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posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 12:19 AM
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I wish ATS had an area for outstanding posts... because this one would be in it. What a great read, and the way you smoothly related all the history into your point of view... incredible!

Posts like this gem are what makes ATS an outstanding site.

Thank you




posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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You are most welcome, and thank you for taking the time to read and consider them.

I love ATS too! Lots of interesting things being shared and the greatest staff on the Internet too!

No conspiracy there!



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:54 AM
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You can waste all your time thinking rome is the key, and while the anti-christ will come out of the roman empire, he will be a "jew"! Daniel 11;37 plainly states this fact when it says that "he"(the anti-christ), will not regard the "God" of his "fathers", which is our real God . The real God then is the God of both the jews and the christians, for there were only 2 religions back then, judaism and christianity. Islam had not been born at that time.

Then you can go to the book of revelation in chapter 2:9, and it says that he(jesus) knows those who say they are "jews", but are not! They are of the synagogue of satan! He is referring to the jewish converts, the "Khazarians".

While it may seem that the vatican is run by romans, it is actually run by jewish converts who are none other than the Rothschilds. Mayer Amschel, Rothschild said it best when he said: "I want to control everything and own nothing!"



[edit on 17-1-2010 by thewind]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:17 AM
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i would just like to comment on this thread, another very detailed informative thread, on a very interesting topic where there needs to be many answers.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by thewind
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You can waste all your time thinking rome is the key, and while the anti-christ will come out of the roman empire, he will be a "jew"! Daniel 11;37 plainly states this fact when it says that "he"(the anti-christ), will not regard the "God" of his "fathers", which is our real God . The real God then is the God of both the jews and the christians, for there were only 2 religions back then, judaism and christianity. Islam had not been born at that time.

Then you can go to the book of revelation in chapter 2:9, and it says that he(jesus) knows those who say they are "jews", but are not! They are of the synagogue of satan! He is referring to the jewish converts, the "Khazarians".

While it may seem that the vatican is run by romans, it is actually run by jewish converts who are none other than the Rothschilds. Mayer Amschel, Rothschild said it best when he said: "I want to control everything and own nothing!"



[edit on 17-1-2010 by thewind]


So once again your whole argument here is based on what Rome told you!

Rome that practices divide and conquer warfare told you?

Rome that is masterful at deflection and deception told you?

Rome that is expert and adept at instilling circular forms of self defeating logic to enslave people told you?

The Bible is Rome's creation to further along Rome's plan, it is not prophecy it is strategy!

When a good strategy, well executed attains fruition this is not a prophecy coming true this is a well executed plan that is working.

Have you asked yourself how you could discount Rome when ultimately your whole view actually boils down to what Rome has extolled you to think in the first place, and view things as in the first place?

The Skull and Bones Fraternity 322 is actually tasked with making biblical prophecy appear to be coming true.

They do a darn respectable job at it also.

Once again the Zionists play a part, they are not the driving force, and while you don’t realize it, your own answer points clearly to Rome because Rome is the source of the information you are framing your contentions on!


[edit on 17/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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I want to echo what others have said. Your contribution to this thread is greatly appreciated, ProtoplasmicTraveler. You've integrated several points of history with detail and insight. I hope you can find the time to make a separate thread covering this all. I know this information has personally blown my mind, and allowed an expanded view on what's really going on, who's really to blame.

You've touched all spheres; the physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual.

Excellent




posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 12:00 PM
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Thanks my friend, this is in my humble opinion the Mother of all Conspiracies. Almost every other conspiracy, real conspiracy that transpires in relation to world events is part of what I consider to be Rome’s Master Plan as various elements that drive it are manipulated and put into place throughout the centuries and throughout our lifetimes.

If true and I for one do believe it’s true it is mind boggling in its nature and scope and there are a small but significant and growing number of people here on ATS who suspect it is true as well.

I have put bits and pieces of the conspiracy as I see it in a number of threads where I felt that the conspiracy being discussed really does illustrate this is the larger conspiracy behind them.

A number of critical minds are inclined to agree. I really urge anyone and everyone to do their research into the matter. What we discover individually of our initiative and accord tends to have a far greater impact and be far more convincing than just what someone else conveniently lays out for us.

People really do need to wake themselves up and really do need to want to wake themselves up.

The good news is that if enough people do, we the people could reach a critical mass and put an end to much of the madness that drives the world as we know it.

In warfare the masters of that bloody and destructive craft all say the same thing, one must know their enemy.

It is virtually impossible to defeat an unknown enemy and in my humble opinion most people are completely oblivious as to whom the real enemy is. I believe it is Rome and if we learn how it operates and what it does and to what end, then Rome can be defeated finally once and for all.

Or at the very least transformed into a user friendly Rome!



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:14 PM
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i sincerely doubt that their (rome etc) motives are altruistic. none of them would be involved if there were not dollars and high living to be had. i can see how their recruiting strategy would function, as in "look, the plebes are all primitive and we have to guide them, so why not join us in the greatest plan in history, after all, we are superior and we can see you have great potential".
they would convince themselves that a few deaths would be "collateral damage" and worth it in the long run for the "good" of the world. they would soon grow numb. and the recruited could have anything their hearts desired, from power to peadephilia and everything in between. and if you're sprung, we'll help you up to a point but if there is too much exposure, we'll throw you to the wolves. or/and later, if you dont do as you're told we will assassinate you.

sooooooooo, i dont believe they will be happiest when they dont have to run the world anymore.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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Yes and no my friend. It is very much like the age old adage “It is better to serve the Devil than to stand in his way.”

As people work their way up the food chain in their careers, dependent upon what their career is, and their aptitude at it and their skill level they are eventually going to reach that level where they encounter the lowest rung of the “Powers that Be”.

One of two things are going to happen at this point, your career is going to progress no further, or you are going to work with or for the “Powers that Be”.

If you choose to try to circumvent them, they will shut you down one way or other. They rarely kill people except for those few who actually know their darkest secrets and can prove them and then betray them.

They simply pick up the phone and use their influence to discredit people and dissuade other people from doing business with them, or frame them for something and feed them to the wolves.

Now in reality I know some of the powers that be. One of the most influential of the Powers that Be who at that time controlled the political process here in America stumbled into the travel agency I worked for and simply said, “I have heard some impressive things about you young man, and I have a challenge for you if you want to take it, it’s my annual vacation, but I go to a lot of bizarre places on my vacations, and most of them are hard to get in and out of and you have to figure out how to get me in and out of them as close to the dates I want to get in and out of them, travelling first class, and I want to stay at the in crowd superior deluxe hotel in each place and I need to know the best places to eat and get around and shop there too, now it’s going to take you some time to put together, and it’s going to be hard, but not only will it be a very expensive trip, one you will make a big commission on, but if you impress me and do a good job, it will be the luckiest thing that ever happened to you”.

Well my friend, business is business, and I really had no clue as to who he was, just that he was extremely well dressed and spoken and was likely not blowing smoke up my hind end, so I accepted the challenge and spent a few days working out the details of his 100,000.00 dollar vacation.

I read the newspapers each day, and all the international stories and I noticed a few interesting things happened in the nations and cities he was visiting as he was actually there or shortly after he was there.

I don’t believe in coincidence so when he got back a month later and stopped by my office one morning to congratulate me on a job well done, I naturally asked him about these coincidences.

He was floored, but before he could recover and figure out how to respond, even though he was a married man and took his wife along I looked him dead in the eye and simply asked “How long have you been gay”. Living in Los Angeles it becomes important to develop a gaydar!

He was speechless and in awe, not only had I figured out the purpose behind his vacation but his darkest secret too.

This presented both a huge challenge and a huge opportunity to him. The chances of the average human being actually being that perceptive, intuitive, informed and insightful are in fact astronomically small.

He was genuinely curious as to if I could figure out that much about him, without even knowing him and without him even confiding in me off of purely circumstantial and seemingly inconsequential things, what else could I figure out about people.

So he offered me another challenge. Now I knew from the time I was a young boy and first started researching and reading about conspiracies that a secret shadow corporate government existed and ran the world or at least our country, but I never imagined I would stumble directly into it.

His next challenge was an invitation to the Jonathan Club, which is Los Angeles’ premier gentlemen’s club where the wealthiest blue blood and pedigree men go to dine, be entertained, and socialize, with annexes that have a golf course and a beach club.

He asked if I would join him there for dinner and if I would just look around the dining room and try to guess who did what for a living and what their vices were.

I was thrilled at the chance to go there honestly, after all I worked on commission, and one needs clients to make commissions.

So I went and did what he asked me and read every last person sitting in the Dinning Room and Drawing Room to a T. All based off of the clothing they wore, their shoes and ties, posture, body language, jewelry and other items they simply had with them, explained to him what each person did for a living and what their vices were.

Of course he knew them all and what they did for a living and their vices and once again he was just astounded.

We developed a friendship, a good one, based on an exchange of him happily and constantly referring to me the most moneyed and influential clients a person could ever ask for in exchange for me giving character assessments of the people he was running for political office.

They were of course the people running on both sides of the aisle with the outcome determined of who would win before the election even occurred by controlling who would run, and run on what issues, and to what extent they would get funded and press.

Through this process I met and conversed and sometimes dined with some of the biggest names in politics and business from heads of the biggest corporations, family members from some of the biggest dynasties, politicians all the way up to the President, and even her Majesty the Queen of England.

Now here is my question for you, and I want you to think about it long and hard before you answer it…

Which phone number, of what government or law enforcement agency do you think I could have called and shared all this that actually could have acted on it? These people appoint every government head; they control every newspaper and media outlet?

While you are thinking about that, when I say I have it on very good authority the Powers that Be would be quite happy if we woke up, I actually have it on very good authority!

I am not condoning or supporting what they do or how they do it, I am simply sharing what I know about what they do and how they do it as well as how they think.




[edit on 17/1/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:13 PM
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Thought I would add this coincidence to the Rome discussion

It is from this thread
The Black Knight satellite ((( in the sky before sputnik )))
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The part about Rome is in the first link and is near the bottom of the page on that link.
www.excludedmiddle.com...


Dick had another vision. He saw the pink St. Elmo's fire coalesce into a door perfectly proportioned to the Golden Mean. Through the door he saw ancient Greece, or some other Mediterranean land. He later regretted never stepping through it. This brings us full circle to the subject of Long Delay Echoes. As Dick sat staring at the Y in an ICHTHYS sticker in his window one afternoon, he pondered these strange occurrences. As he did, he saw first-century Rome fade in and remain superimposed on top of 1974 California. The experience lasted through February and March. He still knew which was the vision and which was real, but when he looked away and then looked back, Rome was still there.

The message he decided VALIS was sending him is that we still live in Roman times. Nothing has changed, we still live under the rule of a cruelly corrupt empire, and the Christian apocalypse is near. VALIS predicted the downfall of a King. Nixon left office soon after. As Dick said in VALIS, "The Empire Never Ended." This catch-phrase was made known to him in one of his tutelary dreams


[edit on 17-1-2010 by tooo many pills]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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but when you think about it, why would I want to defeat rome?
I see nothing bad about one world government. from where I stand Rome did not create ''evil'' of any kind, rome just show us how evil we are in nature.
if somebody has to govern us, why not rome? why you think you could do it better?
what? you think if suddenly we become "free" we all will live in pure love happily ever after singing kumbaya? maybe we would, for two days max.. and pure darkest chaos after.
you think the world was in peace before Rome? it wasn't peaceful before, and it won't be after.
you can't destroy something if you have nothing better to replace it and expect that everything will be just fine.
humans are just sheep. hippy sheep, PhD sheep, sheep nonetheless. and they need a shepherd. no matter they want it or not.
maybe this process to unity was a bit painful sometimes, but no pain no gain.
so I'm asking you, can you do it better? can you do anything at all?
if there is somebody who can, why resist if you can help?

Hail Caesar!



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:18 PM
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The Bible is Rome's creation
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Umm, no, I am not using rome's history, and if you knew as much about biblical history then you'd know that in the library of the temple when jerusalem was sacked by the romans in 70 a.d., there were more than 6000 scrolls?

When they were discovered, they were burned, and only about 600 or so made it out and are in the existing jerusalem library. So who knows what teachings were in those other destroyed scrolls? The only thing saving the scrolls now is that a real jewish rabbi watches over them because they were passed down by the generations in secret.

You mention the Talmud Scrolls, or any of the other now found ones and that makes the vatican very, very nervous. This is one reason why the many different cults were formed, as to try to find these missing scrolls so the vatican could control them.

From Opus Dei to the Illuminati, the search has been going on for thousands of years now.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:29 PM
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Rome is the source of the information you are framing your contentions on!
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The information could have been easily framed on syria, germany, or even china, but I am not the one who dictated the center of this now ongoing cycle of events. God could have made everything focus on japan and taiwan, but he didn't.

He chose Israel as his people, and that is the real center of this drama. All your garb that seems to be fascinating people here is nothing new. The bible speaks of everything you have posted. God is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last, and the creator of all things!

Rome is nothing more than a tool of biblical prophecy, just as is the european union, the global gov't, and the unveiling of the coming son of perdition, better known as the anti-christ.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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Question, if this guy was so high up the food chain why was he using a travel agency? If you're one of TPTB you usually own the travel agency or at the very least a private plane.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 12:49 AM
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firstly, thankyou for sharing that with us. it required no time at all. any phone call would achieve nothing except possibly your own demise or decline.
perhaps the active workers/illuminati get drawn in deeper and deeper, get totally sick of it and will be relieved when its over. perhaps their's is a feeling of "this job is never ending". i also accept the yoga philosophy that "evil must be done, woe unto those that do it", so maybe that is tied in with how and what the elite are involved in. also, anything one is involved in eventually pales into insignificance. an ever active mind smothers a soul. it puts an almost impenetrable skin over ones real nature and sooner or later(even a later incarnation) one starts to look within. it appears that when established in ones own real nature, anything/everything else is a dream.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by EMPIRE
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Question, if this guy was so high up the food chain why was he using a travel agency? If you're one of TPTB you usually own the travel agency or at the very least a private plane.





I have heard some impressive things about you young man, and I have a challenge for you if you want to take it, it’s my annual vacation, but I go to a lot of bizarre places on my vacations, and most of them are hard to get in and out of and you have to figure out how to get me in and out of them as close to the dates I want to get in and out of them, travelling first class, and I want to stay at the in crowd superior deluxe hotel in each place and I need to know the best places to eat and get around and shop there too, now it’s going to take you some time to put together, and it’s going to be hard, but not only will it be a very expensive trip, one you will make a big commission on, but if you impress me and do a good job, it will be the luckiest thing that ever happened to you”.


Evidently he heard some impressive things about me!

In answer to your other questions, I can't think of a Power that Be that own's their own Travel Agency. The profit margins are very small, and the fines and penalties if you screw up a code are very high.

However most of the Powers that Be who own corporate jets own them through their corporations. They own their yachts through their corporations too. Sometimes their corporations have small to mid-sized travel offices that are capable of handling routine things.

This particular actually did have access to all those things through his corporation. In the case of his corporation's travel department he found their expertise in some things to be lacking. Doing a job and doing a good job, and doing an excellent job, and doing an outsanding job are in fact four seperate things my friend.

In the case of private jets most of the people who have them use them when it makes sense and go commerical when it makes sense.

Flying a private plane is a logistical enterprise in and of itself. Not only do you have to get clearance for it which is not always easy to do in communist and third world countries, but once you are there you have to make suitable arrangements for your pilot or send them back home. That means working out the logisitics for your pilots accomodations and ground transportation. You also have to arrange in some cases for security for your plane while it sits on the ground. If you have a flight crew to serve you, you also have to arrange similiar accomodations for them.

The further you are from your home base, where you normally fly your plain out of, and the longer you are gone from your home base the more expensive and troublesome that all becomes.

Do you really understand the logistics of travelling in and out of remote places and third world countries and dictatorships?

I do/did, do you really know what's on the ground in all those places, I do/did.

In this case he got to kill two birds with one stone, he got a pretext to meet me, "Someone he had heard some impressive things about" and to get the expertise and services he was most looking for and could afford to pay for.

Any other questions?



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by thewind
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The Bible is Rome's creation
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Umm, no, I am not using rome's history, and if you knew as much about biblical history then you'd know that in the library of the temple when jerusalem was sacked by the romans in 70 a.d., there were more than 6000 scrolls?

When they were discovered, they were burned, and only about 600 or so made it out and are in the existing jerusalem library. So who knows what teachings were in those other destroyed scrolls? The only thing saving the scrolls now is that a real jewish rabbi watches over them because they were passed down by the generations in secret.

You mention the Talmud Scrolls, or any of the other now found ones and that makes the vatican very, very nervous. This is one reason why the many different cults were formed, as to try to find these missing scrolls so the vatican could control them.

From Opus Dei to the Illuminati, the search has been going on for thousands of years now.



This is what you imagine. However since the sacking of the Temple was a false flag to give the Hebrews the pretext to go into exile for a vast plan and conspiracy nothing of any value was destroyed.

Two is that while the Templars/Masons, the Vatican, and the Pharisees are all in possession of the complete scrolls or copy of the complete scrolls they are a double edged sword for Christians, and Jews alike.

They would expose the fraud in Christianity.

The would also expose the frauds in Judaism.

They would also expose the frauds in Islam.

They are the equivalant of nuclear weapons, using them as blackmail does not work, because it's mutually assured destruction.

What these various groups that you refer to like the Illuminati, and Masons, and Skull and Bones do is make sure YOU never run across them, by keeping an eye on key archeological sites, and places of historical significance in case something like the Dead Sea Scrolls are ever accidently discovered by anyone who might take them to a source they don't control.

So no, not only are none of the entities able to use them as blackmail against another of the entities the entities are actually all bound together through contract in the furtherance of a plan in which they at the top of the food chain all play a part.

Makes for a great movie, when you want to believe that Islam, Judaism and Christondom are all actually fighting each other.

They in fact aren't, they are all working together to get their laities and congregants to fight one another.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by orangutang
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firstly, thankyou for sharing that with us. it required no time at all. any phone call would achieve nothing except possibly your own demise or decline.
perhaps the active workers/illuminati get drawn in deeper and deeper, get totally sick of it and will be relieved when its over. perhaps their's is a feeling of "this job is never ending". i also accept the yoga philosophy that "evil must be done, woe unto those that do it", so maybe that is tied in with how and what the elite are involved in. also, anything one is involved in eventually pales into insignificance. an ever active mind smothers a soul. it puts an almost impenetrable skin over ones real nature and sooner or later(even a later incarnation) one starts to look within. it appears that when established in ones own real nature, anything/everything else is a dream.


You are welcome my friend, actually the truth is that most of them are bored to tears. Imagine if you were born so wealthy you could go to Las Vegas every day of the year and loose a million dollars every day and still be stinking rich when you were old and gray without ever having made a single dime in your whole lifetime.

Most of what they do is work to keep themselves occupied for something to do, and part of that work is what they consider the responsibility of making sure that the infrastructure works and the resources and consumer goods are there on the shelves for people if left to their own devices would end up scraping tree bark for something to eat.

They actually consider the unwashed masses to be lazy, self-absorbed, unfocused, lacking in common sense, and self discipline and emotional discipline, selfish and petty, and willing to sell out their principles and ideas for a pittance.

What they are really good at is using common sense. If you ever want to peer inside of the mind of they typical Power that Be pick up a Farmers Almanac or some other source of Addages and Widsom and all those quaint, wise, axiums frame the disciplines they govern themselves personally by.

We are stuck with Powers that Be, and they are stuck being Powers that Be, because most people have no common sense and they do.

That's the painful truth of it. They really aren't going to cry if we ever learn common sense, self discipline, and emotional discipline.

They do believe that day might never come, and they do operate in the void that the chaos of so many people who don't have common sense creates.

The do intentionally do things to prod us to think about getting some common sense.

Nothing really seems to help though.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by thewind
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Rome is the source of the information you are framing your contentions on!
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The information could have been easily framed on syria, germany, or even china, but I am not the one who dictated the center of this now ongoing cycle of events. God could have made everything focus on japan and taiwan, but he didn't.

He chose Israel as his people, and that is the real center of this drama. All your garb that seems to be fascinating people here is nothing new. The bible speaks of everything you have posted. God is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last, and the creator of all things!

Rome is nothing more than a tool of biblical prophecy, just as is the european union, the global gov't, and the unveiling of the coming son of perdition, better known as the anti-christ.



Once again the Bible is simply a plan on how to slowly create a one world government and it simply centers around Israel and the Jews because at the point it was written it was written in part to gaurantee the repayment of huge sums of money that the Romans had borrowed from the Pharisees to finance the empire.

But I respect that you have inherent need to believe some great divine force other than man is involved to deflect away from the fact that people are just nuts!

To put forth some idea that some wiser supreme being made them flawed and just likes to sit around and punish them waiting for the day they go to far and kills just about all of them.

I have to tell you I would fire that G-d and get one who could make some competent functional beings!

Glad you appreciate that kind of attention to detail and quality craftsmanship!



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 03:49 AM
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An extremely well presented (and IMO highly plausible) theory. Thank you for sharing.

I have only one question;

By recounting the circumstances that led you to that privileged position, which in turn afforded you such an insight into the working practices of TPTB, you will have undoubtedly exposed your identity.
You also state that you "have it on good authority" that TPTB would be happy for the masses to 'wake up'.

Do I take it then, that you present this information with the full blessing of TPTB, and that you are, in some way, authorized to post it here?





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