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Where was all that 95% of UA93 wreckage?

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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by hooper


I am sorry, if you think there is some kind of heat that would destroy the DNA but leave the cell intact then you really do need to do some basic science education.


Is this the science used to identify the 19 hi-jackers thru DNA

Opps my bad , 5 or 6 are still alive , and weren't near New York

That's some magic DNA testing




posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
I am sorry, if you think there is some kind of heat that would destroy the DNA but leave the cell intact then you really do need to do some basic science education.


1. Heat destroys DNA evidence.
www.exploredna.co.uk...
The high heat of the cremation process destroys DNA.

2. The DNA testing back in 2001 was not that great, thats why NIST had to come up with new testing just for 9/11.
www.nist.gov...
Due to the nature of the World Trade Center disaster, it quickly became evident that traditional methods for performing DNA typing were not likely to be fully successful in identifying all of the recovered remains. Traditional DNA ID methods depend on the presence of long, intact segments of DNA in order to accurately type the sample. The DNA in many of the samples recovered in this situation were so fragmented that these standard methods were ineffective.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by Sean48

Originally posted by hooper




Is this the science used to identify the 19 hi-jackers thru DNA

Opps my bad , 5 or 6 are still alive , and weren't near New York

That's some magic DNA testing


You see i got flamed for suggesting this in a previous thread and told an explanation something along the lines of misidentification due to arabic names being commone etc ! So what IS the REAL truth ! It's the same with every aspect of this tragic incident !



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
I am sorry, if you think there is some kind of heat that would destroy the DNA but leave the cell intact then you really do need to do some basic science education.


Um....who is teaching this science class? DNA can very easily be destroyed while the cells remain intact. Ever heard of samples that had no viable DNA to extract? The samples would still be made from cells. If you are going to rudely mock people for needing an education, you should try being correct when you do it.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:43 PM
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"Another shining example of the short term memory disorder that so many truthers seem to suffer from."

"The funny part is, I probably could have typed your post, word for word, including the grammatical errors before I even posted."

"Typical truther logic - make something up, then claim its the truth. Ignore anything to the contrary..."

Above are three typical examples used by two specific OS believers to insult and discredit truthers. I will refrain from stooping to their simple minded reasoning by not painting most OS believers with the same brush. In other words, there are OS believers who do not feel a need to scrape the bottom of the barrel because they possess class and intelligence.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by hooper
I am sorry, if you think there is some kind of heat that would destroy the DNA but leave the cell intact then you really do need to do some basic science education.


Um....who is teaching this science class? DNA can very easily be destroyed while the cells remain intact. Ever heard of samples that had no viable DNA to extract? The samples would still be made from cells. If you are going to rudely mock people for needing an education, you should try being correct when you do it.


Sorry, I have never heard of an organic cell wherein the cell was exposed to heat in such a way as to completely leave the cell intact. I generally try to stay away from "prove it" but I am going to have to call you on this one.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
Sorry, I have never heard of an organic cell wherein the cell was exposed to heat in such a way as to completely leave the cell intact. I generally try to stay away from "prove it" but I am going to have to call you on this one.


You are asking two different things. Are you asking about cells that are burned to the point where the DNA is not able to be found or are you looking for a super cell that has been burned, no traceable dna, but is magically perfect still? I never said the cells stay perfectly intact so you are changing the game so let me be clear...it is possible to have a cell that no longer has usable dna inside of it. Reconcile what you really want to ask with what I really said and try again.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by hooper
Sorry, I have never heard of an organic cell wherein the cell was exposed to heat in such a way as to completely leave the cell intact. I generally try to stay away from "prove it" but I am going to have to call you on this one.


You are asking two different things. Are you asking about cells that are burned to the point where the DNA is not able to be found or are you looking for a super cell that has been burned, no traceable dna, but is magically perfect still? I never said the cells stay perfectly intact so you are changing the game so let me be clear...it is possible to have a cell that no longer has usable dna inside of it. Reconcile what you really want to ask with what I really said and try again.


The whole thing started with the idea that the fires in the Pentagon were so all consuming so as to not leave a single trace of DNA. I then countered with, basically, why bother looking for serial numbers? Any fire capable of destroying all organic matter would also more than likely render all inorganic material unrecognizable, let alone legible for serial numbers. I was then advised that there is a form of heat that was capable of destroying DNA but leaving the cell intact. I simlpy said that that scenario is not possible.

I am aware that cells can have their DNA removed, replaced, altered, modified, etc. Invested money in companies that do such things. However, there is no way, in a fire to wholly destroy the DNA and otherwise leave the host cell intact.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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We can't help it when truthers follow the same predictable script. If the shoe fits......



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by hooper
The whole thing startblah blah blah blah blah destroy the DNA and otherwise leave the host cell intact.


I did not ask you where it started. I asked you who was teaching this science class based on this statement alone

I am sorry, if you think there is some kind of heat that would destroy the DNA but leave the cell intact then you really do need to do some basic science education.
To which you then asked me about cells remaining PERFECT minus the DNA. Obviously, you are looking for a merry go round ride. I am not offering. Thank you for admitting that your understanding of science was a bit lacking when you said this. It seems you figured things out.

Please do not let my correctness get in the way of defending a crime scene in which the coroner saw nothing to recover but the lab got over 40 pair of hands and feet.
This story is the funniest. Just as long as you understand it is possible to destroy DNA and not the entire cell. Thanks.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:28 PM
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Opps my bad , 5 or 6 are still alive , and weren't near New York


You really should update your research. The false idea that some of the hijackers were still alive was resolved long ago (late 2001).



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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First - I don't remember asking you about anything and using the word "perfect" You have some super-duper secret form of fire that destroys only the DNA of a cell? Then show me.

And what is this little piece of side crappola you tried to slip in their about some coroner saying there was nothing to recover and then the "lab" finding 40 hands and feet? When did you make that up?



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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Its about wreckage

Lets hear from Col George Nelson

Airforce crash investigator and Airplane PARTS Authority

www.rense.com...



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:44 PM
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Yes, lets hear from the man that was not present at ANY of the crash sites.

His entire story can be boiled down to this...

"The official story isnt true because nobody bothered to show ME their reports"

As if he is entitled to them, being the retired individual he is.

[edit on 3-1-2010 by Swampfox46_1999]



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
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Yes, lets hear from the man that was not present at ANY of the crash sites.


Thats your answer ?

The man is a speacilist in airplane crashes and airplane parts.

lol

Feels like the walls are closing on the OS

Its ok bud, its hard to swallow your gov was involved .



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:51 PM
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Read the edited post, Bud. The man wasnt involved in any of the investigations and it appears that his feelings were hurt by that.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Sean48


Its about wreckage

Lets hear from Col George Nelson

Airforce crash investigator and Airplane PARTS Authority

www.rense.com...



What does it say? I visited that rense site once before and lost my computer to a virus - don't go there no more.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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It basically says the Government story isnt true because nobody bothered to show Col Nelson (ret) the reports.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by hooper

Originally posted by Sean48


Its about wreckage

Lets hear from Col George Nelson

Airforce crash investigator and Airplane PARTS Authority

www.rense.com...



What does it say? I visited that rense site once before and lost my computer to a virus - don't go there no more.


well

in a nutshell , this 34 year vet of airplane crashes says theres no way in

hell those planes crashed as the OS states



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Sean48
in a nutshell , this 34 year vet of airplane crashes says theres no way in
hell those planes crashed as the OS states


He also made the statement but private investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the crash site

So it appears he or someone he knew wanted to go and visit the site but they were apparently not allowed! Do "private investigators" normally visit FBI controlled crash sites?



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