reply to post by jackflap
It was likely Troy and not Ur that became the first city after the great flood.
The legend of Noah’s Ark has it landing on Mt. Ararat which is very close to where Troy actually was.
Chances are the people on the Ark were from Atlantis and not the descendents of Abraham.
The picture above is Masonic though I have no way of knowing whether it is true or not I have been told that it is something only the highest level
Masons ever are shown.
When one stops to ponder Sir Francis Bacon’s New Atlantis teachings and writings and work with the Masons and the Rosicrucian Order to begin seeding
those concepts in America coupled with the questions regarding whether Masonry worships other deities than Yahweh we are beginning to see how some
very ancient pre-flood knowledge might have been passed on and handed down through Troy to Rome.
Knowledge that has possibly been withheld and further distorted through biblical stories like Noah and the Ark written and propagated later by and
More interesting still is the very real possibility that Ancient Troy was buried under the building of Constantinople.
If true even over a thousand years later after Troy’s fall Constantine would have picked that unlikely site in modern day Turkey with foreknowledge
of it’s ancient significance and for a reason.
Is it possible while Constantine built his new capitol upwards he was also building and excavating below just as the Templar Knights would 500 years
later begin excavating the ruins of the Second Jewish Temple in Jerusalem?
There is much speculative evidence that the Templar Knights who would later become the Scottish Rites Masons found things in the Temple and carried
Yet were they being carried off because of some great intrinsic value or to protect a greater secret regarding Judaism and Christianity?
What then might Constantine have also uncovered while building his new capitol over the ancient ruins of Troy?
How serious are these possibilities? Serious enough for the first thing to have fallen in Baghdad to be its Museum considered the richest in the world
in antiquities from the pre-Biblical period. Serious enough for most of the archeological sites in Iraq to be investigated by the U.S. Military and
then guarded by the U.S. Military.
What could potentially be in these places that then cause governments like ours even six thousand years later to take extraordinary interest in? After
all it is not like the U.S. Military is in the archeological business.
Until one stops to consider knowledge is power and it is knowledge that makes the pen a mightier weapon than the sword.
How real is the connection between Troy and Rome?
This article is about the Greco-Roman hero. For other uses, see Aeneas (disambiguation).
Aeneas flees burning Troy, Federico Barocci, 1598.
Aeneas carrying Anchises, black-figured oinochoe, ca. 520-510 BC, Louvre (F 118)In Greco-Roman mythology, Aeneas (Greek: Αἰνείας, Aineías,
derived from Greek Αἰνή meaning "to praise"; pronounced /ɪˈniːəs/ in English) was a Trojan hero, the son of prince Anchises and the goddess
Aphrodite. His father was also the second cousin of King Priam of Troy. The journey of Aeneas from Troy, (led by Aphrodite, his mother) which led to
the founding of the city Rome, is recounted in Virgil's Aeneid. He is considered an important figure in Greek and Roman legend and history. Aeneas is
a character in Homer's Iliad, Quintus Smyrnaeus' Posthomerica, and Shakespeare's Troilus and Cressida. Also, Aeneas has been known for his skills
in combat during the battle of Troy.
In the Iliad, Aeneas is the leader of Troy's Dardanian allies (Trojans — descendants of Dardanus), and a principal lieutenant of Hector, son of the
Trojan king Priam. In the poem, Aeneas' mother Aphrodite frequently comes to his aid on the battlefield; he is also a favorite of Apollo. Aphrodite
and Apollo rescue Aeneas from combat with Diomedes of Argos, who nearly kills him, and carry him away to Pergamos for healing. Even Poseidon, who
normally favors the Greeks, comes to Aeneas' rescue when the latter falls under the assault of Achilles, noting that Aeneas, though from a junior
branch of the royal family, is destined to become king of the Trojan people.
As seen in the first books of the Aeneid, Aeneas is one of the few Trojans who were not killed in battle or enslaved when Troy fell. When Troy was
sacked by the Greeks, Aeneas, after being commanded by the gods to flee, gathered a group, collectively known as the Aeneads, who then traveled to
Italy and became progenitors of the Romans. The Aeneads included Aeneas' trumpeter Misenus, his father Anchises, his friends Achates, Sergestus and
Acmon, the healer Lapyx, the steady helmsman Palinurus, and his son Ascanius (also known as Iulus, Julus, or Ascanius Julius.) He carried with him the
Lares and Penates, the statues of the household gods of Troy, and transplanted them to Italy.
(From here on, the Greek myths make room for the Roman mythology, so the Roman names of the gods will be used, except for Aphrodite.)
After a brief but fierce storm sent up against the group at Juno's request, and several failed attempts to found cities, Aeneas and his fleet made
landfall at Carthage after six years of wanderings. Aeneas had a year-long affair with the Carthaginian queen Dido (also known as Elissa), who
proposed that the Trojans settle in her land and that she and Aeneas reign jointly over their peoples. Once again, this was in favour of Juno, who was
told of the fact that her favorite city would eventually be defeated by the Trojans' descendants. However, the messenger god Mercury was sent by
Jupiter and Aphrodite to remind Aeneas of his journey and his purpose, thus compelling him to leave secretly and continue on his way. When Dido
learned of this, she ordered her sister Anna to construct a pyre, she said, to get rid of Aeneas' possessions, left behind by him in his haste to
leave. Standing on it, Dido uttered a curse that would forever pit Carthage against Rome. She then committed suicide by stabbing herself with the same
sword she gave Aeneas when they first met and then falling on the pyre. Anna reproached the mortally wounded Dido. Meanwhile, Juno, looking down on
the tragedy and moved by Dido's plight, sent Iris to make Dido's passage to Hades quicker and less painful. When Aeneas later traveled to Hades, he
called to her ghost but she neither spoke to nor acknowledged him.
The company stopped on the island of Sicily during the course of their journey. After the first trip, before the Trojans went to Carthage,
Achaemenides, one of Odysseus' crew who had been left behind, traveled with them. After visiting Carthage, the Trojans returned to Sicily where they
were welcomed by Acestes, king of the region and son of the river Crinisus by a Dardanian woman.
Latinus, king of the Latins, welcomed Aeneas' army of exiled Trojans and let them reorganize their lives in Latium. His daughter Lavinia had been
promised to Turnus, king of the Rutuli, but Latinus received a prophecy that Lavinia would be betrothed to one from another land — namely, Aeneas.
Latinus heeded the prophecy, and Turnus consequently declared war on Aeneas at the urging of Juno, who was aligned with King Mezentius of the
Etruscans and Queen Amata of the Latins. Aeneas' forces prevailed. Turnus was killed and his people were captured. According to Livy, Aeneas was
victorious but Latinus died in the war. Aeneas founded the city of Lavinium, named after his wife. He later welcomed Dido's sister, Anna Perenna, who
then committed suicide after learning of Lavinia's jealousy.
After Aeneas' death, Aphrodite asked Jupiter to make her son immortal. Jupiter agreed and the river god Numicus cleansed Aeneas of all his mortal
parts and Aphrodite anointed him with Ambrosia and Nectar, making him a god. Aeneas was recognized as the god Jupiter Indiges. Inspired by the work of
James Frazer, some have posited that Aeneas was originally a life-death-rebirth deity.
Aeneas had an extensive family tree. His wet-nurse was Caieta, and he is the father of Ascanius with Creusa, and of Silvius with Lavinia. The former,
also known as Iulus (or Julius), founded Alba Longa and was the first in a long series of kings. According to the mythology outlined by Virgil in the
Aeneid, Romulus and Remus were both descendants of Aeneas through their mother Rhea Silvia, making Aeneas progenitor of the Roman people. Some early
sources call him their father or grandfather, but considering the commonly accepted dates of the fall of Troy (1184 BC) and the founding of Rome
(753 BC), this seems unlikely. The Julian family of Rome, most notably Julius Cæsar and Augustus, traced their lineage to Ascanius and Aeneas, thus
to the goddess Aphrodite. Through the Julians, the Palemonids also make this claim. The legendary kings of Britain also trace their family through a
grandson of Aeneas, Brutus.
So not only was Caesar thought to be a decendant but the first Kings of Britian too!
The whole concept of Rome is the new Babylon appears to be disinformation and false.
Rome was the new Troy and Troy very well may have been because of close geographical proximity the first Post Flood City, so who ever came off that
Boat likely ended up there and not Ur!
[edit on 17/3/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]