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Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by Locoman8
You are being irrational. I don't mind if people talk about God, just don't phrase it as fact. That is ignorant, dishonest, and quite frankly damaging to the conversation.
I'm not denying people have different beliefs, but if they can't demonstrate them to be true through any actual real evidence (trees are not evidence of God, btw), then they are being by definition irrational. To entertain them as valid, when trying to have a discussion, is pointless, as where do we turn logic on and off? How can we have a discussion, using language, where some illogical ideas are allowed to be called true, and others not? That makes no sense. If people are so upset about having their shaky, baseless beliefs called into question, maybe they should not parade them in front of others when they are trying to have a decent conversation?
Your evidence is not evidence, by the way. None of it is. Not even close.
2 The earth was [or "became"] without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Originally posted by nitehawk
...... This said if you look in Genesis Chapter 1 and the days of creation God always ended each day with "it was good" on all days except the day He created the firmament or the air surrounding the earth (Genesis 1:6, 1:7, 1:8). Interesting that God did not find that part of creation good.
Originally posted by lostinspace
I would argue that this passage above would also apply to a number of planets in the solar system, specifically the ones with dense atmospheres. Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are also without form and void. I believe the earth was like them in the beginning, deadly to human habitation.
Originally posted by cwt8466
Originally posted by TheMythLives
I do have a question, however, if Lucifer does have control of the world can he also create? I know it does not exactley go with your thread, but it sort of does to a point. Could Lucifer also have the power to create things as well since .............
If I remember correctly, it states somewhere in the Bible that one of the ways to distinguish the falsities of Satan from the truth of God/Jesus was the he did not have the power of creation. Satan could perform or imitate every other miracle except the gift of creation, that was exclusively God's domain.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all
the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them.
Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by St Udio
So there's no confusion, the 3 heavens are here....
1. Earth's atmosphere (firmament)
2. Cosmos of space
3. Demention of the spirit beings... God, Jesus, angels.