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Originally posted by Lillydale
Interesting. So which aspects of his bipolar disorder excuse his crime, exactly? What do you know about the disorder and his supposed degree of it? What do you know about how it applies to a person's ability to ascertain and understand certain knowledge? I would really like to understand how being bipolar excuses you from blatantly breaking obvious laws.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
Not once in my post did i ever claim to be a Doctor.
I suggest you go and educate yourself on the varieties of mental illnesses that plague the human mind, and try and avoid your cartoon-esque imagery of mental people somehow being incapable of thought.
I know of two people with bi-polar disorder, one of them is a musician and despite being possibly the most talented musician i know, he suffers from agoraphobia, irrationality and paranoia.
The other person is a family member, who swings from being the happiest person i know, to a very sad person and it's not good to witness.
I never said bi-polar excuses you from laws anywhere in my post. Please go and join the back of the queue of all the other people who are putting words into my mouth.
To sum it up:
I do NOT like the death penalty , at the same time i don't like drug smugglers... The answer is, to try them all fairly and squarly and lock them away if they pose a threat to humanity.
If a person is mentally ill or not, they should be analysed anyway to see if they are fit enough to stand trial.
Originally posted by Lillydale
So I assumed this would be something you educated yourself about instead of making some cartoon-esque post. Are you not educated on the matter? Seems a shame to tell others they need to be before they can reply to you about it.
Then he suffers from more than bi-polar disorder. Not relevant.
At which point do they forget what is and is not against the law to do?
I am sure you do not want me to quote you again.
So what is the problem? He smuggled drugs. He was caught. He was tried fairly under their system.
Apparently they gave it a good two years.
I guess I am not sure what your point is. Why so arrogantly flaunting the legal benefits of mental illness and telling people what to go learn about if you do not know and even if you did, it would not apply here.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
It's a little thing called experience.
Completely relevant, i fail to understand your logic.
At what point did you twist my words so far that you started imagining a completely different conversation?
Do you even know what 'rationality' means? Try 'irrationality' and then use your imagination.
I'd rather you quoted me, than put words in my mouth.
Define 'fairly'.
and whats the average waiting time for an inamte on death row in china?
I'm trying to suggest to people that mental illness is not as black and white as people make out. Yes - some people will jump on the bandwagon and start claiming 'mental illness' but that is why i suggested all inmates get analysed by a professional. But for some members to suggest anyone who uses that in their case is automatically guilty is not exactly fair is it?
Besides, there are a number of issues to discuss here:
The validity of mental health arguements in the various legal systems?
Is it necessary to execute smugglers?
The harsh political climate of the super powers?
Originally posted by neformore
Guess what though - the Chinese court received no such information in the two years the case has been running.
Originally posted by neformore
The guy had 4kg (141 ounces) of heroin on him - as the article rightly states thats enough to kill over 26,000 people - damn near a WMD if you look at it in one perspective.
Originally posted by neformore
Their country, their system, their punishment - none of our business
Originally posted by IAF101
There are clear records of him being diagnosed with bi polar disorder in the UK and this was widely reported as well. How can a so called court of justice dispense the death penalty on a person they even suspect to be mentally ill ?? That shows their haphazard system of justice.
Originally posted by IAF101
When china tries a western citizen, the accused is not the only one on trial. The Chinese justice system and the entire Chinese government is on trial as well in the eyes of the world, especially in trials of diplomatic importance. And when they execute a mentally unstable person without even an investigation into his mental status, despite widespread media reports to the same it just demonstrates the backwardness of the Chinese "justice" system and the government in general !
Originally posted by SteveR
China should not execute any UK/EU citizen. That is an act of war!
We tolerate this why?
Originally posted by IAF101
There are clear records of him being diagnosed with bi polar disorder in the UK and this was widely reported as well.
This is an extreme facetious argument!
Hitler gassed and killed millions in his extermination camps, it was his country, his system and his rules. Does that make it right ??
When china tries a western citizen, the accused is not the only one on trial. The Chinese justice system and the entire Chinese government is on trial as well in the eyes of the world, especially in trials of diplomatic importance. And when they execute a mentally unstable person without even an investigation into his mental status, despite widespread media reports to the same it just demonstrates the backwardness of the Chinese "justice" system and the government in general !
Prof Stone said the authorities would not want to be seen to make an exception for a foreign man but the issue of mental illness was an important consideration in Chinese law.
"The Chinese law is actually pretty careful about mental health issues," he said. "They have special dispensations, special rights, greater right to counsel.
"In this case, the issue of mental illness seems not to have been raised until after the trial was over and the death sentence had been handed down."
Originally posted by neformore
His family said he was mentally ill.
....The guy had 4kg (141 ounces) of heroin on him - as the article rightly states thats enough to kill over 26,000 people - damn near a WMD if you look at it in one perspective.
Originally posted by Donnie Darko
would it be accurate to say Australians support the death penalty if done abroad, but not if done by Australia?
[edit on 29-12-2009 by Donnie Darko]