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Why People are STILL Laughing at Creationists (and ID'ers)

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posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 10:58 PM
Reply to post by SuperFlyingZombies

How increbiably naive of you. EVERYONE has an agenda. It's just a question of what that agenda entails. Blind trust in someone doesn't negate that.

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posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 11:39 PM
In a religious debate, I try to keep my views as neutral as possible.

Religion is like Swiss cheese: full of holes, yet aged to perfection.

posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 11:50 PM

Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

If dawkins is such an intelligent man, why does he not debate with an intelligent creationist?

He refuses to debate anyone on the other side, unless he can walk all over them. There are people in the creationist movement that are good enough to debate him, but he goes and debates people with no skills what so ever, to hold back his useless arguments like believing in god, is like pink elephant rubbish.

Darwinism is a religion, and dawkins is the al gore of this movement, all rubbish spewed, and just wants to ridicule, anything against him.

First, what does this have to do with either of the videos, or the thread for that matter.

Second, one need not be an atheist to have a problem with Creationists and the rubbish they spew. I am certainly not an atheist, but I have a HUGE problem with Creationists and Fundamentalists (of all flavors)!

posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 11:54 PM
reply to post by randyvs

Why do atheists spend so much time attacking something they dont believe?

I'll answer that question with a question: Why do Creationists spend so much time attacking something (Evolutionary Theory) they don't believe?

I'll bet the answer is the same... Only difference is that Evolutionists (not all of us are atheists) have evidence and data on their side, Creationists have an over translated ancient text and nothing else whatsoever....

posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Deny Arrogance
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

It's rather ironic that you chose to post holocaust photos.

That was justified and rationalized by Darwinism.

Do a little research on eugenics.

It was justified because they were the killers of Christ. Do a little research on history.

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 12:07 AM

Originally posted by trueperspective
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

You do realize that you're commiting a logical fallacy with this ENTIRE post right?? The actions of men can not be used to describe the character of God. This is the same line of arguement that Christopher Hitchens uses in his book God is not Great. This argument falls utterly short and should sway no one. GOD IS NOT DEFINED BY THE ACTIONS OF MAN!

Try rereading the post again. There is no logical fallacy involved. These were indeed acts committed by men who used their religious beliefs to justify these acts. The post in no way implied that they in any way define God. They are, however, excellent examples of the things that people have done and used the literal words of the Bible to justify them.

Nothing more, nothing less...

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 12:21 AM

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

I'm not an atheist

Ah another self made self serving religion then. Same thing.

Not religious either. Spiritual and still asking questions... Not arrogant enough to think I have any of the answers, unlike Religion. BIG DIFFERENCE!

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 12:27 AM
reply to post by AshleyD

You have been one of the very few that I have been able to hold an intelligent, non-flaming debate on this subject with. For that you will always have my respect (even when I think you're wrong)!

And I mean this sincerely from the bottom of my heart: GOD BLESS YOU, AshleyD! If all Christians were like you, the world would be a much better place! And if all Religious folk were like you, I would not have any issues with anyone on that basis!

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 12:37 AM

Originally posted by mamabeth
To all those on this thread...If it weren't for christians,creationists and
intelligent designers.What would you have to debate about?You need
us more than we need you!

Hmmm... Let's see...

The Democrats
The Republicans
The Government
Terrorist Plots
The Galactic Federation of Light
The Constitution
Public Schools
Global Warming
Pirates off the coast of Africa

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 01:54 AM
Ok, heres a hypothetical question...

Would we be still having this conversation if the first half of the old testament wasn't there?

I am a Christian, but I continually get confused when I go back near the beginning of the book. Lets face it, Jesus preached a message of peace and non-violence that inspired many people to do the right thing when it was the hardest to do. I focus on the Gospels. Maybe we should be discussing what the heck is going on at the beginning of the bible. Jesus quoted from the OT but does that mean he took it literally; obviously not because he preached against the religious leaders of his day. I don't know, I guess putting the books together just confuses me.

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 02:03 AM
reply to post by Bilw85

Amen and pass the mashed potatoes! I have never understood the need of Fundamentalist Christians to cling so tightly to the text of a religion that is not their own... Kinda reminds me of 'Jews for Jesus'....

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 02:38 AM
Another thought came to my mind just now...

Doesn't Jesus Almost always try to give his message through Parables? Why can't the Old testament be considered parables? Maybe God is a big story teller? I'm sure there is truth somewhere that actually happened in the OT, like prophets and wars and such. But I don't think our earth is so young; though maybe not as old as some people think.

I remember reading some great books that have changed the way I think. Just because the events never happened physically, the message was no less true.

So here is the solution to the argument: Find a role model in history that preached for a good cause...Jesus, Gandhi, MLK Jr., Buddah, Dalai Lama, Gandalf...and try to be like them. Then find the charity that best suits you and start donating and/or volunteering.

Both sides, athiest and religious need to stop evangelizing. NOONE is going to get it right! I see no reason why anyone who has not found the absolute truth should be sentenced to infinite torture.

I get what the OP is against, I was a fundie for a while too. After a while of being in a fundie church I started really hating a lot of people. I hated Gays, Muslims, Buddists, Other denominations. It was awful. The hardest part in any of this is admitting you were brainwashed. I mean I kept saying I can't be brainwashed because I'm smart. When you snap out of it, its hard to ever trust anyone ever again.

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 06:16 AM
reply to post by moocowman

Tinkywinky? You forgot dipsy,lala and po.My grandson loved teletubbies.

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 06:20 AM
reply to post by moocowman

You will know a christian by the fruit they bear, are
a bad apple.

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 06:42 AM
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

You win this round,but not the final battle!

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 06:55 AM
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

Salvation is to the jews first, then the gentiles.Because the jews would
not believe,the apostles preached to the gentiles.The time we are living
in,is the time of the gentiles.When that time comes to an end,then the
jews will accept the gospel of Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 07:53 AM
[edit on 31-12-2009 by l neXus l]

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 08:41 AM

since you enjoy logic, did it ever occur to you that Humans are the only living things able to use logic? Able to communicate verbally? Able to adapt to any surroundings or environment? All other species on the planet are actually subservient to us? Man is created in His own image and woman is created using the Rib of Adam so really there is an explanation for the God is not a she hypothesis.

It might do some good to look at recent research on Neanderthals. Gee, I wonder what we might think when the next evolutionary leap looks at us as dumb soul-less monkeys suitable for nothing but bush meat, entertainment, and medical experiments (as we currently view the animal kingdom).

[edit on 31-12-2009 by whatsup]

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 09:42 AM
At first i was leaning towards athiest views but i was spiritual at the time. Until i learnt that the communist and atheist movement has been hijacked by the globalists for their socialist agenda.
I then realised more and more that the movement is actually anti-creation. Not because of religious views but more their historical views on spirituality.
What i see as anti-creation or should i say anti nature or anti God: If there was sometthing higher then Humans such as God and i wanted power and to be like God myself i would do this
Genetic modification: I dont want humans eating what was designed for them. I will manipulate it and change it so that im God.
Genetic manipulation of species: What God created everything in his image buh humbug im better then a God i will create my own.
Technology: Well humans cannot roam the earth and live in it because God did not create any devices that was not already in nature. How can humans survive without destructive technology.
Codex: I would rather tell people what they should eat as i dont want them to discover nature and grow their own food they need to eat out of my hands.
NWO: I would take over the world and it will be mine huahauahhahaha the people are mine and they are now designed in my image.
Add that to just abut anything people in power want to do at that is to be their own God/s.

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

The above is actually from congress Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals



Thursday, January 10, 1963

[edit on 31-12-2009 by Applesandoranges]

posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 10:09 AM
hmmm....seem to have gotten a bit off topic.

Creationist are funny because they are trying to argue a proof of God, that the Bible tells them not to looks for.

You are meant to have faith, not proof, and that's what makes it unshakable.

It's that same as the line said earlier, about the point of Christianity is to be a martyr if need be, but at least to do everything possible to avoid that first.

Angry comments simply seem self-defeating.

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