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Why People are STILL Laughing at Creationists (and ID'ers)

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posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by habfan1968

Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by randyvs
Why do atheists spend so much time attacking something they dont believe?

I can see how it might be possible for someone to look around on earth and say there is

no God, I fail to conceive how anyone could look up into the heavens and
make the same claim.



[edit on 30-12-2009 by randyvs]


Maybe the same way some Christians can look up in the clouds and see "Put your kids in t-shirts that say 'God hates fags' and go ruin a soldiers funeral"

Or maybe the same way a Christian can look in the sky and see the message to kill an abortion doctor.

You know how clouds always look like different things to different people.


No problem with Gays as it were but how can an abortionist be protected by anyone is beyond me. Don't say rape or torture because it is probably the reason for 2 - 5 % of the cases of abortion. Don't say I have no idea , because I do. I have lost three children to it and I am not a rapist nor am I inhumane and mean, it was an option given to women in an unjust society. At conception, they were alive, period. So to bomb a clinic, shoot a abortionist is justified if an abortion is justified.


so okay, it's okay to kill an INNOCENT baby if their father made them by forcing their mother to have sex? and it's okay to kill a doctor?

so you're only pro-life in some cases....

sorry about your kids btw. it is a shame, i do not support abortion either.


When and if, has long gone by the way side, a simple appointment, no justification was needed to have the procedure. My issue is if a person kills a doctor that performs abortion, I can live with that. Pregnancy by rape is wrong but that is not the main reason abortion are performed anymore.




posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by habfan1968

So, you are saying under duress that no killing is justified?


Your question is grammatically erroneous and therefor impossible to answer. Even in context, I am not sure what exact condition you are attempting to present. Can you be a little more clear?



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 01:49 AM
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killing a killer to prove that killing is wrong is ... wrong ?



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by habfan1968
My issue is if a person kills a doctor that performs abortion, I can live with that.


Jesus would be proud. Are you a Christian? Do you believe the killer to be a good Christian?



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 01:51 AM
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What is this thread even about


its about the logical interpritation and miss representation of god

and the funny part is WE CAN NOT PROVE GOD.. "as a being" "or" "entity"

yet most if not all the assclowns who shout about it TRY to prove it WITH NO evididence

like the idiots sown in the OPS vids..

its is a classic case of "brainwashed"

because logic to them is not something you can eqaute to a BEING that "desinged" LIFE

designed on of its self would mean GOD when in fact its show by basic science you do not reqire intelligence to be alive..

as its a function

if that was the case as shown in classic phyiscas and "QM" the electon that makes up the matter of your body is just as alive as you are

because of obversvation....

its so #gng stupid that people bleat on about god .. god waht?

god oh i merry silver come save us from our self becaus you made us

its pathetic and it scares most people.. who come into contact with people who toute it..

why? "BRAINWASHED MADNESS"

a function is NOT a being

MY CELLS ARE NOT CALLING ME GOD

are they? yet here i sit typing on ATS..

LOGIC



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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TextIt seems to me that thiests have had it easy for so long, why can't athiest's point out their fallacies of logic? The question to ask is why do thiest's become offended at the athiest's use of logic & science? It is surely more offending to be told that you have to believe something to be true without evidence.... I've never seen any logical reason as to why thiest's should see athiest's pointing out scientific facts, as an attack. It's merely a correction that any belief without evidence remains an unproven assertion

The systematic logic that is found throughout the universe is above and beyond more than any normal thinking person would need to know
that logic dictates an intelligent design.
Therefore a supreme being has left a great deal of evidence for his
existence.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by habfan1968

So, you are saying under duress that no killing is justified?


Your question is grammatically erroneous and therefor impossible to answer. Even in context, I am not sure what exact condition you are attempting to present. Can you be a little more clear?


Clearer, I am asking you directly if you feel any killing under threat of death or your families threat of death is right or wrong? is it justifiable in you eyes, not God's. we already know how God feels about it.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 01:57 AM
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killing a killer to prove that killing is wrong is ... wrong ?

Ya but to prove something isn't really why we kill a killer is it Zerbot?
It's for revenge.

forgive the error

[edit on 30-12-2009 by randyvs]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 01:58 AM
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OK let me just put this in context with a song..

listen to the words please..



Your OWN PERSONAL jesus.......

says it all does it not?



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by habfan1968
My issue is if a person kills a doctor that performs abortion, I can live with that.


Jesus would be proud. Are you a Christian? Do you believe the killer to be a good Christian?


I believe in God . I believe in Jesus. I do not believe in killing in any instance however we are survivalists and paternal so killing will happen because of those instincts.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 02:02 AM
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says it all does it not?

I know the song well and it doesn't say a damn thing pard lol.
I can even do better than that


[edit on 30-12-2009 by randyvs]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 02:03 AM
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Interesting points you rase , the question begs asking , what is intelligence , logic and interpretation ?

May I recommend a book to you ? Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson . I think you might find it to be of interest



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by habfan1968

Originally posted by zerbot565
althou id and creationism provides a fun case of argument as to how thing got started, i could provide a stronger case by stating that there was nothing before the first photograph and that the world formed from it.



If seeing is believing then you would also concede the first text would suffice?


sure but the biblia is worst item to asume to be the first text ever written



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 02:05 AM
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example one

: I could strangle my cat? why would i do that? why would god want to make me "make me" strangle my cat?

why would god "want" me to kill another human bieng?

GOD IS NOT A PERSON he has no compassion he DOES NOT CARE

do you know why?

because god is not HUMAN

stop thinking god is a PERSON who THINKS LIKE YOU WHO ACTS LIKE YOU

when the fact is god is just a function of something we have no idea of the outcome or reason for our function is

LOGICAL

and i love my cat.

[edit on 30-12-2009 by 13579]

[edit on 30-12-2009 by 13579]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by zerbot565
 



killing a killer to prove that killing is wrong is ... wrong ?

Ya but to prove something isn't really why we kill a killer is it Zerbot?
It's for revenge.

forgive the error

[edit on 30-12-2009 by randyvs]


as much as id like to belive that i cant , sorry ... my mind just dont comprehend

how is it revenge in anyway ?



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by zerbot565

Originally posted by habfan1968

Originally posted by zerbot565
althou id and creationism provides a fun case of argument as to how thing got started, i could provide a stronger case by stating that there was nothing before the first photograph and that the world formed from it.



If seeing is believing then you would also concede the first text would suffice?


sure but the biblia is worst item to asume to be the first text ever written


i did not say Bible or even refer to it. I have made no such assumptions.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by habfan1968
Clearer, I am asking you directly if you feel any killing under threat of death or your families threat of death is right or wrong? is it justifiable in you eyes, not God's. we already know how God feels about it.


What does it matter what I feel about it? When did I claim to be Christian or a creationist or anything at all? I can condemn a 'Christian' for saying murder is ok because I have read that Christian's book and I know they are wrong for that.

What book of mine are you going to hold me up to?



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by 13579
reply to post by habfan1968
 


example one

: I could strangle my cat? why would i do that? why would god want to make me "make me" strangle my cat?

why would god "want" me to kill another human bieng?

GOD IS NOT A PERSON he has no compassion he DOES NOT CARE

do you know why?

because god is not HUMAN

stop thinking god is a PERSON who THINKS LIKE YOU WHO ACTS LIKE YOU

when the fact is god is just a function of something we have no idea of the outcome or reason for our function is

LOGICAL

and i love my cat.

[edit on 30-12-2009 by 13579]

[edit on 30-12-2009 by 13579]


Two words you have heard before, many times I am sure, FREE WILL



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 02:09 AM
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Originally posted by habfan1968
I believe in God . I believe in Jesus. I do not believe in killing in any instance however we are survivalists and paternal so killing will happen because of those instincts.


paternal? Please clarify again.

Other than that...did you just say that you do not believe in killing in any instance...but sometimes it is ok? You are losing me.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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Sorry John if my lack of knowledge does not suit you, however, your lack of knowledge does not suit me either.


You expect me to dig out the science and post it here for you! Get a grip.


You cannot produce any evidence supporting any other theory as to how we came about now then can you?


And how does that prove any sort of creationism theory, since the title of this thread is based on those guesses?

There's some pretty well defined theories in cutting-edge science that has some chance of being able to be tested in future. Unfortunately not all theoretial scientists are good experimental scientists in order to design methods to test the theory.

All religious and pseudo-science forms of creationism have a zilch chance of being tested because there is no basis to test the "theory". As I said previously, you need to use science to test any theory in order to search for evidence. It's irrelevant to make guesses if they can never be tested, or assumed to be unprovable, because that's not making discoveries, that's massively speculating.


Again it is all conjecture until the proof is shown, which you do not have nor can you produce so please spare me, science does not have the answer and scientist readily admit they do not have the answer, so should you.


Evolution is fact, age of the Earth around 4.5 billion years old is a fact among many more, but I'm not going to do all of the work for you. If you want to learn and educate yourself, then you'll have to put some effort in yourself.

There's tons of science that is fact and not conjecture, and a great deal of it a well that scientists in a particular field simply don't have the time to understand everything from other fields, and so they all work together to provide a full picture. (Something that religions can never be bothered to do! Not that they have much to discuss with each other anyway.
)

There's a difference between conjecture that has a basis in logic and maths, and conjecture that isn't and instead based on a make-believe scenario.

You seem to have a grudge against science when science has provided so much to our existence and knowledge base, and it's immature to complain that you don't have all of the answers, and quite frankly ridiculous.

Name just one fact about our origins that religions have uncovered! Zilch!

Name one scientific method to test creationism/ID!

It's a poor attempt to add credibility towards ID by saying that science hasn't explained everything, and therefore your own guesses must be true. Especially when so far your own guesses provide nothing of value, and science has learnt a great deal and continues to provide us with useful knowledge about the universe and ourselves. The human race has to work for answers, and not expect them on a plate!

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