At the very top, less than 12 men control the world. A council of 7

Originally posted by thewind
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

You left out one very important thing here, and that is the fact that the Rothschilds took over control of the vatican's money in 1823, thus catapaulting them into total control over the them also. So yes, the jews are in full control of us all!

The Power Of The Rothschilds
By Fritz Springmeier
Excerpt - Bloodlines of the Illuminati
www.rense.com...

so...if the jews are in control....why do the arabs, and the chinese have so much economic power, with enormous holdings of world currencies, coupled with vast holdings of precious metals??

reply to post by jimmyx
The Rothcshilds have more than 600 trillion in gold bullion alone. The arabs couldn't pump that much oil for the rest of eternity and the chinese couldn't make enough junk to stock all the walmarts in the world with to be sold to come close to it either.

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Not by the Jews... but by the Zionists, Real Jews are not Zionists.

Zionism roots are from Rome. Theodor Herzl, the father of Zionism is a Roman Puppet. That was the first stage to control the Holy Land, the next stage was done by another Roman puppet, Adolf Hitler. WW2 leaded to the creation of Israel.

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obviously not true

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There are a number of things that greatly confuse the average person on both sides of the pond regarding this issue and other similar things.

In Mel Gibson’s movie the Patriot about a South Carolinian’s family’s struggle in the Revolutionary War in one scene Mel Gibson’s character met Lord Cornwallis inside his headquarters to negotiate a Prisoner Exchange between the opposing forces.

Lord Cornwallis complained to Gibson’s character in that scene that the American Rebel practice of targeting officers specifically at the beginning of every skirmish and battle was improper and ungentlemanly. He went on to draw a distinction between officers as being ‘civilized’ and enlisted men as being ‘rabble’. He explained without civilized officers to command, control and direct the enlisted men, that the enlisted men would turn into nothing but an unruly armed mob, which would run counter to and defeat what civilization was all about.

While many people would argue being civilized is being ‘Christian’ or being ‘Educated’ or being ‘Mannered’ or even ‘Moneyed’ or a combination or all of them none of these are correct.

The epitome of civilized and what makes civilizations work is the ability of the people at the top of the power structure of that civilization to keep their ‘agreements’.

Agreements that between the rabble of the unwashed masses usually require just a verbal promise and a handshake but in actuality agreements that then become ‘enforceable’ through written, signed, sealed and witnessed ‘contracts’, ‘treaties’ and ‘accords’.

Those are the instruments, the enforceable instruments that make our notions of civilization possible.

In ancient times nations went to war for one reason and one reason only, it was never about the ideology they are often couched in today, it was about one thing, the ‘spoils’ of war. War was a money making enterprise and not through that commonly held fallacy amongst the unwashed masses of it’s good for the economy because the State has to buy lots of swords and shields and sandals for the armies. Rather it was because the nation invaded would be looted of its gold and silver and jewels and art and its conquered people sold into slavery.

When I was still a very young man and prone to temper tantrums still and the youthful indiscretions that are born of uncontrolled emotion a very wise man said to me “If you want to hurt a person, really hurt a person, hurt a person in the way they will always fear and respect you, you don’t attack them, you attack their wallet!”

Truer words are seldom ever spoken and while the ideologies and philosophies that are manipulated by Officers to get the enlisted rabble to fight one another in controlled ways, and the unwashed masses to fund it with their labors and tax dollars and support it morally are real to the enlisted combatants and the citizens in relation to their perspectives and world view and their emotions to this day wars are only fought for the spoils, for the money.

Fought because the civilized men at top of the food chain are either desirous of the spoils that can be had through conquest or because a contract between sovereign parties is no longer being honored.

This is why nations like Cuba, Iran, North Korea and others are isolated and trade restricted with them through sanctions, because they broke or failed to honor their existing contracts through revolutions born of ideologies and philosophies and not the civilized process of ‘contract amendment’.

While the unwashed masses and the enlisted warriors will still be told it is all about the philosophies and ideologies of dangerous and uncivilized regimes it really is just about those contracts that have been broken and the never ending requirement to keep attempting to enforcing them, because the system of civilization as we know it is all hinged on civilized responsible parties keeping their words. At the top of the food chain they believe the moment they stop those never ending and incessant efforts to control and direct and command through contractual honored agreements the world or much of it will disintegrate into an unruly armed unintelligently directed mob beyond their control.

What gets so hard for most people in America and England as well to believe that the United States lost the War of 1812 and the Revolutionary War is the tactical battle field victories that led to the armistices being won by American Armies.

The unwashed masses and the enlisted rabble are governed through a might makes right concept and philosophy.

Yet in the case of the Revolutionary War when our plenipotentiaries reached the Court of Versailles a Holy Roman Empire Court, via the Court of Madrid, and the Court of their High Mightiness of the Netherlands which were also Courts of the Holy Roman Empire to sit down and conclude the peace won through their imagined tactical battle field victories they then came face to face with those ‘most civilized’ men at the top of the food chain.

Those were of course the Bankers, Land Owners, and Creditors who armed with their contracts and their bills wanted to know exactly how the American plenipotentiaries planned to pay them for the property they were in fact stealing through violence and the debts that they were trying to renege on in the process.

Armed with enforceable contracts and far superior monetary wealth and controlling a vastly larger swath of the earth than the rebels had temporarily seized from them these Royals, Land Owners, Bankers and Creditors had one simple and powerful message, submit to our control and guarantee our repayment in a Treaty we shall write and through a Constitution for this new corporate entity we will tell you how to write that guarantees our control and repayment or face non-stop war as we will raise new armies and can afford to do so, and face economic isolation as we will absolutely not conduct trade and commerce with you.

Wars are not won or even fought on the battlefields those actions just lead to the leverage of getting the parties into the drawing room where the bankers, landowners and other creditors who are the civilized people who actually run the world create the contracts and treaties and use the leverage of money and wealth to decide the outcome.

America’s plenipotentiaries literally had no choice but to submit at this point as the reality is had they not, they would have faced non-stop war, and the same kind of sanctions we employ today on Cuba and Iran and been destined not for posterity and greatness but poverty and a slow ruinous decay that would have led eventually to their utter defeat and humiliation.

All the Creditors and Royals and Bankers and Landowners did was offered them a face saving way through contract to salvage their own reputations and to parlay that into the civilized control of the unwashed masses and enlisted rabble of America to ensure that real winners would get paid!

Get paid and remain secretly but firmly in control.

If you actually know the English language which the majority of English Speakers do not in the very first paragraph of the Treaty of Paris the English King who derives his real power as a prince of Rome and a prince elector of Rome and the Arch-Treasurer of Rome clearly incorporates the United States, and clearly reserves the right to be it’s prince elector (choose it’s President) and it’s treasurer (controls it’s money)!

It states it plain as day.

When the Holy Roman Empire dissolved on paper in 1805 it led to the Americans believing they might be able to renege on the Contracts, that led to the War of 1812 and the only goal of 1812 was to sack Washington and to secure the Original Copies of the Enforceable Contracts and carry them back to England so it would never be possible for future American Revolutionaries to deny their existence and they could always be used as leverage.

What we are told by our Governments is only to appeal to our emotions of pride or inferiority, of destiny or fate for the sheer purpose of emotional manipulation. Because we are the uneducated or undereducated unwashed masses it is not thought that we are capable of reading and comprehending what are in fact public records that frame the agreements, the contractual agreements that bind civilization together.

The world is ruled not through force of arms but through money. Rome is actually the source of that wealth and controls the money cartels that enslave us to debt and money.
This is what I have discovered through my own research, many people will say post a snippet for me to debunk, or deny or accept.

As Fox Maulder of the X-Files would say, the Truth is out there, and if knowing the truth is important enough to you, you will go looking for it just as I did and you will find it if you look in the right places, many of which I have stated where those right places are.

Two thousand years of history and contracts all point to one inevitable conclusion when you take the time to search it all out and read it all, that Rome never ever went out of business, never gave up it’s rights and ownership and rules almost the entire world now as a result.


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Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by thewind
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

You left out one very important thing here, and that is the fact that the Rothschilds took over control of the vatican's money in 1823, thus catapaulting them into total control over the them also. So yes, the jews are in full control of us all!

The Power Of The Rothschilds
By Fritz Springmeier
Excerpt - Bloodlines of the Illuminati
www.rense.com...

so...if the jews are in control....why do the arabs, and the chinese have so much economic power, with enormous holdings of world currencies, coupled with vast holdings of precious metals??

Rome has been using the Jews and then the Zionist and the Jews as deflection, mercenaries, errand boys, and whipping posts for two thousand years.

The Papal Rothschilds are just that, the Papal Rothschilds and all their titles emanate from Rome and so does all their power.

People can not rebel against Rome because Rome is masterful at making itself appear not in control, through things like the Rothschilds and Masons and other groups they control so you would never think to rebel against Rome.

The Jews do not have a covenant with G-d, they have a Contract with Rome, so does just about every other nation and major player except the handful that are isolated like Cuba and Iran and Afghanistan and Somolia and North Korea.

You have simply swallowed the emotional debate by keeping your eyes on the surface and appearances which are seldom if ever what they actually appear to be.

The Habiru and Hapiri, which you know as the Hebrew have been a nomadic band of mercenaries, pirates, money lenders, and political advisors and skilled crafts and tradesmen for 10,000 years of recorded history.

They contracted with Rome to play a part in the drive towards a one world government that will happen through mimicking Biblical Prophecy in the Bible Rome wrote and has always worked as a plan to install that one world government through divide and conquer warfare driven by ideology and philosophy, conflicting ideologies and philosophies Rome controls.

There is a thread right now on ATS by a member who wants to know why the Pope kisses the Quran.

As one of the conflicting philosophies Rome gets the unwashed masses to fight over to create the situations to install a one world government and rule it openly and in total control it is a highly kissable thing!

reply to post by mick1423
Not by the Jews... but by the Zionists, Real Jews are not Zionists.
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The Rothschilds are Khazarian Jewish converts. Their maiden name is "Bauer". See Jim Marrs' book, "Rule by Secrecy". They converted in 640 a.d. Another good read is "The 13th Tribe". Also, and this is well recorded history, the Rothschilds own and control both Palestine and Israel, via the "Balfour" Declaration of 1917. Why do you think there will never be peace there?

One more thing, when the jews got their country back in 1948, they wanted their original jewish insignia design "the mennorah" to be put on their flag, and the Rothschilds said NO, and put the star of david on it. To make matters worse, Israel's original flag star was "Red", and then changed to blue later on.

There is nothing wrong with the jewish people, it's their "gov't"! The gov't is the corrupt ones.

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You really are falling into a Roman trap; the plan was simple, Roman arms and religion, followed by Jewish Banking and Laws.

These are the things that bind the known world together. These are the elements of control.

The average Jew just like the average Christian, just like the average Muslim has no idea that they are dupes or pawns.

Rome simply contracted with the Jews to validate a fictitious G-d that they created to use the promise of an after life of paradise or damnation for adhering to or rejecting the Talmudic Laws written into the Roman Bible.

The Pharisees who are at the top of the Jewish Food Chain are rewarded handsomely for their ability through Zionism and the Occult and Judaism to utilize the duped Jews of the world by appealing to their own greed and pride and vanity to operate as a infiltrating column in societies throughout the world to enslave them to money lenders and unjust laws that are all about controlling the people by providing them a false sense of security.

Christians, Muslims and even Communists are all manipulated through the same emotions. Manipulated to fight one another and enslave one another, and defeat one another to create a pliable and manageable mass on Rome’s behalf.

The Jews role is to be one of a scapegoat and to deflect away from Rome. If you defeated Zionism you would have simply cut off one head of the Roman Hydra but the other heads would still retain their power, and dangerously you would fall into a FALSE sense of having prevailed and that the world is now right, when in fact it would still be very wrong and the people at the top of the Food Chain, the Council or Eight Roman Caesars would still rule over you.

The Jews are the Windmill that Don Quixote tilts at in vein.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The Papal Rothschilds are just that, the Papal Rothschilds and all their titles emanate from Rome and so does all their power.
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THink again!

www.bibliotecapleyades.net... The Rothchilds and the Pope.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Rome has been using the Jews and then the Zionist and the Jews as deflection, mercenaries, errand boys, and whipping posts for two thousand years.

Agreed. Follow the propaganda and believing in "those Jews" controlling everything is distracting and evades the true criminals at the heart of the conspiracy.

Regarding Rome, ask yourself why Hitler never SS soldiers into the Vatican when invading Italy, why Mussolini -on his first day in office- passed a treaty that turned Vatican into a City State. By reading the private comments of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles, it is possible the Church of England could return to the Catholic control. After all, this article from 2006

Radical proposals to reunite Anglicans with the Roman Catholic Church under the leadership of the Pope are to be published this year, The Times has learnt.

The proposals have been agreed by senior bishops of both churches.

In a 42-page statement prepared by an international commission of both churches, Anglicans and Roman Catholics are urged to explore how they might reunite under the Pope.

TimesOnline

Last year, the Pope announced a decree that allowed Anglicans to join the Catholic Church. In other words, the Church of England could return to Pontiff authority. This is significant because Church and State are one entity in the United Kingdom and Catholics are currently banned from wearing the Crown.

If there was a constitutional change in Britain, the Head of State and legislative branch would be under Vatican control. For those who do not know, members of the Church of England have seats in the second legislative branch of the UK Parliament - House of Lords.

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My friend if you follow my posting history here on ATS few people are as critical and doggedly against the Zionists as I am.

Money is nothing, it is an illusion of control, Contracts are everything, they are the instruments of control. Letting someone manage YOUR money to effect control only gives them as much CONTROL as is in the CONTRACT that governs that management and disbursement.

The Vatican did not hand over the Contracts, it handed over some CASH to one of it's contracted agents.

The key to victory here is not directly confronting the Zionists in an attempt to defeat them, their power is based on the number of slaves they own and control, drop your pants if you are circumcized you would be one of the slaves they own.

The bulk of Jewery are slaves and the whole key is getting the Slaves of all kinds including the Jewish, Christian, Muslim and Communist Slaves to rebel against their Masters.

Rome is simply paying the people who get the job done on behalf of Rome don't let your emotions get in the way of that.

Rome is a master of redirection and deflection, you see what they want you to see, and what you see is always a trap to get you to act emotionally and not intellectually.

Yes the Rothschilds are major players, but they all exist and their titles exist, and their wealth exists through the grace of G-d. That G-d does not reside in the heavens that G-d resides in Rome as the Pontificus Maximus the Vicar of Christ established by Treaty in the 1100's as G-d's legal representative and human embodiment on Earth.

If your Money says in G-d we Trust, your defacto, insrument of debt paper currency attached to nothing of intrinsic wealth says in G-d we Trust, it means in the Pontificus Maximus we Trust.

Read the treaties! Have you seen the Contract between Rome and the Papal Rothschilds or do your eyes simply fixate on the power that having that distinction granted to the Papal Rothschilds appears to weild?

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that's some very interesting reading. feels almost as if you fancy their ways of dominance.

World goverence by the Rothschilds. Here's a map of what the Rothschilds own and operate globally. Just click on the map to enlarge it.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Originally posted by Tim00
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

that's some very interesting reading. feels almost as if you fancy their ways of dominance.

The sad truth is friend, that we all fancy their ways of dominance. Dominance requires one thing to be effective and that is submission to those who dominate. Most of the known world has in fact submitted to that domination. Most of the known world has been emasculated much as it’s been circumcised.

Ask yourself this my friend, if your body is run by an electrical charge, which it is, that courses through your entire body, ideally uninterrupted what do you think the effect would be of cutting off part of that body? Is the frequency that current actually now reaching everything as intended or perhaps is this causing a short circuit in the machine?

A short circuit that makes men more docile, and pliable, makes it harder for them to focus and robs them of part of their life force and independence?

Whether through body modification, specifically controlled diets, pharmaceuticals, or the propaganda put forth by governmental and religious and corporate institutions the fact of the matter remains much of the known world has in fact submitted to this form of dominance and accepts it and amazingly even fights themselves and amongst themselves to help their Masters maintain it.

Am I a dominant? A type A personality, someone who looks to control as much of my environment and world through being well informed and perceptive and understanding the human condition?

Arguably I am, yet I unlike most people fight for my hard won individual freedoms every day of the week. I unlike most people challenge people to think with their minds instead of being ruled by their emotions. I unlike most people urge people to seek out higher truths and hidden truths and respond accordingly to them.

I don’t do that for profit or power, I do that based on my own code in which I live my life by, these things give me confidence and bolster me, and a sense of security, that some people mistake for arrogance, when in fact it is simply resoluteness and the honesty and integrity to say what I mean and mean what I say.


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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The sad truth is friend, that we all fancy their ways of dominance.

I won't deny that I do.

but in your version I don't really understand one thing about American Revolution, if Europe was under their control, it's all about civilized lords against barbarian peasants, why France allied with the States against England? or was it unauthorized action witch led to French revolution?

you really should write a book, or at least short youtube video

Originally posted by Tim00

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The sad truth is friend, that we all fancy their ways of dominance.

I won't deny that I do.

but in your version I don't really understand one thing about American Revolution, if Europe was under their control, it's all about civilized lords against barbarian peasants, why France allied with the States against England? or was it unauthorized action witch led to French revolution?

you really should write a book, or at least short youtube video

Once again my friend it’s actually all in the Treaties as to why. You see at that juncture of time the King of England who was the last known prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire and its arch-Treasurer was all so the Holy Roman Empire’s King of France.

The English monarchs were descendants of the Franks and Normans who constantly invaded England until they took control of it. They considered their own Royalty and Ancestry and Power within the Roman Structure to entitle them to that claim of also being the King of France.

The protestant reformation led to the people and some of the nobles of France wanting to secede from the Holy Roman Empire and the people of France put what both Rome and England considered a Usurper on the Throne.

A Throne that was contested for well over a hundred years between the English Monarchs empowered by Rome and the French Monarch empowered by the people of France.

Yet the English King retained enough power within France to be the Master of the Court of Versailles which was Rome’s official Court within France.

In the actual Treaty of Paris the English Monarch is also titled as and considered to be the actual King of France, with the usurper King of France only listed as a creditor of the revolutionary colonialists from America. His rights as a creditor were secured but not as a genuine monarch that derived his power from Rome.

The usurper French King simply saw the turmoil and rebellion in America as a means to hurt the English King and Rome financially by financing their efforts and supporting them.

Yet the reality is through the same Masons that helped change the status quo in America and incorporate it into the Holy Roman Empire they also eventually unseated the usurper French King through revolution to end France’s rebellion against Rome.

The Pope actually crowned Napoleon at his Coronation the Emperor of France. Yet sadly for Napoleon he suffered from a Napoleon complex and foolishly failed in a primary mission to conquer Russia and bring it’s banking under Papal Control.

In desperation he tried to independently counter this by attacking the 13 Cantons of Switzerland the heart of Rome’s Banking Empire imagining if he could defeat that, then those who were angry at him for his failure to subdue Russia would no longer be in the picture.

Napoleon died an excruciating agonizing death from arsenic poisoning in Exile as his punishment for so defying Rome. The Usurper French King lost his head to the Guillotine for defying Rome, which is why even though I expose Rome I always try to throw in the occasional….

Hail Caesar! Just to stay on it’s good side!

Thanks for asking, now you know!


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I'm reading that Treaty of Paris right know, took me some time to relearn english, but very interesting indeed..

Hail Caesar!

Thank you for this Thread!

It has informed a few gaps in my worldwatcheye and my understanding of the historic, globally constituted, enslavement of all peoples through the false construct of money.

I don't know about you guys, but i wasted a lot of time and energy, evaluating all conspiracy theories about whos at the top of the pyramid ( Lizards, Aliens, jews, prophesies, all secret societies, which are only branches of the real Architects of the Universe, now i will concentrate all my time and energy investigating on the right direction....ROME..!

Hail Caesar!