At the very top, less than 12 men control the world. A council of 7

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And, let us add one story to the Roman conspiracy: Simon bar Kokhba.

Simon was a Jewish leader who led a very violent rebellion in 132 CE. His campaign became known as the Bar Kokhba revolt. Simon bar Kokhba proclaimed he was the messiah-and he was one of many Jewish leaders, who led violent revolts in Judea. For two years, Israel did exist outside the control of the Roman Empire. Then the Imperial War Machine butchered the leaders and any dissidents.

Israel, was no more.

Roman was alarmed about the religious extremism growing in the region, the uncomfortable climate needed drastic action. Enter, "Jesus Christ" a peaceful Jewish revolutionary leader-who rejected violence and bloody revolts against Rome. Certain historians and investigators argue Jesus Christ was fabrication of the Imperial Court to silence violence and dissidents in Judea. The New Testament Christ was constructed under the authority of Constantine the Great, who wanted the new religion documents, given to the new Roman Church and sent throughout the Empire.

All the other accounts, gnostic text, were rounded up and either destroyed and archived by Roman Church. And, this same policy of censorship, was implemented against Mary Magdalene and Judas

And it wasn't until 1948 that the Jews were able to control the land.

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Or at least shop at the local farmers markets instead of at the supermarket.

It is amazing that we pay farmers not to grow food, and yet we import food.

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Enter, "Jesus Christ" a peaceful Jewish revolutionary leader-who rejected violence and bloody revolts against Rome. Certain historians and investigators argue Jesus Christ was fabrication of the Imperial Court to silence violence and dissidents in Judea. The New Testament Christ was constructed under the authority of Constantine the Great, who wanted the new religion documents, given to the new Roman Church and sent throughout the Empire.

I realized something when I read your post. I am going to refer to the Bible again but only because I believe there are clues in it. It has to do with Jesus but it also has to do with an ongoing theme in this conspiracy that is becoming more and more clear.

You see, Rome did not want to crucify Jesus. Pilate had washed his hands and even told the public that he found no fault with Jesus. He went so far as to question them and ask shall I crucify you King? They responded by saying we have no King but Caesar!

They even threatened Pilate himself by saying he is no friend of Caesar if he lets Jesus live. The chief priests and scribes all rallied the crowds and yelled crucify him. Pilate made every effort to thwart the death of Jesus but they wanted Barabas, I believe, to be set free and not Jesus.

So Jesus was crucified and it was what the people wanted not the Roman authorities. They had no one to blame but themselves after the fact. They were left with exactly what they wanted.

Isn't that how things go now? Proto, I know you know what I am referring to. It's like the whole war on terror thing. We demand that we are protected from these extremists and let the Homeland security act and the Patriot act go unimpeded to our own detriment of freedom and privacy. There are many other examples of this.

Were the public back then groomed to accept the violence and hatred and even desired this? Are we today groomed to accept and even want the violence and hatred that permeates our world? Look at the ratings of television shows and you will have your answer.

Sex, violence and debauchery rule the agendas and our MSM is full of it. They in fact promote it. The agenda continues as it did back then. It is right in front of our eyes but we cannot see it for what it is. A plan to give us exactly what we want. Am I wrong?

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The Jewish Council, in the Province of Judea, was in the pocket of Rome. The Imperial Courts had a doctrine of "client states" and "puppet kings" (a policy, that still continues to this day)-the temple authorities were not exempted from this policy. After all, the Jews refused to recognise the authority of Emperors or the Roman Senate. Noticeably, Jews were inclined to pay taxes too.

According to the King James Version of the Bible, it was the Jewish Council who said Caesar was their leader, not Jesus. The crowd did not. Political and religious climate, from that time period, show Judea was still a hot bed for revolution and rebellion. The average Jew would not recognise the authority of Rome.

Pontius Pilate was under strict orders, from Rome, not to do anything that would result into another bloody outbreak of violence. Judea required the most Legions, for control and order, until the Roman conquest of Britain.



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John 18 33-38 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? 34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? 35Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. 38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

John 19:5-16 Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man! 6 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him. 7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. 8 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he was the more afraid; 9 and went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? 11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. 12 And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. 13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gab'batha. 14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. 16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

Infinite, I implore you to consider what is being relayed in these passages. You may believe they are carefully crafted words of man to implement an ongoing conspiracy that is millennium in the making and I cannot disagree with you because I have no proof. What is being told here is an example of what happens to us almost daily. This is the King James version, as you referenced. I don't mean to bring scripture into it but I really believe we can see the agenda that is being forced upon us.

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Canis Canem, dog eat dog. Of course there is an agenda, we are discussing organised religion. It is the siege mentality, us verses them, which has lead to religious wars and persecutions-and vast wealth for the Vatican.

Notice the passages you posted, the Chief Priests demanding the execution of Christ. Then, if you read on, the Chief Priests becomes "the Jews" and this is the authors sublimely constructing the notion that the entire Jewish population wanted Christ dead.

Throughout history, religious figures have persecuted Jews during the middle ages because they were "Christ killers." In the 1930s, with the raise of National Socialism Pope Pius XI was a part of the "conspiracy of silence", which was the Vatican ignoring the reports (from their own Bishops) of the genocidal policies occurring in Europe. Certain conspiracies suggest the Vatican even helped Nazi official's to escape trial, flee to South America and Ireland.

It is widely known the Catholic Church protected known war criminals who escaped and went on to live normal lives in Ireland.

But Christianity was, after all, a Jewish sect. Rome made it a separate religion, with its own dogma, that denounced its Jewish heritage. Paul made no reference to Jesus being an actual Jew and helped the process of disassociating Christians from Jews.

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In fact history’s most savage mass murderers – Adolf Eichmann, Dr Josef Mengele, better known as Auschwitz’s ‘Angel of Death’, Franz Stangl, commandant of the Treblinka extermination camp – escaped justice down the ‘ratline’ that ran straight through the Vatican state in Rome.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk...

There is an ongoing struggle to get documents relating to these events released. It has to do with the canonization of Pope Pius XII's as a saint. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I have no doubt about the Vatican's role in it all. It's just something that I know somehow. I believe that the agenda we are trying to reveal will in fact lead to the Roman Vatican or at least through it.

Wether or not we can rely upon the scripture above is irrelevant because it is one of the only documents we have been allowed to see. As you pointed out the switch to the masses and not the chief priests and scribes can be a little mistake that they didn't consider.

Something that has been rolling through my mind as well, is that Rome is probably not at the top.

We know about the Zionists and the Nazis and Rome... therefore its not a secret.

When they admitted to the existence of the FSK (for example) they simply made a new force, because the former had been compromised.

I have no doubt that we only know about these groups, becuase they want us to know about them: it probably serves their interests that we know. Somehow.

So basically we're still living under the line of kings that was established by the Anunnaki 13,000 years ago. It was probably much easier to do so back then, because the people were much more ignorant than they are today, they were not as spread out and there were not as many of them.
The problem came, in my opinion when people spread out all over the Earth, and got used to considering their own little corner of the planet to be all that mattered. Then the Romans came along and decided to emulate the goal of Alexander the Great, to bring civilization to the barbarians whether they wanted it or not.
All Human history since then has been divided into two narratives, those being the Romans and their successors consolidating their rule over all Mankind, and the happy but ignorant unwashed masses who have not been brought to heel yet.
I just wonder if there aren't a few Anunnaki still on Earth somewhere, monitoring the progress of their descendants, the Rothschilds with a quiet sense of satisfaction, awaiting the next approach of their homeworld so they can issue this Shar's progress report.

Originally posted by warpcrafter
So basically we're still living under the line of kings that was established by the Anunnaki 13,000 years ago.

I'm not sure what ProtoplasmicTraveler thinks, on the subject of the Anunnaki, but I do not share the notion of them being ancient astronauts. Personally, I believe the records of early man interactions with "gods", after the flood, are probably the survivors of the advance civilizations.

Under the Sphinx, in the Chamber of Knowledge, could be the technology or documents from the pre-flood civilization. We won't know, until we dig. Scans showed there is a chamber, but the Egyptian authorities will not allow any excavations.

But, any alien interaction and manipulating over government affairs may have occurred after the Second World War. But not before.

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I'm not sure what ProtoplasmicTraveler thinks, on the subject of the Anunnaki, but I do not share the notion of them being ancient astronauts.

Protoplasmic Traveler thinks we should just focus on earth problems!

The ideas about the Anunnaki and a great reptilian conspiracy and other theories is like the beliefs in God(s) it features the central notion that man is always under powered and human destiny is controlled by some much more powerful universal force than just humans.

In other words it’s just another way that people use to convince themselves that things are the way they are not because of people but because of some Omnipotent God or because of some super technologically advanced race of off world beings.

Now so people can see how this thinking affects us negatively lets start with something we hear often:

1. It’s God’s will

When ever people say that its usually as a form of consolation for something(s) that make little or no sense, some great tragedy, some great oppression, or some great crime has occurred. For instance in the immediate aftermath of the devastating Haitian Earthquake the deeply religious Haitians chalked it all up to God’s will.

If the Government(s) possess earthquake making technology though blaming it on a God that in theory no human has equal power too sure would be convenient for any government that might have earthquake making technology and used it, since they are in fact humans also and technically on a equal footing more or less as a result.

But are they on an equal footing, because the other frequent thing you will hear that negatively effects people’s thinking is:

2. You can’t fight City Hall/The Law

Once again in this second statement we see a predisposition to submit without even considering not submitting!

That all emanates from the instilled notion that things like God and or Space Aliens are too big, and too powerful, and way to advanced for any human to confront and outsmart or beat in a contest of wills or more importantly imposing wills.

The notion of a supreme moral authority with power over life and death starts with and is instilled by religion and then translates to the governments that either out and out usurp that God like stature and moral authority for their own coupling it with the power of life and death or will often use God’s name to make moral amoral actions.

“God told me to invade Iraq while I was walking in the Rose Garden”.

Oh well in that case it all makes perfect sense now! If I said God told me while walking in 7-11 to steal all the Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups everyone would think I was crazy. If a President of the United States though says God told him to do something a certain percentage of people are inclined to think “well if God were going to talk to someone, a person about imposing his will it would make sense that it would be the President of the United States since he is very powerful too.

Whether it’s God or Space Aliens they lead to the belief that man, the average man in the streets is incapable of dealing with the world’s problems because he isn’t empowered too, and that same notion more than anything leads to people wanting to empower corrupt governments and place life and death power in their hands as the ultimate authority for them to abuse.

My beliefs are simple, if it’s not clearly visible, if it hasn’t manifested itself in very tangible and certain ways there is no reason to submit to it, or defer to it, or overly consider it in the course of being self responsible.

I do believe tales of the Anunnaki are tales of pre-flood survivors presenting themselves to post-flood primitives who they need to mine for resources to keep their pre-flood technology repaired and working.

So much of religion is based on the notions of “Offerings” to please the God(s) but why as one would think a truly all powerful being could not only just make his own Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups with the snap of a finger, twinkle of an eye, or twitch of the nose, or at least be able to steal 7-11’s a lot more easily than I could.

So I think its pretty clear these God(s) great powers end when it comes to doing menial labor!

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When ever people say that its usually as a form of consolation for something(s) that make little or no sense, some great tragedy, some great oppression, or some great crime has occurred. For instance in the immediate aftermath of the devastating Haitian Earthquake the deeply religious Haitians chalked it all up to God’s will.

Good catch Proto. When trying to uncover this agenda, it more than likely is designed to make you go off on wild tangents that have nothing to do with the actual conspiracy itself. So that in the end you are left having to rely on faith as to how it was accomplished and how it is unfolding.

You mentioned earlier how our own towers came crashing down in relation to the tower of babel. We see the extremists saying how they were blessed attacks and it was Allah's will and what not. We see the Christians saying the God allows things to happen for a reason.

Who's to say in a thousand years that the very act and destruction will not be chalked up to some grand God? We know how stories get twisted along time especially by those in power who have a vested interest in keeping us blind. Remember, we humans are very predictable to someone who can think above it all.

So I believe you are correct in trying to focus our attention on very tangible realities. Think back to the Aztecs and their vast amounts of gold. The Spaniards were considered Gods to them and those Gods needed that gold. So the Aztecs laboriously supplied them, but in their reality they were serving Gods for a little while anyway. So I see what you are saying and thanks again for pointing us in the right direction!

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The underlying message to the people from both Governments and religions has always been the same.

You are in danger of something! Whether it’s your immortal soul for demanding the return of the micro-mini skirt or your physical safety because of murderous Al Qaeda operatives lurking underneath every bed and behind every lamp post you are in real danger.

Real danger that they then tell you that you really aren’t smart enough, strong enough, wise enough and empowered enough to deal with!

You should be afraid you must be afraid and if that means having your 6 year old child duck under their desk for five minutes while they are made to practice a ‘nuclear holocaust’ drill, we will make sure that fear comes home to you and is as palpable and real as it can be made.

In fact your only chance of survival both in the physical realm and the spiritual realm is to submit, to submit to our wise and benevolent leadership, our church, our government, our priests, and our leaders can protect you if you but do what they say!

You of course should never disagree or challenge the priests or the leaders because they are wiser than you, they know better than you; they are smarter than you and they have a whole lot more power than you!

When you really stop to be honest what you see is an entire planet ruled by a assortment of eclectic and random fears that Government and Religions have seized up to expound and then do their level best to not only make them appear to be real and real threatening but to also convince you that submission to and allegiance to them as entities is your only real form of protection.

We are in fact submitting and submitting regularly and almost without fail to our very own tormentors while steadfastly refusing to believe they are the source of the torment but rather that the things they have gone to great lengths and expense to teach us to fear are.

To date no school child has yet to be blown up by a Soviet nuclear weapon but they sure were taught to fear them and to eagerly fund a massive armaments buildup with tax dollars, labor and submission to the government who profited in control by building them.

People fail to often realize that every tax dollar taken out of your pocket is one less Reese’s genuine Peanut Butter Cup you can have where Chocolate combines with Peanut Butter for a euphorically good smooth and rich creamy taste.

The system in many ways is about convincing you to want what you don’t need and convincing you so thoroughly you will give up what you do need or at the very least want to get it.

This in many ways is what enables the oligarchs to hoard and conserve resources and that is people willingly giving up a portion of them to indulge their fears and to pay for the very things that create those fears!

It’s a system that couldn’t or wouldn’t make sense to most people until you throw some supernatural all powerful omnipotent being into the equation who because of that lofty position and status just doesn’t think like we ‘mere’ mortals do, so trying to ‘understand’ it’s thinking based on our own ‘faulty’ thinking is an exercise in futility!

So you must have ‘faith’ and not question these things. If you question these things you will upset the omnipotent deities who will make you burn for an eternity in Hell Fire and Brimstone! So there Mr. Smarty Pants you want to take that kind of chance you go right ahead!

Why these institutions are all based on ‘faith’ is because their doctrines and dogmas don’t really stand up to intelligent questions. So since they can’t overcome logic the only thing left is to make sure logic never enters into it by offers of great rewards of absolution and great threats of damnation, which with governments come down to great rewards of limited ‘freedom’ or imprisonment.

The latter in many ways only becomes possible as a control mechanism because the former where everything is established on ‘faith’ and not logic, then lends itself to government who can ask people to have ‘faith’ in the ‘constitution’ (bible) and the processes of Congress and Government (god) and that in time if one is ‘patient’ those things that don’t make sense on the surface will some day get better if you simply have ‘faith’.

But as John Fogherty and Credence Clearwater Revivial once sang (in and around the time of the Babylonians and the Dinosaurs for you younger readers) “Some day never comes”.




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It truly is quite a diabolical scheme. I remember in the aftermath of 9-11 I was glued to the television. I could see the smoke on the horizon because I lived right across the Raritan bay and the towers were close. We took our children out of school and were at home waiting for further instruction from our leaders!

I wont forget what we were all told. If you want to get back at them, go to work. Work and you will be hurting them terrorists. It made sense to me and I was scheduled for second shift. I rode down the NJ turnpike that was desolate because no one was out and it was being left open for emergency vehicles but I was able to get on it with no problem. It was like this for three days after the attacks.

The smoke in the distance was a grimacing reminder that I had to get to work to get back at them. I was afraid but I was doing exactly what my leaders told me. Not only that but I demanded more hours and worked myself into double shifts and sometimes triple shifts. No lie. I actually became quite sick but in my mind I was battling the demonic terrorists.

Now to find out that it was all orchestrated and I bought into it hook line and sinker is quite disturbing.

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jackflap, thank you for your courage in testifying to the fact that you originally bought into the official 9-11 story.

Too many people will rather mind**** themselves than admit their understanding of the world is not what the world actually is.

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And, let us add one story to the Roman conspiracy: Simon bar Kokhba.

Simon was a Jewish leader who led a very violent rebellion in 132 CE. His campaign became known as the Bar Kokhba revolt. Simon bar Kokhba proclaimed he was the messiah-and he was one of many Jewish leaders, who led violent revolts in Judea. For two years, Israel did exist outside the control of the Roman Empire. Then the Imperial War Machine butchered the leaders and any dissidents.

Israel, was no more.

It’s rather interesting that Biblical History and the modern day Zionists as well tend to portray Judea as a place where religion, spirituality and morals were all the rage and common place.

The fact is nothing could be further than the truth, the Judeans were primarily slave traders, money lenders, mercenaries, pirates and merchants with a number of skilled artisans and craftsman thrown into the mix and a cadre of politically shrewd consultants to make the most of it all.

While it could be argued that Judea sat on a geographical crossroads (spiritual Jews actually believe it’s the dead center of the planet geographically and spiritually) what it really had from literally millennia of the Jews wandering in and out of all most every Middle Eastern kingdom plying those trades and making an untold fortune in Gold, Silver and Gems.

For a Rome that was much like we today by constantly having to borrow to finance its expansions which were primarily then aimed at looting and robbing and then assimilation into an ongoing taxation system the Jews represented perhaps the single largest source of physical wealth to borrow from.

Of course when loans got too big to pay back or someone was reluctant to make them, then there was always the military option.

There was a great advantage for the Jewish Money Lenders to work with Rome because not only was it a large source of income for them but it more or less guaranteed their survival as free citizens of the Roman Empire.

That the Pharisees understood there was a greater percentage in doing that than there was in relying on their God(s) to protect them from Rome shows about as much faith as the leading Jews really had in their God(s). In the face of a highly organized well disciplined war machine God(s) were not something they really then chose to rely on, but rather their own shrewd and cunning ability to leverage their collective wealth and wisdom to play the game right along with Rome on semi-agreeable terms.

Where I believe we truly saw a lasting pact made between Rome and the Pharisees is that as the Empire morphed into the Holy Roman Empire the practice of usury was frowned upon. The Roman Christian version of God did not believe you should loan something to someone for a profit back. You give or you don’t give, you don’t loan.

Yet we see in every middle ages community right on up through the modern day the practice of Jewish Money Lending to those same European Roman principals who were taught it was wrong to lend money themselves for a profit.

The Jews were more or less almost given an exclusive franchise in this and all they really had to do in return for essentially being able to make money from money was to validate the Roman Christian God by claiming that yes it all originated from their own religion.

This helped Rome to enslave people to debt and to God all at the same time and ensured that a people who had traditionally always loved to wander far and wide as a separate but equal people could productively do that for Rome on Rome’s behalf to help bring about Rome’s plan for a one world government.

Rome was always multi-cultural and multi-religious and part of its great power was incorporating people of talent and wealth into the empire and bending them towards Rome’s will and plans.

There were times when certain of the Jews were sacrificed to drive home the virtues of Christianity over Judaism and other times where loans were made by Jews to European Nobles who then chose to kill the lender instead of paying them back.

Yet very much like the Templar Knights who at a certain point grew to numerous and powerful for Rome to be assured they could continue to control them because of not just the monetary wealth but wealth of information and secret information that they had amassed, we really have to ask were these Jews being persecuted actually ones who were growing to powerful or troublesome for the Pharisees? Was it the Jewish leadership feeding them to the Roman leadership and getting them to eliminate their own internal problems?

So much of the story of Christ mimics the Story of Caesar.

Jesus Christ = Julius Caesar
Judas = Brutus
The 12 disciples = the 12 lictors

Jesus died upon the cross to bring us the word of God and to remind us of our sinful nature.

Julius died upon the Senate floor to being us an eternal empire and to remind us of our sinful nature.

Judas betrayed Jesus making that a seeming reality.

Brutus betrayed Caesar making that a seeming reality.

The 12 disciples carried forth the word and law of Jesus. The 12 lictors carried the axes and scourges that comprised the Roman Fasces the power of live and death and the law.

Both represent the numerology of the Zodiac and its twelve signs with the sun in the middle.

In all reality so much of all religion is based on Sun worship which makes sense since if you had to isolate the one most important thing to life as we know it, it would definitely be the sun. Without it crops would not grow and we would be stumbling around in the dark.

If you overheard someone say I worship the SUN of God and over heard another person say I worship the Son of God does it actually sound any different?

Much like most Christian prayers are dedicated to Amman does it really sound any different audibly than Amen?

About the only thing that isn’t clear whether it’s the Sun of Sirius or the Sun of Earth that the high priestly class is worshiping.

With only the rich and noble being able to write and read in those days it wouldn’t have taken but a few generations at most to instill gross distortions of history and religion through word of mouth.

Especially when you put it forth as some kind of secret and important knowledge because we all realize there is power in secrets, we rarely can keep them, and love to impress others that we know some.

Shhh it’s a secret don’t tell anyone but that is just what people do, they tell!

The real difference between the Powers that Be and the unwashed masses is one is very good at keeping secrets and the other is very good at telling one another anything they believe to be secret and making it real to them in the process.

Shhh that’s a secret!


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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
In all reality so much of all religion is based on Sun worship which makes sense since if you had to isolate the one most important thing to life as we know it, it would definitely be the sun. Without it crops would not grow and we would be stumbling around in the dark.

If you overheard someone say I worship the SUN of God and over heard another person say I worship the Son of God does it actually sound any different?

And, interestingly, you could argue that global warming (and the effort to combat it) is a religion. Of course, many believe Rome and the United Nations are co-operating in organising a new single world religion. For a brief moment, environmentalism has united politicians, religious authorities, business, commerce and finance in "protecting Mother Earth."

The recent Climate Change Conference in Switzerland, the conference room was covered in plants, symbols and sculptures of the World. These conferences almost resemble a new age temple for the Earth.

I will try and locate the new climate change government adverts, in the UK, it's almost religious in sentiment and its empathy towards the environment. And, as the advert shows, those who participate in industrialism (killing the Earth) are depicted as ghoulish dark shadows resulting in the environment crying.

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And, interestingly, you could argue that global warming (and the effort to combat it) is a religion. Of course, many believe Rome and the United Nations are co-operating in organising a new single world religion. For a brief moment, environmentalism has united politicians, religious authorities, business, commerce and finance in "protecting Mother Earth."

It is very much a pseudo religion based on faith and faith in pseudo science.

For the ancient dominant personality who had it all, power over other people living under him, riches and women the only thing he likely would have felt threatened by and hostage to is the Sun.

Life as we know it depends on the Sun so it’s natural for people to fear it, worship it, consider it, and genuinely be respectful of it.

Not hard to do if you have ever suffered a serious sunburn!

Let’s look at the second most important aspect to life and that’s water.

Does the Vatican referring to itself as the Holy See sound any different when you say Holy Sea?

So in reality the two things that are really being considered to the point of worship inspired by no small amount of trepidation over them are the Sun of God and the Holy Sea!

We worship Fire and Water that as Paul Rogers and Free once sang (back when Atlantis was still around and before the dinosaurs for you younger readers) “Fire and Water must have made you their daughter, you sure got what it takes to make a poor boy’s heart break”.

Indeed it would appear that our religious institutions are the progeny of Fire and Water, the Sun and the Sea and man’s inherent understanding that it is these two things more than anything that make life as we know it possible.

When you consider that when the Founders of the United States wrote the Declaration of Independence referring to ‘Nature’s God’ and living under ‘Nature’s God’, it very well could have been them showing their own belief that we all live under and to a very large extent follow the Sun, not the Son of God but the Sun of God the thing that does make life as we know it possible.

Worship of just the Sun becomes problematic from a control point because it’s very doubtful that the Sun dictated religious texts for men to use as a mechanism of control over other men.

However if a whole new cult based on recognition of the environment and its role in sustaining life allowed pseudo science and government the moral and scientific authority to create laws and effect control over what is good for the environment and is respectful to Sun and Water then you can certainly eliminate the religious texts that in essence are meant to provide the same control.

So ‘Climate Change’ does have real potential to become the next great religion as people who have trouble recognizing the presumed authority in mythical faith based deities based on sun worship wouldn’t have much trouble at all to show acquiescence and submission to a government that wants to ‘safeguard’ them from environment fears.

Which would amazingly bring us back full circle to how deities were first invented to explain and calm environmental fears!

In a strange way I do suppose that’s a form of progress?

Excellent observation and points my friend.

There are some things I want to mention before I forget them. Please, Proto, correct me if I'm wrong. Rome would conquer and assimilate or tolerate the religion of the people it conquered. They would even build temples for the people of astounding beauty. Take for example the Temple of Artemus.

It was built on a swamp but was over two hundred feet wide and over four hundred feet long. Built entirely of Marble. A wonder of the ancient world. The locals in Ephesus would have surely thought that this was accomplished with the help of Artemus him/herself. They knew how to appease the populations as they groomed them to learn Roman lettering and numbers.

I believe the machine of Rome was down to a science almost. Conquer, assimilate, appease and they were brutally efficient. As was mentioned earlier, the temples and religions were more than likely becoming burdensome to maintain and control. The overall strategy of what they were doing could be looked at very simply.

Now if you could consolidate all these temples and religions into one over all deity or God, that would make the job of conquering and assimilation very easy. They needed a way to appeal to all the people in one fell swoop thereby eliminating the need for the temples and varying religions making conquering and control much easier.

There were no engineering feats that they could not accomplish. So this one idea from an engineering perspective would have been possible. It took much forethought and advanced planning from someone who knew what drove the human psyche.

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Now look at this picture of Vatican City and then look at infinite's picture below.

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Strange, right? I don't know how far back this thing really goes but I for one got the willy's when I noticed this. Can this be the reason for the Holy See/Sea? I don't know, but I do know that the two are very similar. I know that isn't an actual picture of Atlantis or anything but something is going on there.

In this originally uninhabited area (the ager vaticanus) on the opposite side of the Tiber from the city of Rome, Agrippina the Elder (14 BC – 18 October AD 33) drained the hill and environs and built her gardens in the early 1st century AD. Emperor Caligula (37-41) started construction of a circus (AD 40) that was later completed by Nero, the Circus Gaii et Neronis, usually called, simply, the Circus of Nero. The Vatican obelisk was originally taken by Caligula from Heliopolis, Egypt to decorate the spina of his circus and is thus its last visible remnant.

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The recent Climate Change Conference in Switzerland, the conference room was covered in plants, symbols and sculptures of the World. These conferences almost resemble a new age temple for the Earth.

How much does Rome have to do with Climate Change initiatives and how important is it to them?

This much and this important!

Media Release
Winterthur, Zurich, New Delhi, 22. January 2010
New Secretary General for the Club of Rome
The British economic and climate expert Ian Johnson has been
appointed as Secretary General of the Club of Rome with effect from 1.
April 2010. He will assume office from Martin Lees, who will finish his
three year term as Secretary General. Mr. Lees will continue to act in an
advisory capacity to the International Secretariat of the Club of Rome,
Winterthur, Switzerland. With this transition the Club of Rome will
continue its successful international outreach and development.

The Club of Rome is pleased to announce the appointment of Ian Johnson as its new Secretary General. Ian Johnson will assume office from the 1st April 2010 taking over from Scotsman R. Martin Lees, aged 68 years.

Ian Johnson is currently Chairman of the Commission for Land Use Change Ecosystems with GLOBE International (www.globeinternational.org) and CEO of Idea Carbon, a London based
consulting firm for emissions trading. He has been a long time advisor to the UNFCCC (www.unfccc.int), a Member of the Swedish Commission on Climate Change and Development and served as Economist to the British Government. He has also acted as advisor to several governments, including Chile and the Netherlands.

Ian Johnson, a British national was educated at the University of Wales, Harvard University and the University of Sussex. Ian spent over twenty five years with the World Bank. He held the post of Vice President for Sustainable Development for eight years, responsible for policy, strategy and oversight of the World Bank’s programmes in environment, social policy and agriculture and rural development.

The current Secretary General of the Club of Rome R. Martin Lees remarked ‘Ian has a remarkable experience across the key areas of central concern to the Club of Rome coupled with a strong analytical capability, worldwide contact with experts and leaders, a deep
knowledge of the issues of poverty and development and the proven ability to work on the interface between analysis and policy. We are delighted that Ian has agreed to take on the role of Secretary General and we are confident that he will provide strong and constructive
leadership to the future work of the Club’.

R. Martin Lees in his three year term as Secretary General initiated and coordinated the Club’s current programme ‘A New Path for World Development’. He ensured a smooth transition from the Club’s previous International headquarters in Hamburg to its new location in Winterthur, Switzerland. He built a solid organisation and strengthened the Club’s
networks throughout the world.

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So we see first from it’s logo that the Club of Rome thinks globally.

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That it originated out of the Holy Roman Empire stronghold of Germany.

That it is setting up shop in Switzerland the heart of the International Banking Cartels.

While the Club of Rome has an Internet Web Site that anyone can visit not many people can become members of the Club of Rome. The royalty of the Netherlands and the United Kingdom are though, so are several leading industrialists and bankers as well as a number of former leaders of various nations and a number of critical academics who think through the strategies and ideas that make being an oligarch bent on ruling and controlling the world a truly easy thing when you have the money and the clout to make such academics a part of your entourage!

The Club of Rome's Web Site as the dot designation displays is an organization! (.org)

So what we see here in this new strategy shift with the new incoming President of the Club of Rome’s General Assembly is a person who is the world’s foremost and leading authority on Climate Change!

He also is cheif in the idea of carbon credits which is what the 'Cap and Trade' Bill presently before the U.S. Congress is all about.

So is this a U.S. Agenda or a Roman Agenda? A Global Roman Agenda?

Business is good for the Club of Rome by the way as evidenced by their new Headquarters!

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International Secretariat in Winterthur

The Club of Rome has completed the negotiations and the preparations to establish its International Secretariat in Winterthur in the Canton of Zurich.

Through a five year rental agreement, it has taken possession of modern offices in the centre of the City, 3 minutes walk from the train station from where regular trains reach the international airport of Kloten in 12 minutes and the centre of Zurich in 15/18 minutes. This excellent location is enhanced by the surroundings of the city which include extensive parks, hills and forests.

The offices are modern, convenient and large enough to allow for future expansion as the activities of the Club develop. The work of the Club is principally driven by the activities of its Members and implemented in collaboration with experts and partners throughout the world. The Secretariat will therefore remain small but will have the necessary capacities to ensure that the substantive programmes of the Club and its practical operations are efficiently coordinated and effectively supported.

The Club of Rome is obviously not your typical gentlemen's club for socializing, golf and tennis!

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ClubOfRome.org

The games they play at the Club of Rome sure go well beyond Cribbage and Backgammon or even running around naked at the Bohemian Grove enjoying mock human sacrifices.

Coincidentally the United Nations keeps some of its most important administrational offices in Switzerland too!