In this world, there's always a battle between resources and ethics. The reality is that it costs taxpayer money to keep people in prison. China cannot afford to waste any money, with their population as big as it is.

My view on the death penalty is the same as my view on eating meat, and that is you've gotta be practical. If you don't eat animals, then they will overbreed. Likewise, we don't need to waste our resources on useless humans, unless they're making an attempt to turn their life around, and become a contributing member to society.

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we don't need to waste our resources on useless humans, unless they're making an attempt to turn their life around, and become a contributing member to society.

Now I've read it all. What constitutes a contributing member of society? And of which society are you speaking? The one in which I have lost all faith in because a life is now as worthless to some as a penny? Is a politician who lies to his constituents a contributing member of society? Is a policeman who takes bribes a contributing member of society? The problem is the society is broken and has been for a very very very long time. The post above this says also that no matter how bad China are we should pat them on the back for killing a man who was convicted of carrying drugs... drugs which are trafficked globally by international dealers who are protected by many western governments. Don't think these shipments that come into Europe and America aren't known about. The one's who aren't paying for protection are the one's who will end up convicted and slaughtered. The one's who pay the man often have a nice easy passage in transporting their wares.

The system is broken and some of you buy into it all too easily. Taking the moral high ground is one thing but knowing when a punishment fits a crime is another. I genuinely believed that there was much more gusto and resolve in the conspiratorial world - but it seems most of the posters in this thread are happy with the laws and justifications for unnecessary deaths.

Is the human race so far devolved and brainwashed that no one really see's that there wouldn't be drug dealers if we managed our resources properly? That there wouldn't be desperate emotive crimes committed if we looked after every individuals needs as we know can be achieved with the plentiful stock provided by nature?

As long as you carry on blaming the individual for the crimes they commit you will never be doing more than promoting ignorance. That's not the ATS way is it?

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Originally posted by rcwj1975
Well regardless of how you feel about the death penalty, I am SICK and tired of this mentally ill crap defense.

How is it a grown man, or woman can claim to be mentally ill, YET have the presence of mind to set up ellaborate drug running rings with multiple players, plan out murders down to the last detail, etc... I hear this defense a lot, but its funny how mnetally ill people only claim such AFTER their caught...again, how it must be to have the MIND to know you did wrong AFTER the fact...hmmmmmmm

As for this guys case...I am NOT buying his defense. It's called the GOT CAUGHT, think of something quick defense.

Hundreds of people are out to death all over the world every year for drug smuggling and you have never ever made a post about it - why now - oh because this time the perpetrator is British, is white, is Anglo and has put forward a defense of mental instability - PLEASE - are you fcking kidding me.

Why don't you show some integrity and honesty about the issue and fess up that you are appalled that a foreign country is allowed to apply its own laws to your own kind - that your own people are subject to the laws of foreign countries - fess up that you are appalled that you find it abhorrent that you are merely an equal to other nations and not above and beyond the barbarous laws of foreign nations.

There is simply nothing quite as vile as cultural arrogance - quite grotesque. Especially from a nation such as England with the worst track record of any nation in the modern world - seriously get a grip.

Quite ironic really when you consider the historical perspective of the UK enforcing the heroin trade upon China and killing literally millions of people through enforced drug addiction in order to maintain the balance of trade payments through the spice and tea trade - do you know what irony is ?

Hong Kong was one big drug payment to the UK.

But please, don't let me interrupt your moral indignation - perhaps you could some up something about the Indians and their use of salt or cotton mills to assuage your guilt over the genocide of millions and millions of Indians over the course of 400 years int eh most abhorrent forced slavery of an entire subcontinent - how dare they use salt.....

So in your black and white world, everybody is mentally stable then?

I suggest you go and educate yourself on the varieties of mental illnesses that plague the human mind, and try and avoid your cartoon-esque imagery of mental people somehow being incapable of thought.

HO-OH! i believe someone has a chip on their shoulder.

Originally posted by neformore
His family said he was mentally ill.

If he was, there would be GP records of it, which I'm sure the foreign office would have bought to light after being asked for assistance by the family.

Guess what though - the Chinese court received no such information in the two years the case has been running.

The guy had 4kg (141 ounces) of heroin on him - as the article rightly states thats enough to kill over 26,000 people - damn near a WMD if you look at it in one perspective.

Anyone being killed is a tradgedy for their family - I can understand that, but the simple fact is that the guy broke the law, in China, and the penalty for such is death.

Their country, their system, their punishment - none of our business

Don't want to get the death penalty in China? Don't smuggle drugs.

Sounds harsh I know, but its true.

Whether any of us here an ATS agree with the death penalty or not is of no consequence. This man now has family that are standing up for him and saying he has issues and should not be punished according to the laws of the land he was caught in. They even know how and why he was making the trip to China in the first place my question now is, why the *%$@ did they let him go knowing full well he had no singing experience, I know why it's because 1. they thought he could do it and they could get some cash out of it( implying his illness was not such an illness) or 2. they were in on it hoping they could score easy cash.

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