Ugh, well done OP - mission accomplished. Another wank fest for those on both sides.

I pray for the .. No actually, I don't pray, that's silly.. I *hope* for the day a topic like this can be discussed without the inherent BS that is brought to it from eagerness to shock by those yumming at steaks and emotion for change by those smiling at dandylions.

nah, never happen.

I forgot to make the observation that the OP is arguing for a moral equivalence for plants and animals. Therefore they conclude that because vegetarians eat plants then logically they should also eat animals. Even accepting the assumed moral equivalence for the sake of argument, surely the logical conclusion would not be that vegetarians should eat animals but that no one should eat plants or animals?

Otherwise, they would be arguing that inflicting needless pain is morally ok. Maybe that is what they are arguing?

And one more thing: instead of talking about the sufferings and sorrows of carrots and Brussels sprouts, maybe you should be more concerned about the systematic destruction of ancient forests in order to make room for intensive farming and pastures.

If plants are sentient, I'm sure a tree that has lived for hundreds of years in some cases is smarter than a carrot that lives for one season. Not to mention a lot more valuable to their ecosystem.

Originally posted by '___'omino
Is there an expert in the house who could turn into a plant so we can see what it is like?

. . . . Anyone?

Once again, EVERYONE IGNORED the most intelligent response.

Are people here so blind? '___'omino, I don't always agree with you, but you've made the most intelligent statement of the week (at the least).

Bravo, bravo. And star. AND WHY ISN'T ANYONE ELSE STARRING?!

Enjoy the never-ending pointlessness.

I Think Wallachian is 100% right. The next question for me is, how you can have a dog or a cat and at the same time you eat "cow children" every day at McD?

Is it probably possible that meat eaters exactly feel, that something is inconsistent in there picture of the world. Maybe the moral astpect of a burger hurts all the time you eat one. So lets say vegans are killing plants so its okey when i LET kill YOUNG animals every day for "JummyJummy". Can you tell me that this is necessary?!

Why dont cook your dog? So, now ask again why some vegetarians getting agressive if you are so ignorant to all!?

I'm 1.94 Meters, 95 Killograms and very healty @34Years, i don't eat animals since 21 years now, so tell me what my problem should be exactly?!

If you eat a egg or two pee week and some nuts and a bit soya or chickpeas. YOU NEVER NEED MEAT TO LIVE HEALTHY.

I love meat and always will! I never understood the whole "don't eat meat" thing....it is wierd if you ask me. The whole theory behind it is bizarre. Should we make animals who eat other animals vegetarians as well? Isn't this what is called the circle of life?
If plants can feel and know what is going on and try to protect themselves from attack, then their whole theory goes out the window. What will they come up with now???? Whatever they come up with will be bull no matter what. What is wrong with the world today?

Originally posted by watcher73
In response to the moral issue: Are there any animals that live for only a season, roughly 4-5 months and then die anyway?

I suppose the length of a life denotes the quality of a life?

Something that I've never understood about Vegans - most Vegans are "Pro Choice".... isn't that a bit of a contradiction in their philosophy?

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Thank you for posting this. I;ve always felt that plants were sentient beings and deserving the same respect we give animal life. Why vegans think animals "feel" more than plants do has always eluded me. If you're going to embrace the earth, love ALL of it.

Since you can't possibly be proposing that we don't eat any foods, I suppose your argument is that since all creatures feel, there is no point in distinguishing them. If that is your argument, then what stops you from eating people?

-rrr

Everything is aware, including water and rocks. This is no suprise that plants are alive too and have a form of perception. We ALL eminate from the same source of energy.

I was at a lecture where somebody from a Scottish University proved that carrots suffer shock when ripped from the ground.

I know that the Jains in India don't eat root vegetables, like onions and carrots. Maybe they know an ancient knowledge that has been lost in our world today.

I remember watching a video about the Kogi Indians of South America, where during a priest ceromony, intructions where given not to cut off branches from mango or avacado trees, those trees feel pain, 'it is like cutting off a human arm or a leg'.

That leaves the question what can we eat without causing suffering? Fruit?

I watched a David Icke video, where he stated at one point in our past, the earth was in a perfect energy balance, creatures did not need to feed off each other. All of our energy was supplied from the sun and our surroundings. Some Yogi's in India have perfected that balance and do not eat or drink (see video's on You Tube). And that balance is going to be restored soon over the next few years.