Originally posted by ACTS 2:38
The Angelic fall was not before the creation of man, but after, probably around a 100 years after. Satan was jealous of God's creation man.
Well, I have been away for sometime, but reviewing this post, it appeared no one addressed your thoughts regarding this matter.
Since it is a Chronology Based Topic, it is relevant to consider this aspect.
Personally, I understood the "Fall" occured in what has been noted here previously. It took place between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.
My Reasoning comes from Genesis 1:2 itself. " 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep........". Terms offered here, contradict all other terms utilized within the Bible to describe anything GOD had or has done. Some may point to the events outlined in Genesis 6 or even to the events surrounding the destruction of Sodom and imply the actions may well be evidence alone, but no where has GOD "created" anything that was other than perfect or pleasing to God. The balance of Genesis Chapter 1 is even clear in respects to this.
So we could then address this in two manners.
1: We can seek those whom terms like "without form, and void" applies to in the scriptures
or
2: Test the translation for accuracy from the "Original" Text.
Strangely enough, we can point to Satan, (Just used for a Title/Name) as one which those terms would quite fittingly be associated with, and we can find the Translation offered may infact have a completely alternative choice of words, which expresses this event (Genesis 1:2) in a slightly different manner.
We can use the following without any intended twisting from the Original Text.
Alternative Genesis 1:2 "and the earth BECAME a WASTE and a DESOLATION,............"
In this case, we have an observed conflict. How is it the Earth BECAME a waste and a desolation?
My view would suggest, this was the "Fall".
In support of this view, Scripture expresses Satan was corrupted prior to his first act or scene, that being the seduction of Eve and the result of this, Cain. He was already doing mischief.
Even in this Post, many other examples of this have been expressed, so I trust you can understand what and where these views can originate.
Another consideration is the 6th Day. Mankind, both male and female, are instructed what foods the earth is providing for them and how they are to live in a stewardship with the earth. Strangely they are also directed to be fruitful and multiply and to replenish the earth. Replenishing denotes an effort to regain levels of something that had been met or measured on or during, a previous period.
I also have this other strange notion, that on the 6th Day, the storyline revolves the creation of something that is expressed in a familiar sense. Man.
"Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,......".
Now, I see this as being what it is, namely being a RE-creation event.
Two aspects are clear. Man, at some point in the past inhabited the earth, and despite the event that lead to Man in the past, he was not in the Image of GOD and the Angels.
So, I would suggest the timeframe of the "Fall" would predate the "Events" Outlined in the 1st Chapter of Genesis with the exception of course of Genesis 1:1, which was the begining of everything.
Now, your point about the resentment Satan and the fallen had for man, (mankind) is accurate. Satan is still jealous of man today. We are afforded choice, with redemption and forgiveness being granted, when sought. Satan has no choice, and has a oneway ticket to his ultimate destruction, The Pit. No Forgiveness, no redemption.
I hope that the late response offers some views to consider.
Ciao
Shane
