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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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Yes, I recall and even seen the mock up model of Germania. Heinrich Himmler was behind majority of the occult elements of the Nazi ideology-Hitler, in my opinion, was just a voice and figure head for the regime. Nazi anthropologists visitations to Tibet, racial policy of Germany and the Lebensborn project all originated with, or partly, with Himmler.




posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
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I meant apart, a bad typo.

Himmler was deeply fascinated with ancient prophets, religious texts and folklore in the Asia Minor.


Hitler was fascinated as were many of the ranking Nazis with eugenics and the concept of not just a Master Race of people but in fact a New Man.

I believe the Nazis spent a large portion of time dedicated to research as well as medical and breeding experiments that they even combined with some elements of the esoteric occult in trying to develop the New Man.

Hitler made some references to this “I have seen the New Man and let me say even I was frightened in the face of him and it took all my courage to stand my ground”.

The New Man/Master Race concept was more about the notion of a Super Soldier that would be harder to kill and more efficient at killing.

Hitler surely wasn’t the first leader with Super Soldier dreams in fact the CIA (which could be by and large heavily influenced by former Nazis as well as having been infiltrated by former Nazis) conducted many experiments in the 60’s including with '___' and other drug regimens to breed a super soldier.

As JackFlap has pointed out there are some grains of tantalizing knowledge and euphemisms in the bible and two of them of great note provide some clues.

When Yahweh supposedly made Eve from one of Adam’s ribs did he use one of these ribs?



Or did he use one of these ribs????



Now the next fascinating bible story is the story of Eber/Ever and how he fathered many races. I will rely on JackFlap to look up the passage if he wants but Eber/Ever appears to have fathered multiple generations of offspring over the course of hundreds of years but more importantly the way the story reads he actually was travelling back and forth in time and looping time to have done it!

Ever’s/Eber’s children weren’t just the Israelites but all the races in the Middle East which is why he earned the distinction of Father of Many Peoples.

When you combine that with the creation myths of Ur and the Anunnaki mixing water and mud together to form man I think what we are seeing are ancient accounts of Test Tube Breeding by some of the Flood Survivors to in essence repopulate the planet after most of the population was wiped out in the flood.



It makes you wonder how wide spread DNA test tube breeding might have been based on the similarities to this.



And just as importantly but often overlooked this,



Oh but how music calms the savage beast and mimics so often the vibration frequencies that the electrical charge that sparks our bodies hums along too.

So I think we really have to first ask ourselves if pre-flood peoples used DNA test tubing to create humans quickly after the flood did they actually use their own DNA or did they use a modified DNA? Did they too try to breed a super soldier or were certain attributes withheld and eliminated to make us more docile and manageable or were certain other attributes added that would make us prone to violence or extreme forms of useful physical labor?

Can we really be sure if people’s before the flood did survive through some Noah’s Ark like odyssey that we physically from a molecule and DNA standpoint share the exact same features and characteristics they did?

Could it be that part of the apocalyptical prophecies of humankind’s destruction for being wicked and inferior be because we were designed in part to be inferior either by accident or design and the conventional wisdom amongst pre-flood survivors was that at some point we would have to be eliminated and the process started from scratch all over again?

Then number two in specific regards to Hitler and the Nazis were they following these ancient clues looking for recipes of how to genetically alter or breed humans through DNA by scouring the ancient places where the clues suggested this in fact might have occurred?

Which leads to the next question in regards to that, while I remain convinced Hitler’s genocidal programs towards the Jews were primarily aimed at making the new Israel a desirable place despite its provincial flavor and lack of urbanized amenities and economic opportunities much of the world’s cosmopolitan Jewry was accustomed to and favored or…

Was he also or exclusively trying to wipe out a DNA strand that he found particular threatening or particularly deficient in his and his scientist’s and philosopher’s minds?


H. P. Blavatsky was given “The Secret Doctrine” by the Masters of wisdom through telepathy; in the same way Alice Bailey was given the Teachings by Dwaj Khul, they were channeled by spirit entities that posed as benevolent creatures to advance mankind.

It is well known that the birth of the Nazi Party is connected to the Thule Society. The Thule’s were basically a “secret society” that was in pursuit of occult esoteric knowledge. The Thule Society was formed about 1914, and grew to over 1,500 members. Its membership was varied from all different people.

It included the wealthy, judges, lawyers, police, university professors, scientists, physicians and businessmen. The Occultic Thule Society was named after the mythical hyperborean Aryan culture that is alleged to have existed northwest of Norway sometime before the dawn of history. The hyperboreans were the root race that spawned the current root race homo- sapiens.

The Thules believed they descended from the Aryans, a race of Causcasian “supermen” that lived nearly a million years ago. These same concepts are connected to the occult view of the continent of Lemuria (Mu) and Atlantis.

The Thules were occupied in a propaganda war against the Jews. They convince the German public of a sinister Jewish conspiracy blaming them for nearly all of Germany's problems.

The similarity to the secret doctrine of the occultists cannot be overlooked. “Creation is not finished. Man is clearly approaching a phase of metamorphosis. The earlier human species has already reached the stage of dying out.... All of the force of creation will be concentrated in a new species... [which] will surpass infinitely modern man.... Do you understand now the profound meaning of our National Socialist movement?” (Adolf Hitler, quoted by Hermann Rauschning, Hitler ma'a dit [Hitler Speaks] p.147, translated in The Occult and the Third Reich, Jean and Michel Angebert, p.178.)

Cumbey: “While Hitler was in Vienna pursuing a career as an archi­tect and artist, he spent his spare time in occult bookstores and libraries, acquainting himself with the mysteries of metaphysical lore and gaining the acquaintance of adepts in both “white” and “black” magic. Transcendent states of consciousness and mind expansion fascinated him and he devoted every spare cent and minute to the pursuit of higher consciousness. Yoga, astrology, Eastern and Western “paths” to this goal proved too slow for his ambitions and like many impetuous New Agers of today, he decided to accelerate the process by supplementing meditation with drugs [Mescaline] ( p.101”the Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow”)



letusreason.org

Not only was Hitler very interested in these things his interest stemmed from his Roman Catholic Schooling and upbringing!


Contance Cumbey, in her book “The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow” summarized Hitler’s path to being Germany’s messianic figure: “While still a very young child, Hitler was initiated into the finer mysteries of the occult. He attended a Benedictin monastery school near his German home. “The occult interests Hitler gained in this school, stayed with him all of his adult life and helped to shape his future spiritual philosophy.”


letusreason.org

It is in theory entirely possible if this kind of DNA tampering and breeding was used in the ancient past that it and likely it alone is what makes the notion of “Ancient Royal Bloodlines” as being in a ruling and leadership category of people more plausible as these rare DNA lines might have all or most of the pre-flood people’s makeup that makes them superior in intellect, physique or even spirit too as a result.

Considering we know Rome adulterated and altered many combined religious texts and teachings to come up with the Holy Roman Bible it’s a fairly safe assumption they kept in their possession the unaltered original manuscripts and works.

Is what’s at the heart of mankind’s problems faulty DNA hastily put together by pre-survivors in a post flood world?




[edit on 22/3/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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Rome doesn't back down, this may be true. But Rome also knows that sometimes you have to step back, reconfigure, and then move forward. Currently the Church is under attack. Acts of perversion are chipping away, constantly at their revenue flow. The faithful are becoming disillusioned (usually, only to assume a whole different illusion).


Consider for a moment that this too was known and in fact was allowed to happen. Remember that every move is carefully crafted and usually derives an emotional response from the populace. To you and I we see the horror of the scandal and we instinctively recoil from it.

Some will think, I always knew they weren't on the level. Some will think that the religion itself is a reason for their behavior and distance themselves even further. Some will laugh inwardly and say good for them and secretly enjoy the chaos that has erupted over the scandal and it reinforces their belief that all the Christians are in fact insane.

Some of the truly faithful will blame the Devil and pray for the faith to overcome the scandal but will know that the Vatican is now embroiled in a huge scandal and is very busy trying to prevent more of the same and desperately trying to reconcile with those that were affected. Everyone now knows that they are in trouble. You must step back and consider that this is in fact a mere step in a massive plan.

Consider for a moment the state of the world. We are engaged in a holy war of sorts aren't we? Former President Bush let slip the word Crusade when addressing the public and has stated that God told him to invade Iraq. The Muslims point to the Israeli and Palestinian conflict and the fact that Christians are occupying their holy lands. God is in fact being fought over very publicly. The Temple Mount is at a boiling point.

Yet the very authority on the subject matter is conveniently silent. We cannot look to the Vatican for guidance and we do not expect it from them. They, after all, have been rendered useless by some of us because of this very scandal. We don't want to hear from a group of pedophiles and they are far too busy covering their own tracks and making restitution to those who were harmed. The truly faithful understand that they are dealing with satanic forces, the unbelievers or those on the line in that regard are cognizant that the Vatican can offer no help because of what has gone on.

Haven't you wondered why the authority on this conflict, the holy war, has nothing to offer us in the way of understanding one another? The Pope can call a world press conference whenever he wants to. He could explain that God would not want us killing eachother over Him and that we should all lay down our arms and embrace God. He could tell us all to pray to our God and ask God to show us what He meant for us because we have all lost our way and that the current course we are on is not what He would have us doing. Yet, we hear nothing.

You see, Rome will not back down. Even when you think they have, we perpetuate their plan unknowingly. They have formulated a plan whereby we will be our own undoing in the end. We will get exactly what we want and it will be exactly what Rome wants us to want and they will merely appease our desires. They are a crafty son of a bitch and to realize their potential is to realize their plan. They have covered all angles and they left no possibility for an escape. No my friend, Rome will not back down nor will they be staggered.



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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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i asked some about this but to all who could had something, please tell me

Protoplasmictraveler's theory, that the ancient roman empire, has become a underground secret empire over the time, hidden behind a complex matrix of corrupted: '' kingdoms, religious and political organisations, corporations and secret societies '', to avoid the world to understand they are controlled and manipulated by an empire, towards a blueprinted, one world empire agenda...is fascinating but what do you think, could it really be it...could the ancient roman empire is, the most powerful secret society at the top of the pyramid, the architect of the universe, who secretly control our world since Julius Caesar?

tks



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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Im sorry but, thats untrue. They believed (as Proto mentioned) the 'master race' came from Norway and that parts of Norway constituted leftover parts of Atlantis. Germanic tribes derive from Norse tribes as you can see in language and culture. Traditionally, they say culture moved 'up'. I believe it moved 'down'. It appears this way to me geographically and archaologically (is that a word?). Why would people move up in to harsher colder climate any way, when they were used to hotter climates?

There is archaological evidence that we have been living in Norway for 80,000 years and circumstantial evidence that we have living there 200,000 years.

April 1940 the Nazis invaded Norway believing they would basically be greeted with kindness as they were their descendents, nope we resisted as best we could despite our supposed 'racial ties'.

Iceland was one of the SS final stop, but the British had illegally occupied it, as you know Iceland is the last stronghold for Norse culture, last to be Christianised, closest living language to Old Norse (still have one rune in their alphabet!). Allegedly they believed Iceland was a mountain region of Atlantis, or at least a waypoint.

They didnt believe India was their people per se but they may have believed it was the origin.

I believe exactly the same, that Hitler was the poster boy for everyone to rally behind, probably groomed for his position, my fairly recent theory is Himmler was the mastermind, but I dont know enough to say for certain. I have a biography to read!


reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
 

It was well before the CIA. I know the Brits first experimented it there is a video that always makes me laugh of their soldiers trying to work on '___'. See if I can find it

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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Wont let me edit so:



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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Nazi anthropologists expedition to Tibet highlighted the people were, in their opinion, quite close to their Aryan race. Eugenics doctors believed it was a possible link to their "master race."

I certainly was not suggesting it was "their people" in Tibet. But traces of it.



According to the adherents to Ariosophy, the Aryan was a "master race" that built a civilization that dominated the world from Atlantis about ten thousand years ago. This alleged civilization declined when other parts of the world were colonized after the 8,000 BC destruction of Atlantis because the inferior races mixed with the Aryans but it left traces of their civilization in Tibet (via Buddhism), and even in Central America, South America, and Ancient Egypt.


Ayran race

It is interesting to note, as others have pointed out, the master race or "super human" concept of Nazism and the Italian fascist philosopher Julius Evola were taken up by the CIA. Even the fascist concept and role of the family, within society, is a policy still defended and encourage by the political right.

Slightly changing topic, but if you review the economy policy of the fascist government of Italy (during the Great Depression), notice the method of rescuing the economy is identical to the current global stimulus and bailout packages present today.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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Now the next fascinating bible story is the story of Eber/Ever and how he fathered many races. I will rely on JackFlap to look up the passage if he wants but Eber/Ever appears to have fathered multiple generations of offspring over the course of hundreds of years but more importantly the way the story reads he actually was travelling back and forth in time and looping time to have done it! Ever’s/Eber’s children weren’t just the Israelites but all the races in the Middle East which is why he earned the distinction of Father of Many Peoples.


Eber is mentioned in the lineages and it is very confusing. I believe this is by design as well. Notice that Eber lived four hundred and thirty years. As the lineage continues, the ages also decrease?


Genesis 11:14-19 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber: 15 and Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters. 16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg: 17 and Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters. 18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Re'u: 19 and Peleg lived after he begat Re'u two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.


It gets even more confusing when you fast forward to the book of Chronicles which is a time in the Bible, I believe, when the first Kings were established. Notice that Eber gave birth to a son named Peleg and he was given this name because in his days the earth was divided.


1Chronicles 1:19 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan.


Certainly the lineage in the book of Genesis and Chronicles could not be the same lineages. Or maybe they are. Like I mentioned, following these lineages in the Bible is very confusing. They offer tantalizing clues but I for one cannot discern what the message is.

Like what does it mean when it says that the earth was divided? How did these people live for all of those years? Why is the lineage of Eber and Peleg mentioned in Genesis and Chronicles? Confusing as all get out which may be by design. I looked a little further and found this very interesting bit of information from our ever loving wiki source.


In Jewish tradition, Eber, the great-grandson of Shem, refused to help with the building of the Tower of Babel, so his language was not confused when it was abandoned. He and his family alone retained the original human language, Hebrew, a language named after Eber (Heber), also called lingua humana in Latin.


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Why would he have refused to help in the building of the tower? If in fact mankind was all one and united and whatever they imagined they could accomplish. Given this tradition that is mentioned, I believe Eber would not have been a part of the collective conscious at that time thereby limiting their true potential. Which leads me back to the fact that in Chronicles they say that during Peleg's time the earth was divided. Doesn't the Bible tell us also that mankind was one and yet we have division.

Given all this, I believe the Nazi's were in fact looking for something in their conquest and it had to do with the very origins of everything we know. Did they accomplish their task and submit to the conclusion of a 'play'? Or is their task ongoing and actively being pursued by Rome's modern day armies? We know of the Museum's in Iraq being secured first after the second invasion and we see the public being groomed to accept an invasion of Iran or ancient Persia. Very, very interesting.

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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by jackflap
Given all this, I believe the Nazi's were in fact looking for something in their conquest and it had to do with the very origins of everything we know. Did they accomplish their task and submit to the conclusion of a 'play'? Or is their task ongoing and actively being pursued by Rome's modern day armies? We know of the Museum's in Iraq being secured first after the second invasion and we see the public being groomed to accept an invasion of Iran or ancient Persia. Very, very interesting.


The Americans were recovering historical items from Sumerian society, especially-according to some-in reference to the Annunaki.

Regarding the Nazi's: are you aware the KGB carried out vast amount of archaeological expeditions in Egypt? The Nazi's officials, who grabbed by the Soviets, are believed to be the source of the bizarre interest in Egyptian mythology. KGB, were allege, to have found not only the tomb but the possible remains of the god Osiris.

The CIA, too, were reported to shown interest into Egypt. Notably the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid. NASA were too contacted, regarding the investigations. Linked to 'Cydonia' region of Mars.

There is a thread on ATS about this, I'll locate it and U2U it to you



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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Slightly changing topic, but if you review the economy policy of the fascist government of Italy (during the Great Depression), notice the method of rescuing the economy is identical to the current global stimulus and bailout packages present today.


You make an excellent point and the truth is that the American Oligarchs and Luminaries many of whom are/were of Germanic Heritage are known to have heavily financed both Mussolini’s and Hitler’s rise to power along with their fascist parties but also openly touted it here in the United States as a model of productivity and efficiency.

That of course didn’t go over to well in Post World War I America still suspicious after being stung by European duplicities and manipulations in World War I and its negotiated settlements in the aftermath.

Yet as the old adage goes if at first you don’t succeed try, try again. Europe, the UK and the United States are arguably on a path towards true fascism at this point which it the amalgamation of corporations and government.

The driving factions here in America back in the 20’s, 30’s and 40’s for the most part have their grand children or in some cases there children propelling this same agenda again today.

Which brings me back to my most recent post in regards to our DNA and whether it could have been modified to make us especially susceptible to the same manipulations over and over again because of some deficiency engineered into it that makes it hard for us to comprehend and especially defend some basic simple truths through recognition?

While its thought that a lot of differences between various races have to do with climatology factors peculiar to those particular regions there is no denying that there are differences genetically amongst the race and an even huger difference between men and women. If the Bible’s creation story has any factual basis at all clearly creating a woman to be an opposite and different creature to man was just taking one part of man and modifying it to engineer a similar creature but with very different attributes and physical features and physiology as well.

So then how much of this tampering might have occurred and in relation to the present day it is rumored that many of the American and European oligarchs can trace their bloodlines back into antiquity and possibly beyond.

Have we been engineered to be especially pliable and are we all capable of focusing on complex situations and circumstances and accurately seeing them for what they are.

Let’s consider a moment someone like Yahweh was a flood survivor, and more importantly an unhappy floor survivor who didn’t agree with some of the molecular engineering his fellow survivors were creating and how they were employing those creations.

We can and could easily imagine that man in his primitive state would have an extremely hard time comprehending pre-flood sciences and verbiage having never been exposed to it in its original context. Explanations of DNA breeding would have all sounded Greek to such people.

Explanations of these things to the general populace would have had to have been described to them in the very simplest of terms aimed at their comprehension level. Those explanations would have gotten even simpler in terms as man then relayed them to their fellow man.

Today we are familiar with what DNA is but a 100 years ago an explanation of it to the average person would have sounded totally crazy and beyond their comprehension. 400 years ago trying to explain it to the average person would have likely found you burned at the stake for heresy.

If we were to take just a relatively everyday piece of modern technology like a digital camera back a thousand years in time and tried to explain how it worked to the average person by taking it apart and showing them all the components and what each one did and how it was made and why that too would have sounded like Greek to them yet when they recounted it in stories to one another it would probably have gone something like this “And the magical one who appeared from no where dressed in heavenly garb captured my image and essence and held it up before me and said behold this you, and I looked into it and I saw me!”

Doesn’t exactly sound like an afternoon at the Olin Mill’s Portrait Studio but its likely how such a person at such a point in time would describe having their picture taken by a modern time traveler and then having it shown to them on the camera’s display.

No telling just how that story would sound after being retold a few thousand times from mouth to mouth?

Yet certainly some of the wiser and more learned people of the day who encountered the same scenario would have grasped it much more accurately as a technology just one that they didn’t have the background to truly understand or master.

They might very well have likely described it differently more like this “There was a strange static charge of electricity and standing there was a man very much like me but dressed in such a manner as I have never seen before. He had with him a metallic box that he disassembled and explained to me it was a machine for capturing a person’s image like a painter does a portrait. It appeared to be made out of glass and metals and some other durable materials the likes of which I had never seen. Some how the device created its own light brighter than a candle but utilizing more the principles of lightening than fire. With a simple manipulation of the device there was a bright flash of light and then he turned it around and showed me a remarkable lighted image of what I knew to be me. Exactly how the device worked and I can not say, but it was something of true intrigue and wonder.”

That account would have likely ended up in government, church or royal hands and suppressed in favor of allowing the simple earlier story that inspired fear and trepidation versus academic curiosity to make the rounds.

It is almost as if we long to be dazzled by supercilious and superficial explanations and tales of things and people and beings bigger and greater than us.

Pre-Flood survivors would have appeared superior in every way shape and form to the primitive men to the point of being godlike, however superior in and of itself does not necessarily denote competency.

Perhaps we were bred and intended to take things up to a certain point and then to be replaced with yet another version for what comes next?

What is not hard to say for the better part of 2,000 years Rome has played a hand in deciding what technologies and what medicines and what histories are appropriate for us and when?


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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 11:18 AM
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From what I learned and read, it was the opposite, they believed the Tibetans were not sufficient, but they believed they had elements of the CULTURE. They were explicitly interested in them as the seemed to have survived the great flood culture intact.

I have a book that mentions 'racial theory' and explicitly states 'Mongoloid' (Asian) is far removed genetically, in fact 'Whites' and 'Blacks' are very close and neither is close to 'Mongoloid', in genotype and phenotype. Maybe its wrong though.

They very much believed in 'Thule' (tool), and Hyperborea, as the northern origins of humanity, as the leftovers of Atlantis after it 'sunk', and they very much believe in "superiority" because of what is basically evolutionary science, harsh climate made stronger people. I dont personally believe any one is superior, I am just saying what they believe.

I hate to say it but I have known a neo-nazi before and he told me a lot about their beliefs, so I do have firsthand account of what they thought... Im sure people will use that to demonise me but I never agreed with their beliefs... I dont usually judge people. If I had known that before meeting though maybe I would have avoided him altogether though... just saying.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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I dont usually judge people. If I had known that before meeting though maybe I would have avoided him altogether though... just saying.


Please don't let your human side show too much! Just kidding. Had I been given the chance to explore that side of the saga, I too would have engaged this individual. There is nothing wrong with that and no one is judging you. Would you judge me if I told you I spoke with Hitler himself?



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
It is almost as if we long to be dazzled by supercilious and superficial explanations and tales of things and people and beings bigger and greater than us.

Not almost, its true. We'd rather hear sci-fi than interesting truth. We prefer to watch James Cameron make billions with a plagiarised corny-ass alien tale than something that actually affects us like Syriana.



Perhaps we were bred and intended to take things up to a certain point and then to be replaced with yet another version for what comes next?

What is not hard to say for the better part of 2,000 years Rome has played a hand in deciding what technologies and what medicines and what histories are appropriate for us and when?


Sounds very evil-Blavatsky-esque. She preached 'root races' would succeed each other. The Nazis loved her stories.

For the technology it reminds me of ipod, they released ipod photo and everyone ate it up for $500. Couple months later they release ipod video and everyone buys that for 800. They have the technology for everything in advance, and only release it after theyve profitted off the previous version.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 11:58 AM
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Eber is mentioned in the lineages and it is very confusing. I believe this is by design as well. Notice that Eber lived four hundred and thirty years. As the lineage continues, the ages also decrease?


What is very peculiar about Ever/Eber’s story is that it appears that once born he actually went back in time to father children who were then born chronologically before him.

You know what they say; a stitch in time saves nine!

So in my humble opinion what we are seeing in the story are three elements that today we can much better comprehend because of new technologies and what we have come to believe in are some of the possibilities of new technology.

It truly does appear as Ever/Eber was traveling back and forth in time to single handedly build up a population of certain peoples. It appears like it could have very easily involved the use of DNA and test tube reproduction.

What it also illustrates is that the world was divided between two schools of thought by the survivors of the flood.

Clearly there was a disagreement on how the post flood world should proceed and what its focus and makeup should be.

The fact that we ended up with Rome’s version of events probably doesn’t bode well for just who came out on top and why.

It looks like one faction was intent on recapturing the glory and magnificence of the pre-flood world while another faction was just looking for expedience and productivity in repopulating the world and laying claim to all its resources once more and controlling it.

It is likely the more peace loving and sentient and spiritual beliefs of one group was eventually stamped out by the latter more ruthless and dominant group that then set about more or less trying to erase all the knowledge and legends of the pre-flood world and what it was like in favor of rapidly expanding their dominion over the entire globe through almost a parasitical like form of barbarism and aggression aimed at eliminating divisions through the very exploitation of the differences in those divisions to convince individual disparate groups at various points in time that they were destined to be supreme and that morality and the notion of God and what God wanted would favor them in indulging those beasts.

When you start to consider that survivors of a pre-flood world armed with superior technology and medicine but very limited numbers would have had an interest in making the most out of the catastrophe as well as trying to eventually duplicate the good old days, but having to do it with a quickly spawned and engineered race of peoples then you can in fact see and read tell tale signs of all this occurring in the Bible but simply put forth in a way that makes it look like one divine entity whose wisdom and benevolence should not be questioned was the driving force.

That singular contrived entity could always be evoked as a grand authority and guide by governments, priests and rulers while the actual facts of great but defunct civilization at odds on how to proceed in rebuilding a world would have always been subject then to that similar debate that plagued the flood survivors.

Should they slowly build a perfect and ideal world, or should they rapidly repopulate the world just to get at its resources so they could one day begin to reproduce in mass the previous technology that because of a lack of production facilities and raw resources was becoming antiquated itself?

The earth and indeed humans appear to go back a significant portion in time than the creation myths do.

I do believe some of the creation myths like the Story of Ever/Eber are in large part about those post flood struggles and challenges by pre-flood survivors.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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Proto I have a couple of questions for you in that you seem to be very knowledgeable on this subject And deals in many levels and have researched Rome thoroughly and I find you version very close to what I have come to believe , admittedly I have been stuck with the Rothschild’s conspiracy for some time and then started to wonder that if I can find out this info so easy and it’s there for all to see then perhaps they are decoys or scapegoats , nevertheless I have been of that conviction since that is what make most sense
Then I met the Rastafari Who told me in a way that I could comprehend that all happens and that it is God’s will , I know that you are of the belief that the Bible is The Roman Empires fabrication however the Africans associated claims it’s the Ethiopian legacy and that once Ethiopia was not what it is today and that the name was a term used as the legacy of the entire Continent. Now seeing we are talking in ancient beliefs and that you earlier have spoken of that Gods are in fact leaders or Empires working for a purpose, if It was not you who said this I apologize for the mix up.

Nevertheless through the teachings of Rastafari they told me that we are all part of god and that what happens is Gods will because we contribute each and everyone to the Creation that is life in all forms
That as you state Islam and Judaism and Christianity are really the same thing but have been interpreted differently through time and as a result due to humans way of thinking have lead to so much suffering throughout the ages and also that in their version nothing is forbidden there are sets of rules as in any other type of system and to know it all one must dedicate him or herself fully to understand it , but it is entirely up to the person whether or not to accept this . That God speaks to us through interaction with each other, that children belongs to God seeing that Children is never judgmental and always curious in the early ages and have no problems asking about stuff and to make friends easily without having motives other than that of joy , this is the embodiment of what God was in the beginning they admit fully that a lot of bad things have happened and that all cultures have made mistakes over the ages as a result of their interpretations. The saying thou shall have no other gods but me is explained to mean that the well being of humans comes before buildings art and science so as not to exclude or overlook any one in favor of advancements because all this can be achieved when we understand each other as one being , just like nature we have things we must do to feel joy and one of those is to serve the lord this means that when a friend asks you a favor and you help him or her paint the house you are the lords servant and next time you may ask a favor and then you are the lord and he the servant. So when people read that the lord said do this and to that, like the wars it is merely different leaders of those groups saying that and in some cases God in the version you have explained Earlier . They also state that when living in this society you are bowing to Caesar and the pope Italy and Rome. That all gods were human , and sought after different things in this life and still does but the key to happiness is realization you don’t need all the things you are told you need that true gold is knowledge wisdom and understanding through love that you get with experience and socializing with others and the natural things , take work for example I myself hate the way education works and the dull task of standing behind a counter or something else like it, that lead me to seek out what is going on in the world as I became convinced that something is wrong. They told me to work for God and by that they meant saying positive things so as not to bring people in despair .



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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CONTINUATION … and to work with for example children or humans in general as we are all each other’s teachers , they recognize existence of secret societies, the banks ect but the only way to change that in their view and this has also become my conviction is to let go of politics and do not take part in it neither take part in organized religion that can sound like a bit of a contradiction when they themselves uses the bible and observe holy days themselves, but this is to keep in touch and remembering what is important , they also say that Just like martial arts it all about repetition and repetition until one get it and the body remembers it and the heart too, also it is claimed that the observance of holy days goes back to a natural cycle where the body has to rest in a balance with all that is natural . The essence of it all boils down to that what truly makes
One happy is to work and to play and to explore and love all natural things and all this we had in the beginning. Without technology there was natural selection there was work in the field, cooking and exploring everything was an adventure IMO now we know a lot or are being told we know and thus nothing is as exiting creating a void to some that leads to unhappiness because of our own invented way of life is unnatural, this can of course be debated as well as all the other views . Also the country Israel according to them has nothing to do with Israel in the biblical sense Israel in its etymological roots says it means the one who strives with god so its not originally a country but an conviction of one’s heart . Same goes for Jerusalem which in its etymological meaning translate into Foundation of peace and that comes from within oneself. Now the thing is these Rastafari beliefs is not the version we see today with reggae music and some have violent opinions against whatever group, those who I have been living with says that music is good but only in natural form meaning non electrical and that in the times we live in really don’t have time to do this and should focus on helping each other in all aspects and there is no limit to who, it is all who must rise to the understanding of the common good for all and let go of the ego this is not to say let go of you, but sacrifices in terms of one’s personal preferences must be made to achieve a higher goal and that is to get freedom and personal choice back to all, that can only be accomplished through dedication and conviction and there is no way around it
What do you think of these views?
In regards to Rome, what is your position on Ethiopia seeing that they have attempted invasion and conquest but apparently failed ?
That Ethiopia has been a sovereign nation the last 2000 years now I talk about the actual country ?
That Rastafari believes in a kingdom with a king but that king can only be the one who has the insight to guide for the purpose of the well being of human kind and not greed or self interest
That they view Haile Selassie I as that king who have held such speeches as this: www.mtholyoke.edu...
and this: media.abovetopsecret.com...
the first was held in Geneva Switzerland at the league of nations in 1938
the second is and audio from UN general assembly in 1963
the first exposes Italy Rome for what it is IMO
the Second talks common sense again without saying it points the finger for all to see
I hope you will read and listen to the audio and comment what you think of this or know of this
And the position that Rastafari view him as that king.



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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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CONTINUATION 3...the first exposes Italy Rome for what it is IMO
the Second talks common sense again without saying it points the finger for all to see
I hope you will read and listen to the audio and comment what you think of this or know of this
And the position that Rastafari view him as that king.

You stated earlier that nothing would make the elites happier than for people to wake up and take responsibility to lighten their burden..or something in the lines of that , could it be that such people as those I have mentioned might be selected or do they pose to big of a threat , in that they want everyone to be happy and when the time comes abandon much of modern society in favor of a more natural one ?

And for fun and speculation
What do you believe the flood was and what caused it? everyone can answer this

You have also said that the old Roman Empire almost got bankrupt due to entertainment and that they paid for the roman citizens well being as long as they were a part of the system …so what would happen if the entire population refused to fight wars, and went on welfare in rebellion of their hypocrisy


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posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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Ah my good friends the Rastafarians. The Rastafarians are thinkers I will give them that but sadly most of their thought are in the circular trap of the Bible.

They have complex beliefs involved regarding the Bible and many of them believe it and of itself is a magical book with supernatural powers of its own that they have devised rituals exclusive to them in harnessing.

Sadly for them most of it appears to be the works of voodoo styled charlatans who pray upon the inherent desires of blacks to be racially and intellectually superior and to posses a far greater power for their collective good than they collectively posses.

The Bible creates a true circle that as long as you stay immersed in it or look primarily to it is always going to bring you right back to the same starting point and is always going to exclude almost everything outside of it.

Ethiopia is in fact an ancient place and steeped in many ancient secrets as a result. The Zionists by the way were originally offered Ethiopia by the British as a Jewish homeland though the Zionists rejected it conditionally as they continued to hold out for Palestine itself.

The Ethiopian monarchy that ended in the 20th century with Haile Selassie was the longest running continuous bloodline rule in all of recorded history.

The Rastafarians idolize Selassie who they claim sent the Queen of England a tiny little toy dog that roared instead like a lion that almost drove her to madness as their stories go.

They believe that other rituals were the accused and the accuser take separate ends of the Bible and physically wrestle over it will wring out the truth of the situation and many other things those charlatans and showmen manipulate them with often while they are imbibing in prodigious amounts of marijuana intake.

They believe the white race to be tragically flawed and intent upon its own doom and many other things and believe Jesus lived and was dark skinned and many other things that just create a belief system locked within a belief system.

They are great thinkers though and I have had many productive conversations with Rastafarians, Miami where I live has quite a large Jamaican population.

There are Haitians and other Caribbean and Bahamians that take part in the Rastafarian religious practices.

They are capable of thinking outside of the box when you show them what is outside the box and good at contemplating the meanings and ramifications of those things but as many people are prone to when things get too deep or too troubling they go right back to their bible inspired roots to try to place it into biblical context.

That’s the real circular trap and danger of religion in that it provides a comforting and familiar box for those who have become reliant upon it and place faith in it that ultimately they then want to use as a yardstick for measuring everything else.

As far as the Rothschild family goes which are by the way known as the Papal Rothschild Family and most of their titles do in fact originate from the Vatican or were granted by monarchies with the Vatican’s blessing they are simply one of many heads of Rome that are designed to confuse people by enticing them to focus on just one singular element.

The problem is though as far as the Roman conspiracy goes is there is not one single legion involved but in fact many, some working in tandem, some working at cross purposes to actually through those frictions create the desired sum without giving them the precise formula for arriving at it.

Rome is masterful at deception and casting eyes in other directions and when all else fails because most people have been taught to think of Rome simply now as the Vatican or the Pope instead of the greater Empire they tend to then always end up going back to religion and its many guises to try to solve and make sense of the enigma and mystery that is Rome.

Of course they go back to the same religious texts that were designed to trap them into circular forms of thinking and to take the most serious elements on sheer faith alone.

It’s a very effective trap because the more sound your argument and reasoning is for getting out of the trap and abandoning the trap, the more powerful the temptation becomes to believers to view that as a form of test. I must have faith, I must believe, my mortal soul hangs in the balance!

Alrighty then!

In the end it ends up seldom being about the truth but simply what people have come to believe to be the truth. The Rastafarians certainly do have their own unique take on it that they have come to believe and believe is the truth.

What we do see is just like the Catholics, Protestants, Presbyterians, etc. and the Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews, and the Sunni and the Shiite Muslims they all believe what they have interpreted from the same God and the same base texts and adding their own cultural interpretations are true too, and sadly each of them would like to be right and it has never occurred to any of them that they all could be wrong, but rather just the people who don’t believe exactly as they do are wrong.

When people look to interpret religious texts which have all been written in vague and often contradictorily and confusing ways as divine and the work of the divine and what the divine meant all in fact it does is create that purposeful well laid dividing trap for people.

When you step outside of the box and realize that they are all written by man, and then rewritten by man, and interpreted by man and reinterpreted by man and have each spawned a culture like the Rastafarians and that each culture is diametrically opposed to one another to a murderous and intolerable extent and see how that has benefited man it gets much easier to understand then in those human terms.

The universal law of confusion being what it is, people are certainly free to keep looking at that book, and looking at that book, and rethinking it and contemplating it and trying to make some sense out of it but at some point people ought to consider the underlying reality and that is that the Book doesn’t make sense, except as a tool for dividing and conquering and creating controversy and chaos and then a form of dissociated order through how those in cultural authority interpret it and impose if for the masses.

In my humble opinion the Rastafarians are a couple steps ahead of most but also lag a couple of steps behind in some other important areas.

They are far more open minded and willing to consider things though than many of the religiously inspired are and that is to their credit.

Thanks for asking.



posted on Mar, 22 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Was he also or exclusively trying to wipe out a DNA strand that he found particular threatening or particularly deficient in his and his scientist’s and philosopher’s minds?




The Nazi doctor Josef Mengele is responsible for the astonishing number of twins in a small Brazilian town, an Argentine historian has claimed.

The steely hearted "Angel of Death", whose mission was to create a master race fit for the Third Reich, was the resident medic at Auschwitz from May 1943 until his flight in the face of the Red Army advance in January 1945.

His task was to carry out experiments to discover by what method of genetic quirk twins were produced – and then to artificially increase the Aryan birthrate for his master, Adolf Hitler.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Telegrap h

Josef Mengele and Himmler knew or discovered something on their numerous explorations and experiments on different races. And, yes, the concentration program became the "Final Solution", which resulted in the policy to eradicate Jewish DNA from Europe.

The regime traced back generation after generation, on citizens, to determined whether or not you were a Jew. This was a brutal policy to literally destroy an ethnicity. Not only Jewish, but we must remember those with mental or physical disabilities were also exterminated.

After the elimination of all "undesirables" (as the Nazi's described them), the Lebensborn program would of transferred to all of conquered Europe. Himmler's goal of an all blonde, blue eyed children would've been created on a massive scale. Selected partners and sex, then "Germanisation" of the current children in government re-education camps.

Of course, this was not the DNA manipulation that exists today or the post-flood survivors had, but the Nazi's understood you could "play God."

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Thanks for the answer although as I stated Rastafari not Rastafarians because the view themselves as on and only one working through unity . that said the so called rastafarians in Miami has nothing to do with Rastafari as Holy Emanuel I say because they view Jamaica as their home when in
fact it belongs to the Arawak Indians and not the African people who was sent or dropped their during slavery. Also the man has returned home to uplift the people in Africa so those staying behind and listening to reggae music and smoking weed has no right to call themselves rastafari and they know so they changed it to Rastafarian's , That said smoking weed is optional as they view everything that comes from nature a pure source but like anything else to much is never good , but men cannot forbid what is given to man by God/life/nature in their view( edit to ad the Rastafarian's are of course part of the whole but Rastafri won't associate with such people who doesn't want to bring the realization of the vision into work at home it is not so far as I know to deny people but simply because If you want to play music and party and smoke and not study then you will delay or drag others down, I can see the logic in that also the view you explain in your post is nothing like what I wrote Rastafari does not think its a magical book the believe in contains the wisdom of the ages and the history of our collective understanding and it is written in the living god name this means that what you interpret through it is what you are currently able to see above all else its about Man as part of god not and outside god I asked you to comment on this view (review previous post again to see what I mean. I understand your view regarding the Bible as you understand it that is why i posted such and explanation as I did to make you comment on that view . when it comes to Haile Selassie I, Rastafari would laugh at the tale about the dog sounding like a lion , but you could IMO say that Rome might view him as a dog and when he spoke at the league of nations he roared like a Lion that is more the truth in my opinion but I could be mistaken thats why I would Like you to read and listen to it . Then their is the other questions I have reposted as I feel they haven't been answered .

1) In regards to Rome, what is your position on Ethiopia seeing that they have attempted invasion and conquest but apparently failed ?(here I mean for or against Rome and maybe as to why

2that Ethiopia has been a sovereign nation the last 2000 years now I talk about the actual country ? (you said its ancient and mysterious and had the oldest bloodline monarchy, does that not mean its older than that of Britannica/England as you talked about earlier?

3)could it be that this is the oppsition to the PTB after the flood and before?

4) do I take it that you believe they are also part of the Rome legacy according to your convictions ?

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