Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by lostinspace
Indeed it does make for an impressive event. And yes, no one has yet entered heaven. Read John 3:13:
"No man has ascended into heaven except He who came down from heaven. That is, the Son of Man who is in heaven."
From this verse alone we can determine that no man has yet entered heaven. So the archangel shout would bring the saints to the clouds.... except,
man has yet to enter heaven in this event. They have met Christ in the clouds and are on their way to earth with Christ in order to set up the
Kingdom of God post armageddon.
How are you doing today? Personally, I find your post generally welldone and full of good information, but I have a great problem with what you have
Certainly John 3:13, taken in context and translated correctly, indicates exactly this.
AT THE TIME THE JOHN 3:13 IS BEING SPOKEN, and later scribed, NO ONE WAS IN HEAVEN.
This is clear and really a NO BRAINER
Now here's my problem, but it will flow out of my agreement that at this specific point of time, NO ONE, with maybe three exceptions, was in
Christ died on the cross, correct?
It is noted He defeated DEATH, correct?
Well what does this mean??????????
In the Recreation of MAN (The 6th Day) and the creation of Adam, and later Eve (Post 7th Day), there was no noted evidence offered to indicate MANKIND
was to pass, in respects to a Physical Death.
After the "Original" Sin, the days of MAN became numbered, but there was no mechanism established to in the grand scheme of things for MAN to enter
Adam and his family upto three sons of Noah, still lived an extremely long period of time. (500, 600, 900 Plus Years for some general figures) But
they DID die. At this time, they had no chance of going to heaven, because Christ is the way, the truth, the life. No man enters Heaven except by
accepting Christ as the Personal Sacrafice God gave MAN to do just this.
During those three days in the Tomb, what did Christ do again? Rest? Relax? Chill Out? Play Tittlely Winks? Now I accept these maybe STUPID questions,
but they are such to emphasize the point.
CHRIST WAS BUSY during those three days. He defeated DEATH.
An explaination of what this implies.
He went to Hades
In Christian theology, the term hades refers to the abode of the dead. This is parallel to the Hebrew Sheol (שאול, grave or dirt-pit) and the
English Hell (Old English, hel), which was derived from Norse mythology for the land of the dead (see Hades in Christianity below).
Hades in Christianity, according to the New Testament the place where the dead will be. See also Sheol.
Hell in Christian beliefs, In the New Testament, was written in the Greek language, Hades was not often used as a synonym for hell, but since the
Middle Ages, has often been taken as a synonym for hell.
This is where Adam, Eve, Lamech, David, Noah, Issac, Ishmael, etc......, went when they Physically died. They had no manner or mechanism inorder to
enter Heaven. Christ went to this place, and had a "REVIVAL" and offered those who had died to same chance WE TODAY have. To accept Christ as their
personal savoir. Thus, he defeated death.
Paul references this in his ignorance as the heathen letter. We are to know, the dead in Christ are already in heaven. We who are alive can not get
there before them, because they are already there.
But again, I am not picking on you and meaning this with some animosity against you. Like I noted above, your post do tend to offer valid
considerations and your research to bring your thoughts forward for others to consider come with viable links supporting your views.
It's just this idea you have offered is not according to scripture, since it is very plainly seen, Christ was alive and had not taken part in the
Sacrifice upon the Cross at that time. (John 3:13) I hope you understand what I am meaning here.
P.S. Exceptions? noted above
Moses, Enoch (From the descendants of Seth) and Ezekiel
Just my opinion.