Originally posted by seagrass
oh, I see without even reading the thread, you are hung up on the 13 signs. I follow the oldest traditions because I trust them more than contemporary
ones. I agree that sometimes there are oddities in astrology. It is meant as a tool for looking for similarities and possibilities...so called
coincidence. Never used as a cut and dried science. If you believe there are 13 signs then it would take a lot of investigation over the years to
convince me. Like centuries. But if there are 12 I suppose one more can't hurt.
Lets start at square one. This is what I had to do when I discovered all of this. I didnt want to be a Leo, I had been Virgo all my life....but also,
I am not one to must accept things because they are comfortable, I need logical reasons why I would be a Virgo or even Leo.
What is a birth sign/sun sign? It is the sign the sun rises in at ones birth.
The old traditions that you say you use because you 'trust' them more....were based and then fixed on the position of the stars close to 2000 years
ago. Every 72 years, the sun moves 1 degree through the signs. This is why we are not forever in the age of Aries....the start of the traditional
zodiac wheel. We have moved through Aries, and are now very much in the age of Pisces. Everyone waits the age of Aquarius which is still several
hundred years away. If we look back through history, we can see the change of the age of Taurus into the age of Aries (the golden calf that was built
by the people of Moses). What happens above always seems to effect what is below. The people always have a hard time transitioning into a new age.
The ages are based on what sign the sun is in on the spring equinox. Use the heavenabove.com or the Stellarium and fast forward to the spring equinox
date, you will see we are still in Pisces. On the Stellarium, you can jump back 2000 years and see how the sun has moved, you can go back until you
see the sun move from Aries to Pieces, around 2000 years ago. You can then (while you are back in time) go to December....watch how the sun moves into
the new sign Ophiuchus. You can right now go to heavensabove.com, go to the sun under astronomy, go to 'previous' and keep going until you get to
lets say, Dec. 10. What sign does it tell you the sun rose and set in for that day?
IF you want to use traditional methods, then you should observe the changes....as the ancients did. The ones that fixed the zodiac as if it is a
calendar are not the ancients...nor the 'traditional' uses of the zodiac. It was considered a precious understanding amongst the ancients.
While through our regular year, the sun seems to move forward through the signs....but for the ages of time, the sun seems to move backward through
the zodiac. For the yearly role of the signs, the sun was in Ophiuchus, moves into Sagittarius, moves into Capricorn, moves into Aquarius, moves into
Pisces, moves into Aries, then Taurus...and onward....this is through the year the sun moves this way.
For the ages, it goes backward....notice that in the yearly role, the sun rises Aquarius, Pisces, then Aries...but for the ages, the role would
go....Aries, Pisces, then Aquarius.
I dont know if knowing all of this has done me any good besides being very biased towards any astrologist.
Like you said, it would take convincing. I studied ever nook and cranny, it was time consuming, for I had to watch the path of the sun ( the true path
of today) every day for a couple of years. The synchronisities that occurred as I discovered all of this was almost heavenly....other worldly.....I
felt the stars were overjoyed at being discovered again.
Try it this way....try proving there is not 13 signs. Dont just take my word for it....but also, dont go telling others there is only 12 signs when
you are not sure yet.
If you are able to download Stellarium...this will show you all what I say is true. If you go to heavenabove.com and fast forward through every single
day for the rise of the sun, this will also show you the signs have changed and the days for each sign is different today compared to what it was 2000
years ago. Over 80 % of the 'traditional signs' do not match the days anymore.
Take a traditional zodiac...write down the days you believe the sun is in each sign (be specific). Now go to heavenabove.com. Go through each day for
the sun under astronomy....you will be baffled at how off it all is today by using the 'traditional' so called zodiac. The real traditional use of
the circle int he sky was through observation, not something that tries to 'fix' the circle.
I really hope you are listening now...I hope you check this all out.
[edit on 4-1-2010 by LeoVirgo]
[edit on 4-1-2010 by LeoVirgo]