Holocaust survivor stages hunger strike for Gaza

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Epstein was born to a Jewish family in Freiburg, Germany, and in 1939 fled Nazi persecution via the Kindertransport to England. All but two of her family were killed at Auschwitz concentration camp during the Holocaust.

en.wikipedia.org...

Just because certain people don't like her message does not mean she didn't escape the same persecution that killed most of her family.

She survived, when most of her family didn't.

Which part of 'holocaust survivor' isn't true in her case?

New Years Eve. Not in a mood for this stuff - maybe Next Year (tomorrow)

This woman Epstein is a scripted sock puppet for a vicious organization called ISM.

More below - but some comments on what is a Holocaust Survivor first:

littlegreenfootballs.com...

[Eugene McGovern]

"I no longer assume that anybody speaking as a survivor or liberator or witness of the camps is for real, unless they can provide indisputable evidence of their identity and their experience.

In the past 59 years, it is amazing, disgusting, and mind-boggling how many B.S. artists have used the camps as a springboard for speaking careers or other money-making projects. NOTE: I am not saying that Ms. Epstein falls into this category, just that it is a common phenomenon and I am now skeptical of anybody making claims about the camps, particularly startling or unusual claims.

For examples, google topics like the discredited PBS documentary "Liberators: Fighting on Two Fronts" (Michael Moore would have been proud of the "lying to convey an essential truth" approach of this project), or Paul Parks or Leon Bass -- all of whom fabricated history to create a fiction about black units liberating the camps. The Soviets and East Germans fabricated much propaganda about glorious socialist heros who liberated camps that were actually liberated by American units. Some political prisoners have fabricated or exaggerated self-liberation stories. Even American veterans have been known to fabricate stories about their own heroic liberating exploits, only to be exposed as frauds.

In short, in a little over half a century, the true stories and factual horrors of the Holocaust are being perverted and diluted by people who have bent these events to their own use or agendas. Before getting too upset or amazed by the existence of a Ms. Epstein, the first question to ask is: Is she who she says she is? And: Did she experience what she says she experienced? Some people here have already noted that her bio seems "not quite right". She may be worse than a moonbat and a tool; she may be a fraud."

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"... a well-known scholar of Jewish history who has traced the dilution of what defines a "survivor." Immediately after the war, the term was reserved strictly for those who were in death camps (such as Birkenau). Then it was expanded to inmates at any camp. Then it was further expanded to include any Jew who had a run-in with a Nazi. And so on. As the decades progressed, the definition got looser and looser. Starting in the '70s and '80s it began to include people -- such as Hedy Epstein -- whose relatives were killed by the Nazis. This scholar is of the opinion that very soon, any Jew who was born before April 1945 will be officially classified under the rubric of "survivor" -- i.e. If you shared planet Earth with Hitler, even for one minute, then you're in the club."

www.militantislammonitor.org...

International Solidarity Movement

... ISM members intend to create havoc and provide cover for terrorism, vandalism, and violence under the guise of being "peace activists." The organizers had their passports specially stamped by Israeli authorities, meaning that they cannot use them to enter Israel for five years. Meanwhile, the ISM caravan went back to Syria.

Why Syria? Syria is the main support base for Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the PLO's Communist Party wing. The PFLP's General Command affiliate is believed to have between 500 and 1,000 members there as well, maintaining offices in Damascus and the Yarmouk refugee camp outside the Syrian capital, as well as several major military bases around the country. That the ISM caravan turned around and headed to Syria is telling: it hints at a possible collaborative connection between the PFLP and the ISM.

That would not be altogether surprising. After all, the ISM was created with the assistance of PFLP activists, with the blessing of the late Yasser Arafat, during the second Intifada in 2001. Significantly, the PLO is not a single organization. Rather, it is an umbrella group of organizations sharing the same ultimate goal: the dismantling of Israel. While Hamas (one wing of the PLO) blows up innocents in Israel, Fatah (another wing) pretends to be the negotiator and peacemaker so as to exact concessions. The PFLP is one of the more violent factions of the PLO and has also inspired other groups in the PLO umbrella such as the "Democratic" (as opposed to Communist) PFLP and the PFLP General Command. The largest segments of the PFLP are communists/anarchists who have allied with American and European anarchists.

Like the PLO itself, the PFLP organizes an international conglomerate of smaller radical communist/anarchist cells on behalf of the PLO, particularly on U.S. college campuses. No central organization exists in any one place: Al Awda (Arabic for the right of return); SUSTAIN (Stop U.S. Taxpayer Assistance for Israel Now); Middle East Children's Alliance; Duke Divest; Students for Justice In Palestine; the Alternative Palestinian Agenda; and many differently named groups prevent our government from defining any centralized authority. Its leadership and guidance comes from the PFLP, with the aid of Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and other terrorist groups. Whatever the names used, the central goal of the ISM is the destruction of the democratic state of Israel and its replacement with an Arab-dominated state, "by any means necessary."

Similar motives propel the ISM. Among some ISM members' long-term goals is dismantling the democratic, capitalist government of the United States. This was confirmed at the Duke University National Palestine Solidarity Movement Conference in 2004. At that event, Abe Greenhouse -- an ISM activist from Rutgers University who smashed a pie in the face of former Soviet dissident Natan Sharansky -- explained that the International Solidarity Movement's activities are the training ground for the American Anarchist Movement. Stop the ISM once intercepted an ISM message discussing effective methods of public relations. One proposal was that the American branch of the ISM should adopt the moniker ISM-USA, in order to invoke patriotic sentiments. The proposal was roundly rejected: the discussants decided they hate the United States too much to feign patriotism.

It should come as no surprise, then, that the ISM has never been shy about making common cause with terrorists. A parallel example may help shed light on the ISM's sinister motives. In July, Ali Al-Timimi, a Virginia-based imam, was sentenced to life in prison by a U.S. federal court for inspiring and urging his Islamic students to train as jihadist warriors. His disciples trained in the United States with paintball weapons. The purpose of that training was to go to Afghanistan and fight American soldiers. Even as he was conspiring to kill Americans, however, Al-Timimi maintained that he was against violence and terrorism. The ISM favors a kindred strategy, deploying its dissembling rhetoric in precisely the same way as Al-Timimi. Listen to Paul LaRudee, the Northern California head of the ISM. LaRudee's recent interview with an al-Jazeera interviewer on public radio was a classic form of ISM doublespeak—affirming a commitment to non-violence while cutting a loophole for terrorism.

Explained LaRudee:

We believe in the application of international law. Although we are totally dedicated to nonviolence, we recognize not everyone in the Palestinian community is dedicated to nonviolence and under international law we recognize that violence is necessary and it is permissible for oppressed and occupied people to use armed resistance and we recognize their right to do so.

International law, of course, proscribes blowing up women and children on buses or in subway trains in Jerusalem and London. The fact that LaRudee is a piano tuner by trade and not an international attorney does not allow him to plead ignorance. It was LaRudee, after all, who once boasted of sleeping in the bed of a suicide bomber. Then, too, it is LaRudee who recruits ISM "volunteers" to go to the Middle East and provide cover for terrorists. (This writer has attended ISM training sessions where ISM volunteers are trained to provide cover for stone throwers of the PLO.)

Originally posted by mmiichael
New Years Eve. Not in a mood for this stuff - maybe Next Year (tomorrow)

This woman Epstein is a scripted sock puppet for a vicious organization called ISM.

More below - but some comments on what is a Holocaust Survivor first:

So your upset with Lady because ;

She wasn't raped in the camps

She wasn't starved to death

She wasn't there to SEE her family die?

This makes her LESS of a survivor?

You need to re-evaluate your morals my friend.

This LADY has more courage than your fingers could every type up.

Originally posted by Sean48

Originally posted by mmiichael
New Years Eve. Not in a mood for this stuff - maybe Next Year (tomorrow)

This woman Epstein is a scripted sock puppet for a vicious organization called ISM.

More below - but some comments on what is a Holocaust Survivor first:

So your upset with Lady because ;

She wasn't raped in the camps

She wasn't starved to death

She wasn't there to SEE her family die?

This makes her LESS of a survivor?

You need to re-evaluate your morals my friend.

This LADY has more courage than your fingers could every type up.

We're not supposed express opinion about other members being whack job - even if we think so.

Happy New Year happy guy.

reply to post by mmiichael


Sounds like a tremendous amount of paranoid and delusional dribble to me! How wonderful for all of us that even though you are not in the mood due to these demanding multiple celebrations of New Years (the Hebrew New Year was a couple months ago) that you still taxed yourself to come up with these copy and paste gems that simply conclude any hopes for peace are useless.

Why because it’s clear the entity that claims it really wants peace (Israel and the Zionists) truly believe no scenario exists where peace is obtainable.

Why do they believe that? Because they don’t want peace, they want to dominate and profit through war and violence.

I have to hand it to some that the heartfelt and compassionate acts of a little old lady are so threatening to the warmongering and fear mongering Zionist horde that you have to play the “terrorist” card with the “communist” card and the “anti-Semite” card all at the same time.

Personally I don’t have this strange fear of little old ladies as they tend to bake excellent cookies!

I suppose the Saudis have paid to have something added to the milk though!


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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I have to hand it to some that the heartfelt and compassionate acts of a little old lady are so threatening to the warmongering and fear mongering Zionist horde that you have to play the “terrorist” card with the “communist” card and the “anti-Semite” card all at the same time.

You don't get it Proty.

It's outrageous this aged dingbat peace activist is being coached by her Saudi funded pro-terrorist handlers to bow and curtsy for the camera.

You're the target audience and you dance to the tune being played.

You and Hedy Epstein have much in common.

A lot of people are not only manipulated, they kiss the hand that throws them the crumbs.




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Originally posted by mmiichael


It's outrageous this aged dingbat peace activist is being coached by her Saudi funded pro-terrorist handlers to bow and curtsy for the camera.

You're the target audience and you dance to the tune being played.

You and Hedy Epstein have much in common.

A lot of people are not only manipulated, they kiss the hand that throws them the crumbs.

No Need to discuss who is kissing what MM ............?

Hedy is a old Jewish Woman , standing up against wrong doings from

Israel.

DOES IT EVEN MATTER ABOUT HER HOLOCAUST PAST

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My friend for all you vast intelligence and imagined and presumed good intentions do you even know the definition of the word terrorism.

It means to use fear as a political tool. Whether you can comprehend it or not the reality is that you are attempting to use fear as a political tool.

Fear of whom a little old lady’s friends and benefactors might be and their imagined motives some day down the line.

According to John Foggerty and Credence Clearwater Revival “Someday never comes”.

You see Michael fears are almost always imagined. They are always imagined because they are almost always based on a lack of information that creates the unknown. Fear of the unknown.

Fear of the unknown that is so profound people do everything from invent deities to elaborate theories to explain to themselves the unknown.

The War on Terror simply uses the fear of the unknown and sells the illusion that it is possible to counter the unknown by being prepared for every contingency by planning in advance for every contingency. To a certain extent creating self fulfilling prophecies by how those plans are carried out and made.

I don’t live in fear Michael I can’t. I would be a basket case if I feared things the way most people are taught to fear things. I could not be effective in life; I would be a slave to fear.

In fact most people are slaves to fear and whether you are philosophically astute enough to realize it what the Zionist proponents of the War on Terror are actually peddling is slavery to fear.

Slavery to fear and the belief that our governments should be able to protect us from every contingency and that they will if we but empower them by giving them the widest possible latitude that often requires giving up liberties and dignity to do so.

Terrorism is just another word for fear. Fear is just another word for Master. People who live in fear have not mastered themselves but are enslaved to the imagined, to the unknown, and yes Michael they tend to be very desperate when it comes to making their fears come true to validate their own decision for living in such fear.

They tend to want others to fear those things too because misery loves company but most of all our governments want us to fear so they can control us through our fears.
It’s called emotional domination Michael.

The War on Terror is simply an organized effort to instill a paralyzing and thought robbing level of fear in the populace while offering that notion that the governments can protect us from the things that government actions and policies ultimately endanger us with.

Evil is as evil does Michael.

I reject fear, for the best laid plans of mice and men often add up to naught.

I don’t fear the unknown I look to make a better life and world through it. I don’t fear those who are different I look to them for ideas and perspectives of how I might do that. I don’t seek peace through war.

I seek peace through love.

That little old lady is likely someone’s grandmother, maybe even great grandmother.

I know it’s hard to ask people to respect others when they have no respect for themselves. Those who live in a perpetual state of fear typically have no respect for themselves, so they can’t respect anyone else.

Terrorism is a word for fear Michael, fear used as a political tool.

Zionists peddle fear for political purposes, and this my friend, makes them T-E-R-R-O-R-I-S-T-S.

People will never win the battle with out, until they first win the battle within.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Zionists peddle fear for political purposes, and this my friend, makes them T-E-R-R-O-R-I-S-T-S.

Terrorists peddle fear for political purposes. Over the last few decades the overwhelming number among thousands of terrorist acts have been enacted by Muslim extremists. A preponderance of them have been directed at residents of Israel, and Jews worldwide.

We know these to be acts of terrorism not only because of witnesses and material evidence, but from the pronouncements of many terrorist organizations themsleves.

When random acts of senseless violence and mass murder committed people have legitimate concerns for safety and well-being for themselves and their families. This is particularly poignant for people in Israel where missiles, shellings, suicide bombings, explosions in public places are common occurrences.

People who make every effort to claim this is not a reality of life or try to rationalize it are simply terrorism enablers. Their tactics are onerous. They often try to compose hearsay and false information to convince susceptible people that these acts of death and destruction are not being done by the self-declared terrorists, but are actually the work of Israeli or American intelligence. Today, after 8 years there are people foolish enough to believe the US was not really attacked by Muslim extremists on September 11. 2001.
And that it was a nefarious plot by the US and/or Israel.
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This insidious support of terrorism, the effort to deflect from he root source and blame others, is in my opinion, even more loathsome than the acts of terrorism themselves. The terrorists at least believe they are doing something worthwhile for a noble cause. Their supporters and apologist are malignly disturbed people who want to see misery and unneeded death - act outraged and indignant, and transfer responsibility to those they hate or resent.





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When random acts of senseless violence and mass murder committed people have legitimate concerns for safety and well-being for themselves and their families. This is particularly poignant for people in Israel where missiles, shellings, suicide bombsings, explosions in public places are common occurrences.

This would be the same Israel that willfully failed to dwell within the allotted borders established for it by treaty and opted to instead violently and militarily to displace and oppress millions of people for additional land that belonged to those people?

Wow and there was a backlash to that? Amazing who would have thought that? You mean you just can’t steal people’s land through violence, erect homes on it, herd them into concentration camps, cut off their economic livelihoods and then slowly starve them to death for control and profit without upsetting them?

Will wonders never cease?

As I displayed a couple pages back the Central Intelligence Agency foresaw all this happening as a result of the Zionists criminal actions.

Circular logic is a wonderful thing for people immersed in it. It actually gives them some real notion of credibility in their beliefs that keep them from elevating themselves up a level to look at their actions for what they truly are.

Regardless of the human propensity to live and entrench themselves in various states of delusional morass the reality is that statistically I as an American and you as a Canadian have a greater chance of being struck by lightening than a violent life threatening terrorist attack.

The people who are fighting against Zionist Israel aren’t terrorists, they are displaced peoples or supporters of displaced peoples looking to regain land, lives and dignity stolen by Zionist terrorism in the middle part of the last century.

Don’t believe me? Find me a map from 1848 that shows a state of Israel, or a map from 1748 that shows a state of Israel, or a map from 1648 that shows a State of Israel, in fact you would have to go back nearly 2,000 years to find such a map.

Now unless there was a secret super race of 2,000 year old Hebrews who invaded Palestine in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s I have to have to say, that land did not belong to them, and yes the Zionists stealing it through violence caused the people who want to live on stolen land some problems.

Sadly for the people who once lived there and sadly for the rest of the world, the cowardly Zionists would like that to be everyone else’s problem too!

Thus the politics of fear thus the War on Terror, Terrorism that was first used by Zionist factions in the Middle East, the perfectos and masters of that craft.
As I have said before I reject the politics of fear. To me a thief is simply a thief, I could care less why they steal, simply that they do.

Common sense is common sense, the Zionists stole the land they founded a state on, there is a price to be paid for that, and whether they like it or not that price will be paid.

You can’t fool Mother Nature, nor Karma just stupid people!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Don’t believe me? Find me a map from 1848 that shows a state of Israel, or a map from 1748 that shows a state of Israel, or a map from 1648 that shows a State of Israel, in fact you would have to go back nearly 2,000 years to find such a map.

Now unless there was a secret super race of 2,000 year old Hebrews who invaded Palestine in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s I have to have to say, that land did not belong to them, and yes the Zionists stealing it through violence caused the people who want to live on stolen land some problems.

Sadly for the people who once lived there and sadly for the rest of the world, the cowardly Zionists would like that to be everyone else’s problem too!

Thus the politics of fear thus the War on Terror, Terrorism that was first used by Zionist factions in the Middle East, the perfectos and masters of that craft.
As I have said before I reject the politics of fear. To me a thief is simply a thief, I could care less why they steal, simply that they do.

Common sense is common sense, the Zionists stole the land they founded a state on, there is a price to be paid for that, and whether they like it or not that price will be paid.

Proty your history is so full of lies and distortions it's not even worth going over point by point.

Jews lived in the Jerusalem region for centuries. Arabs only emigrated there is vast numbers as the land was turned into a functional agricultural economy.

Under al-Husseini genocidal massacres were enacted against the majority Jewish population of Jerusalem as soon as he was appointed in the 1920s. Notably al-Husseini, the father of 20th Century Middle East terrorism allied himself with the Nazis, acted as anti-Jewish spokesman in Berlin, personally oversaw the massacre of Jews in Bosnia, and made every effort to have Nazi-style death camps in the region.

You know nothing about history or even care - other than to find factoids o
t somehow blame Jews for all that ails the Muslim world - who you make every effort to apologize for and relieve of responsibility for their many failures.











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Proty your history is so full of lies and distortions it's not even worth going over point by point.

Well hey blanket and wishful assertions like that ought to convince everyone in the choir! It probably won’t do much though to enlighten other people to accept the same notions that have caused so much violence and bloodshed and upheaval in the region.

The proof is in the pudding as the net result is the net result. Israel is a land full of violence, human rights violations, tension, distrust, and is as heavily armed as the old Wild West was here in America when a similar type of lawlessness was in vogue when it came to displacing our own indigenous population.

The fact that a little old lady would go on a hunger strike to protest that level of inhumanity?

Well that kind of speaks for itself too!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by mmiichael

 

Proty your history is so full of lies and distortions it's not even worth going over point by point.

Well hey blanket and wishful assertions like that ought to convince everyone in the choir! It probably won’t do much though to enlighten other people to accept the same notions that have caused so much violence and bloodshed and upheaval in the region.

The proof is in the pudding as the net result is the net result.

The fact that a little old lady would go on a hunger strike to protest that level of inhumanity?

Well that kind of speaks for itself too!

You're right Proty,

Thank you for pointing out that "Israel is a land full of violence, human rights violations, tension, distrust"

You've already informed us Iran is Heaven Earth.

So what do you think of the other countries Britain carved out of the Ottoman Empire - Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait, Jordan (aka Palestine), Abu Dhabi, Oman, Qatar, et al.


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reply to post by mmiichael

As you know Michael I am very fond of Miami, I like Los Angeles too and I like Rome. I find Las Vegas and Atlantic City to be conducive to my type of recreational lifestyle as well for short visits.

I like the nude beach at Haulover in North Miami Beach, though I rarely get the time to enjoy much in recent years.

I am fairly certain (I check periodically and have good intelligence assets) that no one Hebrew, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Communist, black, white, yellow, or red has any specific plot to murder me specifically.

I feel this in large part is due to how I lead my life.

That being said I am prepared to let other people lead their lives as they see fit as long as it does not create problems that could jeopardize my recreational opportunities.

My recreational opportunities though are currently in jeopardy because of excessive war and fear mongering and economic manipulations aimed at making excessive war and fear mongering more attractive to the unwashed masses.

I hold no allegiance to any G-d or Government or Nation, or Race, or Creed, or Sexual Orientation.

I am my own Master.

The shadows grow longer and darker, light is fading to darkness and there is a great storm on the horizon. A storm of man’s own making, a storm of greed and stupidity and arrogance and indifference that has turned large swaths of the world into places I would prefer not to go.

What to do, what to do, clearly hunger strikes have no effect, even little old ladies are no longer held in any esteem in this world.

Blood and destruction shall be so in use
And dreadful objects so familiar
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.


William Shakespeare-Julius Caesar


Caesar seems most intent upon his revenge Michael. The time draws nigh. Fear not friend! We shall persevere, it sure would be great if so many people weren’t so fixated on the little picture and bogged down in useless details so that they can not see that forest through the trees.

It’s a remarkable gift some men have; I imagine a rather comforting one too. Running with the big dogs is not for everyone. I wish I too could loose myself in the inconsequential and petty sub and side plots Michael.

Alas I can not afford such foolish indulgences.

The Rainbow Bridge beckons Ragnarok is upon us Michael.




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