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My Pros and Cons of the NWO

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posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 05:59 PM
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I have been thinking a quite bit on the NWO, and I found that we have, like most things, pros and cons about it. So I would like to share the pros and cons that i learned. I'll start with the Pros.

Pros:

No War
Unity
Focus on other world problems
The progression of Science
A perfect chance to meet extraterrestrials and be a part of the galactic neighborhood we know as the Milkyway
Easier use of Currency
One Language
Beliefs of people can coexist without hesitation

Cons:

No privacy
No Freedom
Riots from Anti-NWO
Police Brutality
Can not make the Decisions we need as people
Be used as sheep
No Individuality
A World of Ignorance

I would like to know from my fellow ATSers, what are your pros/cons.


[edit on 12/27/2009 by Shoomoo]

[edit on 12/28/2009 by Shoomoo]




posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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There are more cons than pros actually. Because the nwo will be everyones worse nightmare



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 06:24 PM
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the idea of an NWO is great ..

If done correctly .. you will not loose any freedom or privacy ..

People like Alex Jones and other nutcases give the NWO a bad name .. they are making people paranoid about an idea .. that like i said IF done properly, it could be a Nation-less, Flag-less , border-less, Patriotic-less Socialist-Like Utopia ...

Thanks to Nuts like Alex Jones NWO is a synonym for Big Brother, Police State, Etc.. AND THAT COULD NOT BE FARTHER from the truth ..

Embrace the idea .. Not the sensationalist Disinformation

[edit on 27-12-2009 by Polynomial C]



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 06:52 PM
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It is difficult for me to imagine any positive outcomes from a one world government. It is difficult for me to imagine the positive outcomes of any government as necessary as they may be. Governments are artifices created by people to presumably establish justice and provide for a common defense while maintaining a domestic tranquility and doing what can be done to encourage a public welfare, but most importantly, governments should exist to assist the individual in the protection of their own freedoms.

Governments inevitably abandon these principles and act in the nature as all institutions do that require power in order to function. They lust for power and place all actions in pursuit of that power. In order to obtain more power than is naturally afforded such institutions they must rob this power from those who have, namely We the People.

All people across the planet hold the inherent political power regardless of what doctrine exists that might say otherwise. In any form of tyranny, that oppression exists because the people allow it to exist. Without their willing or tacit agreement, those tyrannies can not survive.

Let us examine the pros you have listed for further review;

1.) No war.

One of the functions of government is to provide for a common defense. If there is no war then this function ceases to exist and a primary source of power is nullified. No government will allow this to happen and will always seek out a foe which they can present to the people as a common enemy. Peace is merely a tool of propaganda used to sell war and when any semblance of peace is finally accomplished, we all know it won't last.

2.) Unity

Unity does not require any government to make it so. If We the People are ever to recognize our undeniable connectedness to each other it won't be through the force or propaganda of government but through an awakening and existing on higher level of awareness of the people. Governments discover all too soon that it is through divisiveness that they can gain and hold power. A one world government will continue down the same path as all governments and seek to divide the people creating criminals out of ideologists in order to provide a common enemy. There will always be those who cherish freedom over the false sense of security that governments provide and will never be united in a one world government.

3.) Focus on other world problems.

All problems are local. The problem of broken bones does not lie in a totality of biology and only lies in the locality of bones. The problem of poverty, while epidemic and rampant across the world is distinctly local as it lies with those who are poor and just as aspirin can not cure a headache, (do we have headaches because of an aspirin deficiency?), and can only alleviate the symptom, so to will government programs only act to attack the symptoms and not the problem.

Pollution? Again, all pollution begins at a local level and it is only when those who are guilty of polluting endeavor to either stop polluting or clean up after themselves that the problem of pollution will get closer to being fixed. The current U.N. sanctioned "climate science" seeks to define Co2 as a pollutant, when most people know that Co2 is a vital and necessary gas to our survival. This strange and mysterious push to label C02 as a pollutant only underscores the problem with one world governments. They pretend to fix problems all the while creating more.

4.) The progression of science

Science has never been hindered by borders or a proliferation of nations. Science for a time saw a great Renaissance and flourished by lately seems to have abandoned all respect for the scientific method in favor of dogma. That dogma is part of a one world government agenda not a part of science.

5.) A perfect chance to meet extraterrestrials...

Perhaps this may be, but it is more likely a one world government would relish the opportunity to present any extraterrestrial contact as a common enemy and for all we know they very well may be a common enemy. It is folly to assume that extraterrestrials are by nature benevolent creatures that are part of some federation where Captain Kirk's and Picard's valiantly defend the sovereignty of people on any planet.

6.) Easier use of currency

Any currency not backed by wealth is nothing more than fiat money. Fiat by definition is an arbitrary order or decree. Arbitrary currency is a recipe for disaster. It is doubtful that a one world government will make anything at all easier on the populace, but in today's common practice electronic transferal of assumed wealth is fairly easily done regardless of what currency is being relied upon.

7.) One language.

While one language would seemingly correct many of the problems of communication, even one language can be riddled with ambiguity and confusion not to mention the proclivity towards mendacity. As long as we are a people willing to lie to each other it matters not what language we lie in the communication will break down.

8.) One belief.

Belief by definition is any cognitive content held as true. In order for their to be just one belief that belief would have to be held as true by all. Good luck with that.

The notion that one belief is preferable to a variety of beliefs tends to undermine the power of individuality and how our own personal perceptions and experience can enrich the fabric of human understanding. One belief is tantamount to group think or collectivism and while we are all undeniably interconnected we are so as individuals.

I have heard many declare religion, borders and all sorts of individualistic proclivities as being a detriment to humanity but I would argue that this rich variety of beliefs have marked the upward surge of humanity not its demise. There is no greater minority than that of the individual and it is the individual who stands to loose the most in this imprudent push towards a one world government.

Individuals are the ones who developed the airplane, jets and rockets to propel us into space. Individuals developed medicine to heal and cure us and individuals have endeavored to supply needs not governments. Instead of praise for collectives I offer you praise of the individual in all his or her flawed and majestic beauty. Long live individuality and freedom!



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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Pros
Global Peace
One world currency
A fresh start to rebuild

Cons
No Freedom
No privacy
Dictatorship
Religious oppression
Christian Killings(well, according to their bible there will be)
Mind control?


Sure a NWO would be nice to have for the first few years. But its only human nature for there to be greed. One wonders how long it would be before some power hungry person takes over the NWO and then dooms the rest of us to slavery and death.

*Edit for grammer*


[edit on 27-12-2009 by Ghost in the Machine]



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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I think the official motto for an NWO ruled society would be "Think not of what they do to us, only for us".

With that in mind, I find it very hard to find a positive in an NWO.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by Shoomoo

Pros:

No War
Unity
Focus on other world problems
The progression of Science
A perfect chance to meet extraterrestrials and be a part of the galactic neighborhood we know as the Milkyway
Easier use of Currency
One Language
One Belief


War is here to stay, there is a war on for your mind 24/7. Unfortunately. It creates too much money and power for TPTB, what happens when they have everything? The world is not enough to them.

Progression of Science. Excellent I concur

Indeed, if they do reveal themselves then yes it would be great to interact with inter/extra-terrestrials so long as they are the good guys and diplomatic.

Easier use of currency, indeed. I agree with a one world currency, but each country should have the tails side or heads side with a sovereign symbol for that country out of historic respect to that country. Maybe the head of whoever runs the country on the coins/notes.
Banking online is the worst way of transferring funds I have ever seen, so they should rethink e-cash. The Internet was never designed for money transactions, it is impossible to have it 100% secure, RFIDs are also a security risk and I disagree with RFIDs.

One language is an insult to my country. English is my primary language, but I am from Ireland and the British tried to close all the Gaeltacht schools (Irish/Gaeilge spoken schools). Each and every language is sacred, historic and invaluable. I think its not the language that should change, but peoples ability to speak all languages out of respect.

One belief is a dictatorship, the most horrid place to be. What you like is different to what I like. What you perceive your paradise to be could be hell to me.


Originally posted by Shoomoo
Cons:

No privacy
No Freedom
Riots from Anti-NWO
Police Brutality
Can not make the Decisions we need as people
Be used as sheep
No Individuality
A World of Ignorance


No privacy? I live in a housing estate and I can hear the next door neighbors all the time, so they could hear me. My house is positioned in such a way that my neighbors can see into very room in my house. No privacy is already here. If you mean extreme surveillance then yes I agree.

We have no freedom as it stands, freedom, true freedom worldwide has never happened before. Earth is still a mess.

Where I live in Ireland there are riots for months during the entire Summer, its already here.

Police brutality already exists. I was ten years of age and a British police officer grab me by the ear and lifted me into the air and slammed me against the police landrover (APC). I was a kid! The dogs would always bark at them, I said to the police man; "See, even the dogs don't like you".


We as a people throughout history have rebelled against tyrants. I am pretty sure it will happen again, and we always win. Evil always tries to reign, though it never does - Internationally speaking.

I am an individual and I am as random as you get them
Unique characteristics. We all have them, we all have our own quirks and idiosyncrasies. It already exists and will always exist because we are all mad bas**rds. Ever see a rat when its cornered? If TPTB see us as rats, vermin, a disease; then they must fear us because we have the upper hand - Surprise attacks and complete random operations is something TPTB can never control. One random act, that is all it takes.

Most people are ignorant already.

Good thread, nice topic



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 12:25 AM
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I see you find One Belief horrid. Let me explain, because I know what your saying.

I am talking mainly about whether to accept other religions, as one another, not like Christ, Muslim, or Athiest Only lol.

I'll rephrase it for ya



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 12:43 AM
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I think in your analysis the cons vastly outweigh the pros. This does not need to be however, I believe that we can, in time, come together as one human people. The goal of the anti-NWO should not be preservation of the status-quo but a better alternative. Even Alex Jones admits that a peaceful unification of humanity is a good thing.

What we have to instead look at is how to go about that. There are very many things that terrify the anti-NWO crowd that I believe are great in this path. The European Union has stopped the military conflicts between the Western European powers that have dominated the continent since the dawn of civilization. Inter-religious dialogue is also a positive force. If we can find common ground, we can find common social causes to work for. Globalization as a whole is not an evil by nature, but it can be a method by which we end conflicts through mutual interdependence.

If we can create a system that brings about the pros without the cons, I'd be all for it! That is where we should be putting our energies. If an evil NWO does exist, we must counter them by being a better alternative. In a free marketplace of ideas people will choose that which is most advantageous. That world is one I wish to live in.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 10:12 AM
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pros?

see the FEMA camps and then you will talk

[edit on 28-12-2009 by freakliberator]



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Shoomoo
reply to post by the_denv
 


I see you find One Belief horrid. Let me explain, because I know what your saying.

I am talking mainly about whether to accept other religions, as one another, not like Christ, Muslim, or Athiest Only lol.

I'll rephrase it for ya



Beliefs of people can coexist without hesitation


Ah, coexisting of various beliefs, Sounds good to me


Although, who knows; maybe in a thousand years or less aliens may come in contact with us and they may have immaculate records of Earths Religions throughout history to prove that its all based on astrotheology, the stars.

If the average man had the capability in a thousand years time to operate his own space ship like we see in fictional movies like Star Wars and computer games like Eve-Online - then I think space exploration would unite planet Earth. We would have good jobs, anyone could be an astronaut and mine minerals on asteroids an make a good income, even have a job of mapping our Solar System by being in space, flying to certain locations and sending out gravimetric probes/UAVs.

I can't wait for this technology to arrive
Although I will probably never see it in this life time.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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I actually do not know what to think of the NWO.

Globalization is a necessity to improve the human condition, but this globalization plan can be used negatively or positively.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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Are you kidding me?

Who are you people?

Let's review the Basics of the New World Order:

#1.) So you guys want the World to be like the United States huh? Imagine each country basically becoming a state and the United Nations becomes the world government.

Yea... that's a great idea, obviously things are going great for us and the system we have here at home.

You think each country would still have sovereignty? Well the states certainly no longer have any rights here in America.


Let me show you what treason looks like: It's when your own President is praising the United Nations and the power it could have instead of praising his own country.

This man has no interest in serving his Nation... His only interest is building the government of the United Nations. Please listen to this again, it's only 33 seconds.





#2.) It's becoming clear that many of us don't even know what path TPTB will take us down in order to establish the real NWO... but in my opinion it seems like they will put us through hell in order to have us begging for their help.

Again... read the Kissinger quote again:


“"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.


So does this sound good to you? TPTB creating a problem so bad that we will be grateful to see UN troops in our own country. This is what you want to see?

Let's make no mistake about what we are seeing in this world... The people that want a NWO are the same people creating all the chaos in the world today. So let me get this straight, you are falling for the Problem Reaction Solution technique even though it's probably been explained to you how it works a dozen times...


#3.) Did it ever occur to you people that you we are dealing evil in it's purest form? This isn't about money, this isn't about politics, this isn't about global warming or any other global crisis you can think of.... This is all about your Spirit or Soul.

I mean the man in the video I posted above probably has more interest in serving Skull & Bones than he does serving the American People... and Lord forgive them for all the Occult rituals that they perform in that tomb they got in Connecticut... Not to mention the Bohemian Grove.

These are the people you want in charge? Luciferians & Occultists?



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Im all for a one world government as long as we still have some freedoms. Hell why not. No war, ill take that in a heartbeat.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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You are once again forgetting that there are people, myself included, whom do not agree with your view on what the New World Order is or if it even exists. There are also people, again myself included, whom are not Libertarians and believe that government can be a tool for the people or in some other positive light.

National sovereignty, which is a term that Libertarians seem to love, does not matter so much if we could peacefully unite the world. At that point we become a sovereign species, united. I have no problem with that. You are talking about scaling down, with more local control, we're talking about scaling up, to a global scale potentially, but keeping individual rights.

I personally believe that local-control is counterproductive to humanity's progress. Radical movements like Posse Comintatus have even shown themselves to be dangerous, and even violent, enemies of the state. The same can be said of some branches of the Anarchist movement. These kind of local, "back to basics" control is divisive, and serves only to bring us back to a second dark age.

Edit: If I may expound a bit more, yes I do like the government system of the United States. I'm a Canadian, I went to uni in the US and now I work in the United Kingdom. I love the system you Americans have built!

You have elections that you can set your watch to.

You have a generally well-defined constitution that is a living document.

You have bridged the biggest gaps in age, religion, ethnicity, and political views to create a more perfect union of 300,000,000 people.

You have the Bill Of Rights.

You have saved the world multiple times over.

For every person on here harping about how the United States is falling apart there are 20 out living their lives, without interruption. If people such as yourself got out, and saw the massive chaos and fear that billions of people on this planet live in, you'd be just as amazed by the simple normalcy that Americans have every day.

[edit on 28-12-2009 by ProjectJimmy]



posted on Dec, 29 2009 @ 09:50 AM
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You are seeing the negative view on the NWO. You must see positives or it will be a miserable world.

Besides, I personally think they are not out to kill what keeps the world alive ^_^



posted on Dec, 29 2009 @ 04:19 PM
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There will always be more cons which will outweigh the pros of having a NWO. If there was HONEST regulation of a New World Order then it would work, but we all know those with power abuse it. Plain and simple.

Just say NO to the NWO!

-sonicboom



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C
the idea of an NWO is great ..

If done correctly .. you will not loose any freedom or privacy ..

People like Alex Jones and other nutcases give the NWO a bad name .. they are making people paranoid about an idea .. that like i said IF done properly, it could be a Nation-less, Flag-less , border-less, Patriotic-less Socialist-Like Utopia ...

Thanks to Nuts like Alex Jones NWO is a synonym for Big Brother, Police State, Etc.. AND THAT COULD NOT BE FARTHER from the truth ..

Embrace the idea .. Not the sensationalist Disinformation

[edit on 27-12-2009 by Polynomial C]


So, embrace a world where the government corporation and central bankers have monopoly control over everything. Way to be a fascist that wants to perpetuate bad ideologies and ignores history.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by sonicboom
There will always be more cons which will outweigh the pros of having a NWO. If there was HONEST regulation of a New World Order then it would work, but we all know those with power abuse it. Plain and simple.

Just say NO to the NWO!

-sonicboom


Right, we need separation of powers and not the centralization of it otherwise no liberty. The illuminati's own enlightenment thinkers knew that. They've abandoned all reason for this nwo.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:42 AM
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they abandoned humanity



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