reply to post by Locoman8
I would argue the passages in Isaiah are taken out of context and no such being known as Lucifer appears in the Bible.
Instead Isaiah is referring to a king of Babylon by the title Helel Ben Shachar. The entire chapter in context tells of the song that one day the Jews
will sing of the fall of the king of Babylon,
"And it shall come to pass in the day that the L-RD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard
bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say..."
"The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing."
Helel, king of Babyon, is clearly killed in the chapter.
"Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
It calls Helel, king of Babylon, a human.
"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to
tremble, that did shake kingdoms; "
Helel won't even be buried properly and his children will be slaughtered.
"But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through
with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be
Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with
For I will rise up against them, saith the L-RD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the
Chapter 14 is primarily a prophecy about the fall of Babylon. It may even be apocalyptic, but what it is not is a chapter about Satan or primordial
The name Lucifer is a Latin name for a Roman god. It was only used as a translation of Helel.
In regards to the Satan's (the one from the Book of Job) name, it is not revealed in the Bible. In ancient Jewish lore, the name is said to be
The seven headed and ten horned dragon from Revelation 12 is called a deceiver and accuser. It needs to be clarified that this figure represents more
than one being. This is clearly an entire "spritual" empire or kingdom. Like the heads and horns of the Beast rode by "Babylon", the heads and
horns represent powers and principalities.
Compare Ephesians 6:12
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Compare Daniel 10:13
"But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help
me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia."
Compare Daniel 10:20-21
"So he said, "Do you know why I have come to you? Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when
I go, the prince of Greece will come; but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. No one supports me against them except Michael,
The powers and principalities that rule over all of the nations, except Israel, are "The Dragon". Michael is the only Prince who struggles against
the Dragon. Rev 12 is the prophetic climax of that struggle, with Michael defeating the Dragon. In some Jewish lore, Samael, is said to be the most
powerful of the "Princes" being Prince of Rome.
[edit on 30/12/09 by MikeboydUS]