"New-Agers",Freemasons:Please Read This, page 9

reply to post by On the Edge

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Well, Babylon is a symbol for materialism, as were the World Trade Centers. The only thing positive that can be gleaned from the tragedy of 9/11 is that it was the symbolic crumbling of the materialistic mindset and the renewal of a spiritual one.

Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by On the Edge
I never connected the dream really. I tried to derail war, 'letters to congress, letter to president, letters to ambassadors, protest marches, all the usual'. Got really depressed after invasion happened anyway, no rational sense at all. Seemed to signal new badder era for the world.

Americans sit and discuss 'tribulation' while people all over the world are already experiencing it, mostly from US supplied weapons.

To me,it only makes sense from a biblical/prophetic point of view.

If you believe in God,you can believe it when He says people will reap what they sow!

It may take a while,but count on His final judgement. In the meantime,we can pray for mercy and understanding,and patience!

Our government is highly powered right now by dark forces and show no signs of abating.

Hang on tight!

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by On the Edge

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was the symbolic crumbling of the materialistic mindset and the renewal of a spiritual one.

That's why it is so important for people to be spiritually prepared to deal with what's going on.

All the usual things most people have turned to for continuity and comfort will most likely continue to disappear.

reply to post by prevenge

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I'm curious as to whether you have followed and read through the pages of this thread.

I've listed what I believe and why.

reply to post by On the Edge

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Well, firstly, I don't know of any "new agers" who "worship the sun or earth."

Secondly, most "new agers" believe there is an ultimate God. Now, a true "new ager" will say that we are all a part of it,which a slight glance at
Genesis will show that to be true.

The spirit is made of "breath of life." How did God bring Adam and Eve to life? "He breathed into them."

[edit on 3-1-2010 by SpeakerofTruth]

reply to post by On the Edge

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If we are going to use 'labels' of a 'new ager' I can relate for your point of view...

As far as I know, a place of understanding to start....most 'new agers' dont worship anything. Your ideas they worship the Earth and Sun and Moon or whatever is not something I have experienced amongst other spiritualist.

A spiritualists (new ager) keeps an open mind and gives reverence to all things that they are a part of. The Earth is our mother, they might feel at ONE with the Earth and might pay her much respect by keeping her clean, giving thanks to her for the food she gives us ect....but this is not worship. They might do they same thing with the sun, I take a moment every day to make 'awareness' to the sun for what it is, the life it gives, the warmth I am so thankful for. But still....these things are not God, I dont treat them as if they are The Most High. But they are of God, just as I am, just as the oceans that move to and fro are, just as the blade of grass is, just as though every single star is.....I give reverence to all things, but worship nothing, God knows I love Thee and knows I am aware of Thee. Some 'new agers' might worship God....but worship is usually an idea of a 'god demanding something, such as worship'.....and God, from my experiences, would rather you sit and talk to Thee, instead of worship. God likes to talk, likes to walk beside us, likes to laugh with us, likes to hold us while we are in pain. God likes interaction....from what I have experienced.

God is humble, so when worshiped, Thee only bows back to you.

What you gain from your belief is very fine....some people feel a pull in their gut to move a step farther....to really relate to the nature of what God is, to discover this for themselves instead of being told about it.

From what I have read in your posts....you do have a personal relation and are very much seeing things alot of 'religious' people dont see. Keep your heart open and keep the door wide, just in case Thee has something to show you. Even though you claim a religion, I dont see that you have cut out limits to what God is....and that is the key right there. Dont set limits to God. You can find the Spirit of God in many religions, its when someone tries to say that this or that is the ONLY place you will find God.



LV

Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by On the Edge

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Even though you claim a religion,

I hope you meant to say,"Even though you DON'T claim a religion",because in truth,I have not. I said I don't believe in Sunday worship,which might make me more of a Seventh-Day Adventist-type,but that's as far as it goes.

And I apologize for suffering from the "broad swath" syndrome that's going around! As far as "worshipping" the Sun or whatever,..I didn't know what else to relate it to. Actually,I think it's more of man's worship of Self and what he can attain.

I don't know if other Christians have experienced the paranormal element in this universe as I have.(I gave just a few examples in an earlier post here.) I am open to whatever God allows into my life,and know He gives me the tools to deal with it. Even now,I pray God uses me as a "conduit",if He sees fit.

I haven't always walked the straight and narrow,as I pretty much do now(except that I still smoke cigarettes! ) I am in awe to simply still be around at all!

As far as the "fear" and "deception" part...Because I believe in Satan,I am glad to be made aware and be on alert to his schemes. The Bible tells us the greatest danger in the end-times is Deceit.

Not all things can be Good. We must have discernment. Poison mixed in with good food is the most dangerous of all,because we will more readily consume it.

To err on the side of caution,I go by the old saying,"If you're not with me,you're against me!"(1 John 4:1-3,to be more specific!)

God has kept me very humble. Having the experiences I have had,I am not judgemental. I am just a living,breathing testimony to the power of God in my life,like so many millions of others,and it is my duty,and privaledge,to share that encouragement with others.

I thank you for taking the time to answer my request the best you could.
It would seem what you said about the biggest difference being my belief in Satan(Lucifer) is true.(Which,actually,was the point of this thread!)

reply to post by On the Edge

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Well thankyou for the kind comment.

Trust me when I say, I don't get many of those on amazon at all, quite the contrary. and it's a bit lonely around here at times as well.

I'm glad my post meant something to you.

Have you had a chance to look at;
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262545862&sr=8-1

It is quite interesting...I wasn't going to buy it until I heard the author on Dr Stans radio show, then I had to get it. The preface was loaded with more info than I already knew.

reply to post by LeoVirgo

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Concerning your nik....did you know that the original witness was in the heavens? and it started in Virgo and ended in Leo, telling a story along the way?

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262546338&sr=1-1

funny how that witness remains after all these years.

reply to post by LeoVirgo

A spiritualists (new ager) keeps an open mind and gives reverence to all things that they are a part of. The Earth is our mother, they might feel at ONE with the Earth and might pay her much respect by keeping her clean, giving thanks to her for the food she gives us ect....but this is not worship. They might do they same thing with the sun, I take a moment every day to make 'awareness' to the sun for what it is, the life it gives, the warmth I am so thankful for. But still....these things are not God, I dont treat them as if they are The Most High. But they are of God, just as I am, just as the oceans that move to and fro are, just as the blade of grass is, just as though every single star is.....I give reverence to all things, but worship nothing, God knows I love Thee and knows I am aware of Thee. Some 'new agers' might worship God....but worship is usually an idea of a 'god demanding something, such as worship'.....and God, from my experiences, would rather you sit and talk to Thee, instead of worship. God likes to talk, likes to walk beside us, likes to laugh with us, likes to hold us while we are in pain. God likes interaction....from what I have experienced.

I'm a pagan and that pretty much sums up my feelings. No ritual, no prayers as such, just being part of what/who IS, and fellowship the highest experience.

I wish some body could explain creation to me. As I see it, God the Father is the still working creator, quickening with his breath the raw material (mother) and creating individual beings(souls). The physical comes first, as a fetus forming in the womb, the spiritual comes later, as the taking of the first breath. In the same way, the One who is everywhere can quicken the soul with another touch of his spirit that is not physical, such as oxygen molecules, but as unmeasurable essence. Such a person would be called 'spirit filled'.

We in this life don't stop being physical creatures, our duty is to our fellows, in care and giving. To care for our fellow creature includes caring for the planet we share. A homeless person is truly homeless if there is no suitable environment in which to live and breathe.

There is an enemy, some being which 'full of itself' felt no need for further fellowship, totally wrong of course, for all life comes from God. This self deceived one is the deceiver.

The man (our brother) we know as Jesus has shown us and taught us what it is to continue the Father's work of creating; to care for each other, work for peace, warn of deception. The spirit he gives is the same as that of the Father, the essence of the Father who is one.

War and killing and enslavement of others and sacrifices of another for your benefit is all inspired by deception and leads to deception and absence of the Fathers spirit and fellowship.

If creation is something other than this, it would be very difficult to convince me. Which would explain why I'm still a pagan.



[edit on 3-1-2010 by pthena]

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