The Illustrated History of MJ-12

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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 11:44 PM
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Of intrigue, and little else probably, is that Bob Lazar did provide a copy of a payslip proving he had carried out work at Los Alamos.

His employee designation was E-6722MAJ.

The odds of these last 3 letters being used as opposed to any other are 17,500 to 1.

To me not a co-incidence then, but what, as a joke - as some part of a grand plausible deniability disinformation project ?

Discussed here and here amongst other places.




posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:51 AM
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The things that come to mind for me when reading these knd of posts (I've been reading about MJ12 for about 15 years) is this:
- Our Federal Governement no longer serves the interest of the people, they exist to propigate the buearcatic process that serves its own interests!
-That being the case no three or 5 lettered agency funded by the U.S. Governement will knowningly disgorge or in other form release any information that they feel will threaten their present strangle hold over US citizens.
-Admitting or confirming the presence of non-terestial life based on recovered technolgy and or alien artifacts are diameterical opposite to the interest of a governement that controls information that rightfully should be in the public sector.
- Our governement will Never admitt to the reality of any of the programs mentioned in this thread, and will go to great lenghts to obscure any tangible proof with disinformation.
-How does our governement do this:
Take a shred of truth and season it with false information that will discredit the one plausable bit of information.
-Threaten those who do know ..Col Corso, didnt admitt to anything til he was on his death bed from prostrate cancer.

Believe what you want, trust the agencies of the U.S.Government if you will..the things that I have seen and know are not part of the public domain. No they do not relate to issues of alien life and technology, they are more down to earth projects but the over all concept of "talk and dissappear" apply!



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 09:49 AM
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I can only imagine the time, effort and commitment that went into this. Just wanted to let you know, after decades of studying these things, you have managed to create an incredible time line in what is a secret history of our planet!

I truly commend you!

Del



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 09:53 AM
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EXCELLENT response to what happens to be the way it is!



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 10:08 AM
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Good job there! Those that you posted are not fiction, nor are without official public statements from upright and men of both valour and honour.

As to what happened to MJ-12, the late Phillip Corso may hold the answers from his death-bed confession. It was only logical for the technology gleaned from the downed craft to be sent to Universities or existing private firms, sworn to secrecy in the wake of a brewing cold war, to figure how such tech may benefit US as claimed by him. The military does not have the resources or capabilities for such mass commercialisation of tech anyway.

Who but the richest men after the war had enough funds to make use of such tech for commercialisation? Who were the richest men then? And how did they corrupt and seize control of MJ-12 and the military?



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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I read through it too, and what struck me is despite the constant use of the word "BOGUS" in the memos and written across the documents, plus the joke about the date on one memo being 10/31 but it could have been worse as it could have been April 1, I didn't see anywhere that explained the reason why the document has been declared bogus. Why isn't the justification for the bogus designation documented? It just looks to me like they got it, laughed about it, and rubber-stamped it as bogus without giving any reason why. I guess the use of ridicule is important in removing credibility from something.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by dpmduran
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EXCELLENT response to what happens to be the way it is!


Thanx,
You really have to of worked or seen these agencies in action to appreciate the voracity of the post..

Out of curiousity do you recall by chance the "on Line" adventure game named after MAJ12,, it was like a "where's Carmen" hunt only it used information like what was inclosed in this thread. It appeared on line at the end of the 1990's about 1999 or so ..then all of a sudden the whole thing was removed from the net. It was back when BV was the reigning champ of conspiracy boards. I tried to get started on it and it was shut down shortly afterwards. It was almost an internet fact finding RPG game centered around the MAJ12 conspiracy.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 11:55 AM
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I've read Stanton Friedman's book TOP SECRET / MAJIC, and I am very impressed with his research. He conclusively believes that at least 4 of the MJ12 documents are genuine and that the program did exist at some point.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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As I understand it. The FBI were very unhappy the craft recovered in 1947 was taken by the military so they could not look at it. As far as MJ12 documents are concerned do to the nature of them. I would expect that the person that got a hold of them would want to remove any means to trace were they came from. The FBI as stated would not be interested in revealing anything related to national security and you can expect their answer to be negative.

I also give credit to S.F. research and book. He put a lot of time and work into it.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by JFK4EVER
I've read Stanton Friedman's book TOP SECRET / MAJIC, and I am very impressed with his research. He conclusively believes that at least 4 of the MJ12 documents are genuine and that the program did exist at some point.

Stanton Friedman has another book detailing the witnesses near
Roswell, New Mexico. - Crash at Corona -
-- Book Review Here --
2 separate crash sites.
I put some of his info on my webpage.
See Top Hat

[edit on 4-1-2010 by Eurisko2012]



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 08:45 PM
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However, if you accept the premise that the U.S. government has a recovered alien craft in their possession


The above is addressed solely to the gullible.
The below is addressed to the gullible as a brain douche.


A "rare" balanced POV from a trusted source.

From the book "ROSWELL - Inconvenient Facts and the Will to Believe" by Karl T. Pflock, ©2001, page 193.
FORGERIES FOR FUN, FAME, AND FORTUNE
As I have outlined, the record revealed by numerous authentic formerly classified official documents as well as in the history of national defense policy and action leaves no reasonable doubt that a flying saucer did not crash near Roswell in 1947. Over against this there now is a virtual flood of forged allegedly official and allegedly still highly classified documents which purport to confirm just the opposite. Prior to Roswell, ufology was relatively free of fake documents. Most of those that did show up were obvious hoaxes or were quickly exposed as or reasonably concluded to be fraudulent. Rarely were any intended or taken as much more than practical jokes. (see #8 in NOTES, p. 198) The new wave of Roswell-inspired and decidedly more serious fakery has dramatically confused and created dissension within the ranks of ufology. The seemingly endless wrangling and debating over the authenticity and content of this material have damaged the field's already shaky credibility, severely strained its limited resources, and diverted energies that would have been better put to use addressing the UFO phenomena themselves.

Beginning with the so-called Operation Majestic-12/Majic-12/MJ-12 Eisenhower briefing paper, which was made public in 1987 almost simultaneously by Roswell author William L. Moore and British ufologist Timothy Good, documents of all sorts and sizes have surfaced. Majestic-12 allegedly is a super-secret group established by President Truman in 1947 to keep under wraps and to carry out study and exploitation of what was found at Roswell and recovered from later saucer crashes, manage human contact with extraterrestrial visitors, and so on.

The Eisenhower briefing paper makes specific reference to Roswell. Tellingly, it "confirms" the original scenario set down by Moore and his coauthor Charles Berlitz in The Roswell Incidentas further elaborated by Moore and associates such as Stanton Friedman during the early 1980s. Other documents refer to or purport to be products of MJ-12 and such subprojects as Snowbird, Redlight, Aquarius, Sigma, and Pounce. Some of these forgeries are quite subtle, others are embarrassingly clumsy.

Most of the fake papers that came on the scene during the mid-1980s seem to be products of a relatively clever orchestrated campaign designed specifically to create the illusion of genuine documentary backup for the Roswell crashed saucer tale. The Eisenhower briefing document, conveniently lacking all of the technical attachments in references, provides the foundation for this. Others, like the so-called Aquarius Document, build upon this foundation with their references to various interlocking projects MJ-12 classification authority notations, and the information-compartmentation codeword MAJIC, first appearing on the Eisenhower briefing paper, which carries the impressive if bogus classification label "TOP SECRET/MAJIC-EYES ONLY."

A common element in all cases is William L. Moore. Either the documents were anonymously delivered to one of his associates (e.g., the MJ-12 Eisenhower briefing paper, in the form of an undeveloped roll of 35-mm film, allegedly arrived in televi-

(page 194)sion producer Jaime Shandera's mailbox in December 1984) or were handed over or shown to Moore by someone "inside," or were discovered by him in U.S. government archives. Whatever the alleged original source, it was Moore who got the documents into circulation in ufology by one means or another. (see #9 in NOTES, p.199)

In later years, additional material showed up. For example, in March 1994, Don Berliner, UFO and aviation writer, board member and now chairman of the board of the Fund for UFO Research, received an undeveloped roll of 35-mm film (!) in his home mailbox. When developed, the film was found to contain images of sections of the "TOP SECRET/MAJIC-EYES ONLY" and, oh, yes, also "RESTRICTED" Majestic-12 Group Special Operations Manual, SOM1-01, "Extraterrestrial Entities and Technology, Recovery and Disposal," dated April 1954.

Despite such immediately obvious anachronisms as its internally contradictory classification markings (Tope Secret is the highest level in U.S. classification; Restricted was the lowest and was no longer even being used in April 1954) and a reference to "downed satellites" more than three years before Sputnik I, the SOM1-01 created a considerable stir. Stanton Friedman featured it, albeit without endorsement, in his TOP SECRET/MAJIC, published in 1996, and even though expert analysis by researchers on both sides of the UFO-belief divide has definitely shown the manual to be a fraud, it continues to be touted by some as authentic.

Continues


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posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 08:56 PM
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The MJ-12 Directives burned memo is a very interesting document. The directive named "Project Environment" is supposedly a cryptic assassination directive. It uses the phrase "it must be wet", meaning "spill the blood". On Nov. 12, 1963, JFK sent a memo to the Director of Central Intelligence ordering him to reclassify all UFO files pertaining to National Security. In the corner of the document it is scribbled "Response from Colby, Angleton has MJ directive. Supposedly, once this memo leaked, Colby was murdered before anyone could question him about the document (he died in a canoe accident). Now if this document is genuine, and the Nov. 12, 1963 memo is also genuine, this means that "Project Environment" was initiated once JFK started to pry classified ufo files from the government's hands.

If these two documents are genuine, they implicate Majestic 12 in JFK's assassination.

Burned Directives, pages 1-2
Burned Directive, pages 3-9
Nov 12, 1963 Memo



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 11:49 PM
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I look forward to the continuation and the opportunity to reply because so far that has not been a "rare balanced POV from a trusted source", more an alternative opposite POV to many expressed here that may provide balance, if further researched, by an unbiased reader.

Rather than plagiarising can you either link or paraphrase i.e. in the book so and so author so and so stated his view as follows.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 12:00 AM
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What would truly be outstanding and surprising is if The Shrike actually made a presentation of his own with an opposing point of view rather than copying and pasting other peoples work and then using high school like witty sarcasm to make himself appear oh so much wiser and intelligent than the rest of us...

Gather your evidence Shrike and put your money where your mouth is regarding these MJ-12 Documents in a well laid out manner like the author of this thread has.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by Springer
While I personally believe MJ12 is a total fabrication, I can't prove that it is. Normally, that wouldn't bother me as the burden of proof falls upon the teller of the tale...

In this strange case we are presented with 55 documents of which only a handful (that I am aware of) have been proven false.

I'll say it again, it is my belief that when one document in a set is proven a hoax the rest of them are most likely hoaxes too. Unfortunately that is only my belief and I can't prove it.

Does that mean the MJ12 documents are a forgery? I DON'T know and I challenge anyone who claims they do to show us the forensic evidence that proves it. I would also state that I have never seen any "REAL" forensic evidence they are real either...

Getting a Fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Science whose specialty is documents to thoroughly examine these documents would satisfy me completely one way or the other. I've just never been convinced it was worth the expense, yet...


In any case, this is the best (even handed, NOT biased or demanding acceptance) review of these documents I've seen, THANKS Gazrock!


Springer...



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In any case, this is the best (even handed, NOT biased or demanding acceptance) review of these documents I've seen,


agreed!

I don't believe the hard copies will never be the proof by themselves but, it does make one think who would be the best to conceal a matter; those who have the knowledge, ability & endless cash flow to hide what needs to be hidden.

if I may direct your attention to one site which I'm sure you've already looked at .. however, I'll ask you the same questions that came to my mind after just scrolling down the page and randomly looking at some reports thru the centuries..yep.. centuries..

~Are all these people really be making this stuff up or seeing just natural phenomina?
~How can each report almost be describing the same type of craft before the 20th century?

here's the list

/cheers



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 12:42 AM
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Very interesting

Thankyou for bringing this to my attention, i will get right onto digesting this and then come back with my thoughts. Keep up the good work

Peace



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 12:47 AM
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excellent thread!! thx for the details!! After I got half way through Corso's book I had to put it down. I felt like I was back in uniform and started to get a little paranoid and realized I was, I took trip from Tacoma to Seattle and back again. LOL..

I haven't picked up the book since. Of us who have been in the military, they do keep very accurate records; or used to. But just ask any supply SSG



S&F my friend ..



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 02:24 AM
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We're still waiting to see your evidence...
It's okay... take your time to write it up... but make sure you actually do provide some substantiation to all that you have said.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by SuperSlovak
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You think Harry Truman would just let a sensitive document like this go to the public? I don't think so. If it was real it would be guarded.


It was Harry Truman that signed paperwork that stated "The U.S government does not have to tell the public about ufos, etc..." something like this. It was told to us that it was a law. I know there are members here that post that are from the western N.Y area or you might have been in that Professors class he openly talked about it. The class was on ufos.

I emailed one so called ufo expert and told him about this so called law and his reply was there are no such laws. O.K. maybe it was just paperwork.



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posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by The Shrike
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Just one of the too-numerous-to-count nails in the Majestic 12 hoax. Plenty "Moore" (pun) where that came from. Nothing you nor any other believer could convince me of the reality of Majestic dozen. Same category as the Roswell "crash." Bah, humbug!

skepticblog.org...
"Who Wrote the Majestic 12 Papers?
by Brian Dunning, Sep 10 2009
“Majestic 12” is one of the seminal hoaxes of UFO lore. It was supposedly the name of a group of Illuminati who were “in” on the “fact” that UFOs were alien spacecraft, well known to the United States government. A typed letter (established up, down, and sideways as a hoax) purportedly written by President Truman, created the Majestic 12 committee by secret Presidential order. Since then, many “classified” government documents have “appeared” acknowledging the government’s full knowledge of alien visitation. The story of Majestic 12 was broken to the world in 1987 by UFOlogist William Moore, which casts immediate suspicion upon him as the perpetrator; but there are other possible suspects as well.
The late Philip Klass, perhaps the best known of the skeptical UFO investigators, once tried to flush out the author. One of the papers, known as the Cutler/Twining Memo, was in a certain unusual typeface, and Klass reasoned that whoever wrote it probably had authentic government documents from the same period to use as a style guide. He offered a cash reward for any extant examples. Who sprang forward with handy documents to claim the prize? None other than Stanton Friedman. Klass paid him $1000 (probably considering it a bargain), and Friedman’s reputation was permanently stained as a result. Tip to paranormal hoaxers hoping to make a career out of it: Don’t take the bait if you don’t want to be hooked.

Do you have a theory on who was behind the Majestic 12 hoax? I welcome your nominations. Let’s hear it!"


This so called nail is in fact nothing of the sort.

Having just checked the actual true record of what occurred in Friedman's book Majestic the "handy documents" Friedman supplied were certified records from the National Security Archives.

It was Klass who ended up with the stained reputation.

Tip to a biased misinformed poster - get your facts straight.

Maybe Klass was a Majestic member, perhaps he replaced Menzel.

If anything was hoaxed all evidence points to an insider, either as a means of whistleblowing i.e. pointing to the truth or as disinfo. The whistleblower hoaxing documents doesn't really hold water as why not actually produce the real documents, especially considering the amount of effort that would have gone into a forgery.

This leaves disinfo and the only purpose that makes sense is to provide some real information dispersed amongst nonsense BECAUSE part of the truth was already in the public domain and this was damage limitation and a method of controlling the information flow.

You keep calling some of the documents a hoax without any credible evidence. There was information on some of the documents that SUBSEQUENT research on documents declassified AFTER their release was able to confirm. Therefore if they were a hoax it was from someone on the inside.

Why don't you tell me who you think was behind it ?

Put up or shut up.





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