referenced.

They actually do not even put it down the hole. Just make us have to pay for it and than begin suing for the shock value of it. Than voila, no more internet for the masses. Of course we will find ways around it, but the normal users will not know.

They could care less about the knowledgeable ones. We just will not be allowed to spread it to the sheeple.

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 12:07 PM
I don't trust and have never trusted any major player and commercial success (like google, youtube, gmail...) - I always keep copies of most valuable videos and articles on my hard drive. I am thinking about recording them into video tapes and discs and printing articles and laminating them - that is coming up very soon.

We live at a time of great struggle - technology is developing very fast and it is used for both - public good and selfish means.

I believe that even though the whole world knows that Bush is involved in 9/11, he will never be prosecuted because he and other controllers of the system are UNTOUCHABLE.

If they will be really threatened, they will press the button and we will be flushed down the toilet in seconds all over the world (nuclear, neutron bombs...).

Thank you for reading.

Happy New LIFE (why just year)

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 12:40 PM
reply to post by bsbray11

"Orwell's memory hole," is not new...

it's even been here at ats and so since years. Try to expose conspiracies about freemasonry in the secret society forum, you will soon see freemason moderators creat "memory holes" with you posts and threads...

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 01:49 PM
I use my blackberry as my primary internet device. I do not enable Java apps without permission.Java can insert trojans and do all kinds of tracking, theft and altering files programs. 1,000 lines of code is a very small file and will download on a slow telephone connection in a second.

PDFs are particularly suseptible to being altered.

I've noticed an increasing number of sites stating "java is not enabled. your experience will be better...blah, blah, blah.

I allowed it on one site and noticed the blue arrows depicting data transfer started going wild and everything slowed to a crawl. Even after I'd exited the browser, data continued to be sent from my phone.

Most personal computers have java enabled. Turn it off and see how man sites ask you to turn it on.

Update your Adobe apps, anti-virus and malware. Even Mozilla has been comprimised. We are being tracked.

The good news is there are many more of us goodguys and the bad guys are losing control.

NSA, CIA, DARPA dickheads, your time is coming to an end.

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 03:06 PM
I just had to S+F this one...Very important stuff at The Memory Hole. In some cases, you can even see where past-documents posted have been altered & edited in more recent times & compare them side-by-side with the differences highlighted, even!

One thing in particular that caught my eye concerns the IRS...Particularly the Mission Statement at the top of page 8. The emphasis in the text is my own doing:

Mission of the Internal Revenue Service
The mission of the Internal Revenue Service is to collect the proper amount of tax revenues at the least cost to the public. To accomplish that mission it strives to encourage and achieve the highest possible degree of voluntary compliance with the tax laws and regulations and to conduct itself so as to warrant the highest degree of public confidence in its integrity, efficiency and fairness.

Well, to me it seems that the "conduct itself so as to warrant the highest degree of public confidence in its integrity, efficiency & fairness" part would count as a failure...creating duress, threats & other forms of illegal coercion in people is a matter of routine to "encourage voluntary compliance."

For one thing, IRS agents have absolutely no jurisdiction to operate within the boundaries of the States...Their jurisdiction is limited to US Districts, Possessions & Territories. Some of these jurisdictions include Washington D.C., State Land granted to the Feds (for military bases, Post Offices, Supreme Courts & Federal Administration Buildings, housing Social Security Offices & the like) & places like Indian Reservations, Guam & Puerto Rico (& other Territories). Yet, people who don't know these limits on jurisdiction regularly "volunteer" unknowingly to let the IRS extend jurisdiction over them...All it takes is any verbal or written document exchanged with the IRS for them to do so. Most people do this unknowingly!

Originally posted by bsbray11
As you've already quoted from this link:

Google has been recruited by US intelligence agencies to help them better process and share information they gather about suspects.

Agencies such as the National Security Agency have bought servers on which Google-supplied search technology is used to process information gathered by networks of spies around the world. ...

This is why I use the Scroogle scraper; even a cursory look around the Scroogle site will explain why I use the scraper...

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 04:23 PM
And the reason that "truthers" are made to look so stupid sometimes.

Our evidence constantly changes, and we are depending upon the people that we are debating(outing) to keep the field level with equally valid information.

Nice find.

[edit on 1-1-2010 by Josephus23]

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 04:45 PM
sorry if someone has already stated this, but the tool used to copy websites automatically is a command line tool, linux and windows, called 'wget'.

This tool is invaluable to caching your own versions of websites, and can easily be automated.

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Chett
reply to post by ofhumandescent

One little EMP and color your flash drives gone. At least if you write to cd it might be recoverable someday.

I'm sure that only if your flash drive is plugged in and powered up at the time of EMP then it will be permanently damaged. An EMP will eventually drain out of a static device and allow it to work again once the residual energy has dissipated.

If a device has no electricity running through it when an EMP occurs, it cannot overload it in such a way as to break it. Usually, EMP energy drains out of a static device in seconds, but can take a few hours and in some rare cases, upto 2 weeks.

Edit to add: But obviously, writing your files to a DVD or BlueRay/HD-DVD would be the best option as stated above.

Magnetic media is a big no-no either way as they can be damaged permanently by EMP or an even weaker magnetic blast/force of some kind. This includes 3.5" standard PC hard drives, 2.5" (laptop size) portable hard drives, and old floppy-type disks.

I use 2 encrypted online storage places and an encrypted portable flash-drive for sensitive/proof material that I find/create, and keep a hard copy (paper) of the real important stuff, hidden away from my house where no-one could possibly find them.

Star & Flag for the OP!

[edit on 1/1/10 by NibiruWarrior]

posted on Jan, 1 2010 @ 08:47 PM
reply to post by bsbray11

Hey all! It's very easy to save the webpage you're viewing. Just click on ctrl + S to save to your hard drive.

And there are free apps out there that can save entire websites.

posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 05:11 AM
A vital thread. Thanks OP. The NWO will seek to rewrite history and if we do one thing for our children's children it will be to preserve genuine facts, no matter how politically incorrect.

posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 10:04 AM
I am pleased to see people taking this seriously.

We are entering an era of wholesale intervention of history. Far be it for us to judge other governments of the same.

posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 10:38 AM
I decided to go and look up and find the original article about the engineers and the coverups and compared it to the thread from 2008.

First off I found the original article here:

As for the article itself and the thread that IvanZana started about it, I noticed that the article's title is different. The article's title is :
Engineers accused of coverups
Group criticized for disaster conclusions.

However the thread's title is misleading and changed:
Engineer Society Accused of 911 Cover-Ups

I dont see how you are unable to find the article since I just typed in the original title of the article (MINUS the 9/11 part) and ended finding it no problem. of course there are slight variations in the title, (except for the addition of the misleading 9/11 part) i found it on msnbc, fox, seattle times. As for the AP, i find that it is a pain in the butt trying to find anything in the archives, much less one article. But I did manage to find the aritcle on other news sites no problem.

FYI, that particular article was about how engineers were hiding design FLAWS in the levees and the WTC buildings. Nothing about any of the out-there 9/11 conspiracy junk. Changing the title of an article to have it appear as something else is misleading and intellectualy dishonest.

posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 08:43 AM
I haven't read the entire thread, so sorry if this has already been covered.

There's a Firefox add on that will keep a copy of a web page locally. The one that I know about is called Zotero. I haven't worked much with it, but know of some folks that love it for writing their papers.

posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 04:44 PM
I found one that is still up. Don't know if it has been confirmed debunked. SOme sources say it was a Delta Flight.

posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 04:49 PM
Try again:

This link is better

posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 04:52 PM
Admirable idea. I think all ATSers should be saving, downloading, capturing web content as an automatic reflex. I tend to with any interesting video anyway because I'm anal about storage and need an excuse for it (10 TB and counting) and I like having access to my tunes in every room.

I've only recently begun capturing screens or pages though. I started after the 'internment specialist' job vacanies at .mil were removed and the American Police Force site went down that first day.

I'm finding 'fireshot' works well for me for screen captures and DownloadHelper although annoying has never failed me yet for video.

S&F my friend, the more of us there are its not just better web coverage but multiple copies in multiple hands convince septics....sorry I mean sceptics

And well said to whoever suggested the faraday cage. A house sized faraday cage, now that's something I wish I had the funds for.

posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 04:53 PM
My whole life is a "memory hole" so it would seem.. Sigh.

The site for American PRIVATE police force is still up. Apparently they had to change the name of the site so as not to infer Government backing of this group:

[edit on 6-1-2010 by AlphaPrime]

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