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Originally posted by Moonman1111
Jews couldn't find their way out of a small patch of dusty sand for nearly 40 years. Who are you kidding sir.
Sails of Hope
The Secret Mission of Christopher Columbus
[From dust cover: Mr. Wiesenthal confirms what many scholars have long believed: Columbus was a converso--a baptized Jew whose career and very survival depended upon the total suppression of all evidence of his Jewish background. And, until now, the facts about his life were obscured by myth, rumor, and conflicting accounts; Spain, Portugal, and Italy still quarrel over his place of birth. His aristocratic bearing, extensive education, and multi-faceted talents belied the humble background he claimed. His sophisticated personal library reflected an uncom- monly broad knowledge of languages, history, geography, and the Bible, and his reading notes point to a surprising knowledge of Hebrew lore. Columbus was also an expert cartographer--at that time a profession practiced almost exclusively by Jews.]
Before you know it the arabs, pakastanis, chinese and africans will all be claiming that they were here first.
Today, four defensive, revenue-driven multinational corporations - Pearson, Houghton Mifflin, Harcourt and McGraw-Hill - offer fewer and fewer standard textbooks for states and teachers to choose from.
None of these publishing giants shows the least interest in innovation, change or offering books that come closer to meeting the wishes of textbook critics and state-level curriculum reformers. Instead, publishers cater to pressure groups for whom history textbook content is an extension of a broader political or cultural cause. They make books whose content is meant to suit the sensitivities of groups and causes more interested in self-promotion than in historical fact, scholarly appraisal, or balance. They are, more likely than not, listening to the wrong voices.
The collaboration of educational publishers with pressure groups and textbook censors is disturbing.
Determining what history children will learn, who will be heroes and villains, what themes will dominate, and what message will be sent are crucial subtexts in civic education. At worst, biased instructional materials are undermining students' appreciation for America and citizenship.
In 1507, Martin Waldseemüller produced a world map on which he named the new continent America after Vespucci's first name, Amerigo. In an accompanying book, Waldseemüller published one of the Vespucci accounts, which led to criticism that Vespucci was trying to upset Christopher Columbus' glory. However, the rediscovery in the 18th century of other letters by Vespucci, primarily the Soderini Letter, has led to the view that the early published accounts could be fabrications, not by Vespucci, but by others.
Columbus never thought Vespucci had tried to steal his laurels, and in 1505 he wrote his son, Diego, saying of Amerigo, "It has always been his wish to please me; he is a man of good will; fortune has been unkind to him as to others; his labors have not brought him the rewards he in justice should have."
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by lordtyp0
If you want to generalize all religion, yes. But I find that generalization is a sure sign of a weak mind.
Originally posted by pepsi78
By the way, before columbus there was Vespuci Amerigo who went to North America.
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by lordtyp0
Sure thing. If you stop pretending the topic you are talking about *incessantly, guess it must be good to have to something to crusade against* is not a rather broad category that is often in contradiction of it's self. Don't see that happening but I always stand ready to be surprised.
Originally posted by lordtyp0
Well you know:
According to the LDS (Mormon) Doctrine. Native Americans are what is left of the 'missing tribe of israel'.
They believe this Jewish tribe came to the U.S. and because of a curse of some sort became the Nephites and the Lamanites. Lamanites were the cursed ones with darker skin and savage disposition. The Nephites were 'fair complected'. Then the Lamanites killed all the Nephites..
I kid you not, the LDS believe this. Ain't religion just... pure and not-that-racist?
According to the Book of Mormon a Nephite is a member of one of the four main groups of settlers of the ancient Americas. The other three groups are the Lamanites, Jaredites and Mulekites. In the Book of Mormon, the Nephites were a group of people descended from or associated with Nephi, a prophet who left Jerusalem at the urging of God circa 600 BC and traveled with his family to the Western Hemisphere, arriving in the present-day Americas circa 589 BC. Mormon scholars generally believe that the Nephites settled somewhere in present-day Central America after fleeing their homeland. The Book of Mormon describes the Nephites as an initially righteous people, who eventually fell into wickedness and were utterly destroyed by their brothers the Lamanites circa AD 385.
The ancient Nephites practiced Judaism before the coming of Christ on the American continent, and Christianity after his resurrection until the early fourth century. Throughout the Book of Mormon the term "Nephite" in the religious sense refers to a believer in Jesus Christ, either before his coming, or after.
The Book of Mormon describes the Lamanites as descendants of Laman and Lemuel, two rebellious brothers of a family of Israelites who crossed the ocean in a boat around 600 BCE. Their brother Nephi founded the Nephite nation. The Lamanites reputedly gained their dark skin as a curse for their rebelliousness, and warred with the Nephites over a period of centuries. The book says that Jesus appeared and converted all the Lamanites to Christianity; however, after a couple hundred years, they fell away and eventually exterminated all the Nephites. By the end of the Book of Mormon, the Lamanites were defined less by their skin color than by their lack of Christianity.
According to the Book of Mormon, the family of Lehi (a wealthy Hebrew prophet), the family of Ishmael, and Zoram traveled from the Middle East circa 600 BC to the Americas by boat.
The Nephites later discovered another civilization living in America, and the combined group also called themselves Nephites. According to the Book of Mormon, there were many interactions between the Lamanites and the Nephites; intermittent war, trade, and proselytizing transpired with varying degrees of success. God initially marked the Lamanites with a darker skin color to identify them and their state of wickedness. The Nephites were initially righteous, though over time, individuals and sub-groups defected and joined the Lamanites. Likewise, some penitent Lamanites defected to the Nephites.
Following the American visitation of the resurrected Jesus Christ, the Lamanites and Nephites coexisted for two centuries in peace (from circa AD 30 until 230); "There were no robbers, nor murderers, neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites; but they were in one, the children of Christ, and heirs to the kingdom of God." Eighty-four years after the coming of Christ, "a small part of the people who had revolted from the church" started calling themselves Lamanites. After four generations this period of peace and cooperation between the two suffered corruption and decline as social and economic classes resurfaced. In the year 231 "[the] true believers in Christ" started calling themselves Nephites. The Lamanites became a larger portion of the population until, some time after AD 400, the Nephite people were destroyed in a series of large wars with the Lamanites.
Originally posted by Moodle
technically i think this thread is about a half a step away from blatant racism. it isn't just yet but i can't imagine for it to be headed anywhere other than it. not that i care mind you, you can bash the jews all day long and i don't care. i don't particularly like any of the races except arab women. they're hot as hell adn they don't stink half as bad as teh indian women.
aside from all that just what in the hell is the point of this? i don't think anyone comes to this site that has any delusions about good ol' chris actually discovering america. i'm pretty sure we all know that the indians were already living there. and then there's the other sweaty sailors and maybe even more.
so just what int he hell are you sayign?