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"...Blavatsky also equated Lucifer with Jesus Christ. This thinking is partially derived from various mystical interpretations of God’s Word. In Revelation 22:16 Jesus is called the "bright and morning star," and in Isaiah Lucifer is referred to as the "son of the morning" (the NIV also says "son of the dawn"). Mystically and astrologically speaking, the bright and morning star is Venus, which, in the teachings of occult schools, is symbolically Lucifer. And in the solar cults, the morning star is frequently referred to as the Sun, or "son" of the morning, and "son of god." According to Blavatsky’s esoteric theology, "Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the ‘Holy Ghost’ and ‘Satan,’ at one and the same time…"
JN 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
2PE 1:19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
REV 21:22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light,
REV 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
REV 12:7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by On the Edge
My heart tells me that building systems of belief where everythings fits nicely together in a systematic way tends to blind people.
The Papacy has a closed system.
The Calvinists have a closed system.
The Dispensationalists have a closed system.
The SDAs have a closed system.
The Mormons have a closed system.
All these closed systems with wildly different beliefs yet they fit together logically internally. And each have questions they dare not be asked, because each has chinks. If you find yourself explaining away a question rather than answering it, you have found a chink.
I don't know if I would say that without qualification.
Then we have Satan, the accuser, and the angel of the Abyss, Apollyon(destroyer), and an old time angel going by the title YHWH.
I don't know if I would say that without qualification.
I think there is a lot more of the name YHWH thrown about in the Old Testament than there was the actual YHWH behind everything attributed to him, by zealous scribes trying to promote their personal favorite god.
1KI 19:11 The LORD said, "Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the LORD, for the LORD is about to pass by."
Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. 12 After the earthquake came a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper.
JER 31:34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,"
declares the LORD.
"For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."
Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by jmdewey60
. My man is Jesus. And that's all I have.
[edit on 4-1-2010 by pthena]
In my opinion,that is all you need!
You believe Jesus is the Son of God who died for your sins,....His victory is yours also!
John 3:16 says it all!
And nobody can take that away from you!
Originally posted by On the Edge
If you want to say that Satan and Lucifer are not the same,you're free to keep believing that!
Even the dictionary says they are the same! (You can make fun of that source all you want. Makes it seem like "common knowledge",if you ask me!)
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by On the Edge
If you want to say that Satan and Lucifer are not the same,you're free to keep believing that!
Outside of Christianity, "Lucifer" was a title used by the Romans to describe the Greek god Apollo, as well as the goddess Venus, as as well the planet Venus. The term is also used in theosophy to describe personal enlightenment. There is really no historical or even traditional relation between the devil and the title "Lucifer".
Originally posted by Masonic Light
reply to post by On the Edge
We're probably not going to agree on this. Everytime I hear someone start talking about demons and such, as in the website you quoted, my B.S. detector goes off pretty loudly.
[edit on 5-1-2010 by Masonic Light]
Originally posted by Masonic Light
reply to post by On the Edge
God speaks through lots of things. Actually, he speaks through everything.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
reply to post by On the Edge
On the Edge...Im am curious how to come to know wisdom from BS. How do you determine something is from God or not from God?
If you care to elaborate, that is.
Originally posted by On the Edge
For me,I judge things by the word of God. He does speak adamantly against sorcery,witchcraft,mediums,and the like. So I consider the source.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft (5331), hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of Elohim.
farmakeiva Pharmakeia (far-mak-i'-ah); Word Origin: Greek, Noun Feminine, Strong #: 5331
the use or the administering of drugs, poisoning. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it Metaphorically: the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
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The drug industry is recognized as the Pharmaceutical Industry!
Webster's Dictionary defines pharmaceutical as:
From the Greek word Pharmakeia, to practice witchcraft, use medicine, a poison, medicine 1. Of pharmacy or pharmacists. 2. Of or by drugs: as, pharmaceutical cure.
Revalation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in you; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in you: for your merchants were the great men of the earth; for by their sorceries (5331)were all nations deceived. Re 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries,(5331) nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.