Ron Paul suggests 'agenda' to expand terror war, attack American liberty

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posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by lpowell0627

Originally posted by whoshotJR
Although I generally agree with him on almost everything I don't really agree here.

Flying is not a right so if people don't like security measures they can just not fly. They have so many other ways they are taking away our freedoms I don't really count this as a way to turn us into zombies.

Will this make us any safer on airlines? Probably not but maybe. I'm all for the scanners that you walk passed and they can see through your clothing. I wouldn't mind shocking some of the security anyway


You're forgetting one thing -- it only starts at the airport. What happens when they blow up a building in LA or NYC by simply walking into it with a bomb attached? What happens when they blow up a cruise ship or sneak in through our ports? What about the subway?

THANK YOU!

i've been saying this for the longest time. Why is it always airplanes? since 9/11, every new attempt has been by plane. Everywhere else in the world, terrorist blow up trains and buses but in the US, its only planes. As if these terrorist as so dumb to keep trying for the same tactic over and over again. But when an attempt is made, it is easier to enforce rules at airports bcs the system is already in place. I doubt the public would go for a screening at the bus stop or subway station.

That alone should tell you that these events are planned, and not by the ugly boys from the other side.




posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:34 PM
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I don't really see an issue with this. The only thing they are trying to accomplish is making air travel safer. With the recent event that has happend it is surely safe to assume that it is not 100% safe.

Try not to view everything as a black op, false flag, shadow gov etc.

Some things are cut and dry.

Thanks for the post though!

BR



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:36 PM
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This guy wants to take AIRPORT SECURITY AND check UPS .. one of the most ridiculous things i have heard this guy spit our of his mouth ..


Ron Paul is trying to appeal to the "NEW LIBERTARIAN" crowd that are afraid of a few security measures .. he is preying on your fears of big brother .. Just another Dirty Politician trying to get some votes ..

His Cult keeps on growing .. thank GOD he will never be president ( or relevant)



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:36 PM
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Ron Paul is a good man, he has always said what is on his mind and some people dislike that. But, what they don't realize is he is actually standing up for what "America" stands for.

As for the people who say no security at the airports...hmm well seriously how many times has this happened? To burden everyone because the security staff that happens to be everywhere at the airport cannot do their job? I doubt it. Maybe they should train people to do their jobs properly.

Again though, people are narrow minded, what we need to realize is that people wouldn't be trying to shoe-bomb planes over here if we were not in their country killing innocents over there. If we can go over there and strong-arm their people why can they not do the same thing over there. It's like hitting your kid to let them know hitting is bad...

People really need to start paying more attention to what is going on over there and to realize that it is not just the Military over there. Blackwater is now 1:1 in Afghanistan. A private contractor that is basically above the law. They can do what they wish and not have any repercussions.

Also, I personally would be very upset if another country came into mine, killed a bunch of innocent women and children and was telling me how to live my life. I think it would push anyone to the breaking point if we had foreign military pushing us around and controlling our lives (not that we don't now.) It is their way of getting back at America for all the wrongs they are doing over there. A government is representative of the people and our government is corrupt and selfish. I mean our biggest movies in North America are about revenge when some kills a loved one, but for some reason people cannot put 2 and 2 together.

Maybe, just maybe, if we show them some respect, they will show us some back.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C
This guy wants to take AIRPORT SECURITY AND check UPS .. one of the most ridiculous things i have heard this guy spit our of his mouth ..


Ron Paul is trying to appeal to the "NEW LIBERTARIAN" crowd that are afraid of a few security measures .. he is preying on your fears of big brother .. Just another Dirty Politician trying to get some votes ..

His Cult keeps on growing .. thank GOD he will never be president ( or relevant)




Originally posted by OpTiMuS_PrImE
reply to post by Polynomial C
 


#1 Your lying what he fights for is truth and freedom which can be seen with your own eyes.

#2 If we are taking notice of this we are not sheep.

#3 Your a dis-info tard

Cry and say what else you like its the truth and you cannot defeat it.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C
This guy wants to take AIRPORT SECURITY AND check UPS .. one of the most ridiculous things i have heard this guy spit our of his mouth ..


Ron Paul is trying to appeal to the "NEW LIBERTARIAN" crowd that are afraid of a few security measures .. he is preying on your fears of big brother .. Just another Dirty Politician trying to get some votes ..

His Cult keeps on growing .. thank GOD he will never be president ( or relevant)



Again, security is only good for certain things. It is like laws, it is treating a symptom of the bigger problem. When you go see a doctor and you have symptoms of an illness he doesn't just treat the symptoms he treats the underlying problem. We seem to keep worrying about the symptoms of people coming over here and killing us when that is what we are doing over there.

Seriously I have to ask, how many English, Chinese, Japanese, Brazilians...etc are trying to blow up planes? I think that number would be in the minuscule portion, why? Were not over there blowing them up.seriously buddy 2 and 2.

And please do not refer to people who stand for the american constitution a "cult" because those are the people who started and made a decent country. It is the people who think that people are trying to kill us that are messing it up.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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See.. this guy has brainwash you completely ..

AIRPORT SECURITY IS NOT ALL ABOUT TERRORISM !!!@

What about the Drug smugglers ?? what about other types of criminal activity??

I am sure the English, Chinese, Japanese, Brazilians , etc are not trying to blow up planes .. but i am sure they would love to smuggle some Drugs ..



[edit on 30-12-2009 by Polynomial C]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C
He doesn't want freaking airport security ??


Of course he does
his opinion is though that govt. is incapable of handling that
that's all

he's not talking about a utopia
he's talking about holding an airline company accountable for security
you want govt. security on public trains or buses too?

his only point is that it's not for govt. to do it
it's the job of the maket



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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Another excellent comment by Ron Paul, Man to bad we slept on this guy in 08, he could be the President.


They would have never let him become President.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C
reply to post by predator0187
 


See.. this guy has brainwash you completely ..

AIRPORT SECURITY IS NOT ALL ABOUT TERRORISM !!!@

What about the Drug smugglers ?? what about other types of criminal activity??

I am sure the English, Chinese, Japanese, Brazilians , etc are not trying to blow up planes .. but i am sure they would love to smuggle some Drugs ..



[edit on 30-12-2009 by Polynomial C]


Seriously, the drug trade?

I personally think that all drugs should be legal. Prescription drugs are way more harmful and addicting than any "illegal" drug you can get a hold of. Also all of the "illegal" drugs kill less people by a factor of ten then cigarettes and alcohol combined. And yes, it sounds bad to legalize "bad" drugs but seriously, people are going to get them no matter what. Why not tax and regulate them? they do it to prescriptions.

The war on drugs is a sink hole anyway, they accomplish nothing and have if anything made drugs worth more money. Maybe by legalizing and getting rid of the drug war it would help our economy a bit. Don't believe what the government tells you about drugs because they would contradict themselves if they gave the real facts.

At this point your the one that is sounding brainwashed.

Also, If I was a drugs dealer importing drugs from another country I would be on my best behavior on the plane, so I don't think it is those ones you have to worry about.

Edited for spelling


[edit on 30-12-2009 by predator0187]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by whoshotJR
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
 


So do you think we should have no security measures in place for planes then? Maybe we don't need police also? We could start really young and just let our kids do w/e they please also.

I also didn't realize that being able to ride a plane was a civil liberty.


My friend I haven't flown since they started all these policies.

I didn't realize flying wasn't a service that I pay for!

I didn't realize flying but first having to be poked, cajoled, herded, proded, searched, stripped, demeaned and humilitated wasn't just purely masochist.

As a former Travel Agent, Agency Manager, and Agency Owner who once upon a time had a International Air Transportation Number I know a bit about aviation, and travelling.

That is why I won't fly anymore, I won't pay for a service were everyone acts like they are doing my a favor at the expense of my own dignity.

Just the kind of post one might expect from someone belonging to the Zionist Israeli Internet Defence Forces.

After all who would know better than the good folks at El Al Airlines who pioneered all these procedures as an arm of the Israeli State years ago because as a State they invited terrorism by stealing an indeginious people's land.

Thanks for proving my point in my original post!

[edit on 30/12/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C
Ron Paul is using people's FEAR and PARANOIA of BIG BROTHER to achieve his own dirty agenda ..

and all of you sheep are falling for it ..



And what would that be, his agenda? Please elaborate.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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I'm sorry, I've been asleep for the last 40 years, has something happened to the state of airline travel?





posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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I'm not sure you understand the message it's not really about the bombing you have to read between the lines, he says in the video that certain things seem like there being allowed to happen so that the government can tighten it's strangle hold on the masses and have excuses to do what they want abroad. I think his hands are tied when it comes to telling the nation what he really believes.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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Yeah, they have buses with wings nowadays.

What repels me from using planes as means to travel is the idiotic security and humiliation, not terrorists. I can handle facing death threat, but not bureaucratic terror. Thank you very much...



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:37 PM
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Life is like a plane seat... that's my theory at least. What I mean is, the majority of us can only afford Economy class. As a result, our seats are uncomfortable, our meals are worse than hospital food, the service is worse than a prison and so forth. But for a few wealthy individuals who can afford First class, they have a life of luxury and are unable to relate to the average Joe in Economy class... in fact, they really couldn't care less!

This is the way I see life - the upper 1% aren't affected as much as the rest of us in terms of financial loss, travel inconveniences, quality of service, etc. Hence, they really don't give a flying fig about what the majority of us have to go through.

Anyway, just wanted to say thank God for guys like Ron Paul, who stick up for the average Joe's in the world. We need more leaders like him!



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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Who said any of that?


Not to mention, walking down the street is not a civil liberty, nor is going to the mall. However it doesn't mean that your civil rights end when you do either.

Terrible justification.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 07:08 PM
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Dude that's a bit heavy what happened to respecting fellow members, as for the indigenous thing correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the palatines come from the Arabian peninsular settling around 500 ad.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by windowlicker80
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
 


Dude that's a bit heavy what happened to respecting fellow members, as for the indigenous thing correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the palatines come from the Arabian peninsular settling around 500 ad.


R-E-S-P-E-C-T respect this is what it means to me!

One must first have respect first and foremost for themselves.

To be true to one own's self to say what they mean and mean what they say.

I always say what I mean and mean what I say and make no appoligies for that because I have respect first and foremost for myself.

To much respect for myself to be treated as a common criminal at the airport while paying for a service.

I happen to be an exceptional criminal! Frankly I am used to the extra notariety and extra special treatment that comes with that!

I reject the war on terrorism and while you and I have not exchanged posts before the other member and I in question have.

Once again respect is something that has to start with yourself. If you don't respect yourself my friend no one else will.

Clearly some people have total disregard to themselves and it shows in their lives and their words and at the airports!

Ciao, and Hail Caesar!



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

Dr. Paul would fit right in here with us at ATS. The man actually comes right out and exposes the disgusting conspirational and treasonous activities that these nefarious 'elitists' are up to!

He is flat out telling the populace to WAKE UP to the programming and brainwashing that these groups are implementing against us to keep us in constant fear and "going along with the program."

Dr. Paul has to be considered the most dangerous man currently standing in our gov to the illuminati's scemes and plans. haha

Keep up the great work in the awakening Dr. Paul, we're behind you!!!



All it would take to make Dr. Paul's worst fears come true would be for the president to sign an executive order that would give international police the ability to operate inside the USA without the restrictions of the US constitution, and basically ceding American sovereignty.

While everyone has been focused on other things, our President has made a bold and very radical move toward his ultimate globalist/socialist agenda.

Enjoy ALL of your freedoms and liberty while they last...

www.nytimes.com...


WASHINGTON — Conservative bloggers and opinion outlets in recent days have expressed mounting alarm about an executive order by President Obama that extended certain diplomatic privileges and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization, better known as Interpol.

Bloggers have accused Mr. Obama of ceding American sovereignty, painting a portrait of an international police force operating on United States soil without legal restraints. They have also argued that the order is part of a plot to allow international courts to arrest and prosecute American officials for war crimes.


Andrew C. McCarthy declared that an “international police force” could now operate inside the United States “unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law.” He also suggested that the order created in the Justice Department “a repository for stashing government files” beyond the reach of Congress and the public.



And he is absolutely correct!

Despite the rebuttals.

Now the NWO can kick in your doors and arrest you right in your home town in America!



[edit on 30-12-2009 by Walkswithfish]





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