so that was an interesting documentary. i think with the first situation, if you admit to being on the run for murder and you're claiming that you have a gun and that you're more than willing to use it, then sorry, but you arent getting a negotiation. if i was the cop i would definitely not negotiate with that guy. you either drop the gun and come talk willingly, or you're taken out with force. if you dont want to spend your life in jail...then you dont commit murder in the first place. or get involved in any type of crime for that matter.

i was so crushed to see what happened to the dog though. i really do wish that animals werent used in situations like this, they didnt ask to be put in a life threatening situation. the cops consciously chose this as they're profession so i think that they should be the ones approaching the suspect. dogs should only be used in situations where the risk of them getting hurt is very low.

i will say that i felt that the bus incident was out of line. police officers are disliked by many people and im sure lots of people flip them off. stopping a bus and physically fighting with and removing a person from the bus for giving a cop the finger is ridiculous. in my opinion, thats called a "power trip". if you're sensitive to peoples opinions of your career, then dont chose a career where many people are going to hate you simply for what you do.

i think that with the incident with the kid hopping the fence and getting shot was probably not necessary either. but the way the reporter guy handled it was very unprofessional. i realize that they're not an official news broadcast or anything, but its hard to take people seriously when they're not behaving professionally. they want their news taken seriously obviously, so its important to have the person in front of the camera act in a mature professional manner.

Originally posted by Flakey
Tasers are supposed to be used as a less lethal response to a direct threat.

The person in that video was restrained in a chock slam and pinned against his car. I did not see any signs of resistance or anything that could be considered as threatening. Pinned against that car being chocked the other officer tasered him. Can you see just cause for the deployment of the officers weapon?

Just yes or no based on what the video evidence provides.

Thats not the case per policy in many departments. Your asking me as an officer to tell you what i think. I DO agree hands on would of worked just fine in this case, but if THAT department SOP states that they use a taser BEFORE they go hands on then they are doing what they must per their policy. It can't be just a yes or no answer when there are SO many different sets of rules, SOP's, etc...

Would I have tased him, NO...thats about the best yes/no answer I can give you. I understand YOUR thought process on how/when a taser should be deployed, but again its based on more than just what WE THINK!

Watched the first segment. What a travesty, poor doggy. And the guy that got shot, well how about not telling the cops you have a gun with 13 bullets in it and playing stupid games. He had plenty of chances to end that peacefully. No sympathy from me whatsoever.

I'm sure they are some very bad cops. They are people just like everybody else. But not all cops are "terrorists" or out to get you. On the other side, there are ego driven power hungry d-bags with badges, too.

So it's best to judge a cop like you would anybody else. INDIVIDUALLY.

Besides, 90 percent of the time they are just REVENUE ENFORCEMENT AGENTS. But let's leave that one for another thread.

Originally posted by Flakey
Your view point is a great illustration of the problem. An unarmed compliant man was Chock Slammed and then tasered.

Let that digest.

A complaint suspect, hand in the open not in pockets, UNARMED , was chock slammed and then Tasered.

It is a clear cut black and white case of police brutality. That you can not just come out and call it for what it is speaks to you character as an officer. Your job as a LEO is not just about how you conduct yourself but also how you allow your fellow officers conduct themselves. If you would cover for just one then you become no better than those you would arrest.

Your not getting it. I already disagreed with the throat grab, but depending on policy I cannot disagree with the taser use. Bottom line is, once the first officer grabbed the driver, the other officer should of grabbed the other arm and they both put him on the hood of their patrol car. Would MY department have allowed that, NO, and I wouldn't have done it either. So just to be clear, I DIDN'T SEE A REASON FOR THEM TO USE THE TASER.

I guess if I'm ever on the run for murder, and I announce my death wish while claiming that a light blue size 7 high heel is mag full 9, I made my own mess now didnt I?
I would like to know the round count post incident, I ended up somewhere around 30.
My only complaint is poor command. Letting an officer run into fire field with no discharge orders set was just mindless.
WWJWD?

Originally posted by adifferentbreed

Sent you a u2u explaing some of it. My point was, an action that would result in the arrest of a citizen, ie cussing one out, would only result in a talking to to the officer involved for the same actions.

I responded. I never arrested for a verbal altercation. I don't care about name calling. I have been called pig, nazi, etc...no biggy. But in MY experiance those who call ME names will be the first to file a complaint when I tell them to kiss my ---! Then all of a sudden its, "hey, you can't say that to me, your a cop, im filing a complaint"...lol

Originally posted by Flakey

Alright then. I guess your one of the few good ones left. Just do us all a favor and never put on the ninja turtle suit and run crowd control. Should that day come call in sick and stay good.

Thanks, I like to think I am good at my job and do whats right. There are times people leave me no choice and then want to blame me for their misfortunes. As for the riot gear stuff...depends on the circumstance. Will I put it on for marshal law, etc...no, will I put it on because Georgia wins the national title one year and drunk retarded people take to the streets to destroy property and act a fool...yeah I will...

[edit on 12/30/2009 by rcwj1975]

The only racists I saw were the "hood". Now, that's not to say that some of the others weren't racists but to be honest, the black people were so vocal about it it was disgusting.

As far as the police go, if they hate the police so bad how about building a fence around the whole place, pull all the police out and let em go to it. I wonder how they'd like anarchy. I'm sure they'd call that racist too though.

The majority of police may have peoples' best interests at heart, but every time we see someone already cuffed on the ground being shot and killed, things like that, it really sends a bad message and people remember that. And that WAS in the news a while back, complete with cell phone video. The cop responsible said he meant to pull out his taser but made a mistake, and I'm not sure whether he was even fired or not.

Just like with Muslims/Middle Eastern people, and a lot of other groups, a lot of people are going to see the worst cases and extrapolate it to the whole group of people. You can thank the mainstream media for that. It's no different than it was in Nazi Germany in that regard, the media is controlled by the corporations which in turn lobby the hell out of the government to get their way. Huge conflict of interest for everyone but the corporations.

I can't watch YouTube videos here at the moment but of course a murderer is screwed when he's surrounded by police, and says he's armed.

Someone said there is a cop that stops a bus because someone on it flicks him off. Again, I can't watch the video but yeah that definitely sounds like a power trip.


The videos that piss me off the most are the ones that make it to the ATS news forum. The last one was an off-duty detective in DC throwing his gun around at a snowball fight, but that's nothing compared to some of the videos I've seen from LA cops, which is I think where the subway shooting happened with the guy already cuffed on the ground.


I think it has a lot to do with the areas this stuff happens. What happens in LA or NY or Houston isn't going to be anything like what happens in quiet rural towns.


Even then though there are a lot of cops that don't have the right attitude to be policeman. I once blew a tire and before I could even pull over into the nearest parking lot a county cop was following me right on my bumper. I stopped my car and looked over at him, and as soon as we made eye contact he sped off. Now I know it isn't a cop's job to help me change my tire, but he didn't even so much as nod at me. The impression I got was that if he couldn't write me a ticket, he didn't want anything to do with me. And I live in a small town and I know there isn't a damned lot going on anyway, they're always just hanging out at gas stations and talking it seems like. All I'm saying is didn't policeman used to be public servants in general, instead of just "law enforcement"? When did that change?

Originally posted by Dookie Master

Is it true that most law enforcement agencies will take the officers off of active duty(?) when involved in a shooting?

Aren't k-9 units considered officers?

Yes you are put on administrative leave until your department and an outside agency investigates the shooting. Then if cleared you may return to active status. Some guys do not come back because the experiance is a VERY tough one mentally.

Yes K9 dogs are active officers and considered sworn officers.