Could Aliens be influencing Hollywood?

reply to post by Whine Flu


I would say that you overrate human's imaginations. Take us, for example. How many of us can actually sit there and think of an idea, that no one has ever thought of? Nope, our tendency is to work, then go home and watch TV. Now they didn't have TV back then, but then, they had to work a lot more.

reply to post by downisreallyup

Sorry, got off-topic there.

[edit on 28-12-2009 by Copperflower]

Originally posted by downisreallyup

Could Aliens be influencing Hollywood?

My question is this: why would TWO movies, each tacking this very different track, be produced and released now? I mean, Avatar was the most expensive movie ever made, and this masterpiece does wonders at showing just what a bunch of scumbags we really are. Is this just an elaborate piece of self-examination and self-loathing, or is there something bigger going on?

My friend. You have to understand who really runs Hollywood and the planet. At the highest level, you are right, it is aliens. Below them are humans who ritualistically devote their life to them who do much of their bidding in exchange for power.

Humanity is not a bunch of scumbags. They are actually a beautiful specie who has been manipulated and dumbed down to the max. "They" just want individuals to perceive their common man as this sub-human form of life. You know how we get cattle perfectly right before we feed on them? They have been getting you just right for their feeding. For tens of thousands of years. And just like the herd of cows, humanity never becomes aware of it being eaten.

Of course, this is the end of their run. They know it and they can't stand it being brought into the light. They know that we are discovering our true powers. The moment for everyone to wake up is now...

Could it be that if "aliens" are influencing Hollywood & responsible for the ideas of the movies suggested by th OP, that this is exactly what they want us to feel.......sorry for them? How better to conquer a race ( or planet ) than to have the minions feeling sorry for you or consider you weak. heir guard would be down, they would be neutralised, & you could go in & take what you wanted!

Be careful, 1st contact may just not be what you were expecting. Anyone remember the movie "Independence Day" with Bill Pullman? I do, & that's more like what I'm expecting. Hostility from them.

No doubt they are. Although I am still not convinced they are from the same dimension as this one. (I remain open to that though.)

Quoting War in Heaven, a chanelled book by Kyle Griffith (1988):

"The Invisible College also contains some interesting speculation about the purpose of the mental reprogramming received by UFO contactees. For example, the majority crone away from their experience believing that a higher power had chosen them to play a special role in advancing human civilization. They seemed filled with hope, optimism, and creative energy, expressing the belief that contactees are going to help the "Space Brothers" lead the human race into a New Age in which Earth will take its place among the advanced civilizations of the universe.
The specific elements of ideology advocated by the contactees were completely familiar to me: world peace, universal brotherhood, and social justice. They also talked about the general concept that the Sixties counterculture called "consciousness expansion," especially forms of it achieved without using psychedelic drugs, but they usually expressed it in terms that wouldn't directly identify them with the controversy over drugs and hippies. It was immediately obvious to me that this was just another form of the "Aquarian Age Message," phrased in terms of space-traveling aliens and galactic civilizations instead of the terminology of the counterculture."
WiH, Chapter 6, Passport to Paranoia
Online version:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Inhaling the spray in District 9 is a physicalised form of the lapis philosophorum - an agent of transformation clothed here in terms of a bioengineering material. In Dune the same thing was a psychedelic (the spice). D9's can of essence of another species (highly efficient but with a hidden intellectual capacity we presuppose when we see the ship) is symbolic in my opinion of an irreversible transformation.
So I think it is not so simple as a metaphor for social change as a Marxist would see it - but that is very much included. It's a no go without that.

ok - just assuming for one second - that we accept the premise that ` aliens are influencing holly wood `

then it begs the question , why arnt the " evil " TPTB / illuminati / military industrial complex simply surpressing it - as [ is commonly claimed ] they do " all the time "

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I agree with the guy who posted this, and the pro alien anti human theme really chaifed my A$$. I didnt bother seeing district nine, i felt like i had better things to do like watch porn. But avatar basked me in three drudging hours of this pro alien crap. What ever happened to the good ol days of human seeing a common and always justifiable threat in aliens and comming to gether, putting aside thier diffrences and kicking some alien A$$!!!! in avatar my favorite charater was the marine colonel, talk about someone with conviction, and if god forbid we come against a real alien threat you would pray there was an army of these guys to defend your starbucks and children. And talk about putting Sigourney Weaver to shame! Remember what her racial views were on aliens no to long ago in that film, i cant remember what it was called, oh yeah ALIENS!!! come on girl, before they cut off her nutz she would have been on the first vehicle leading the attack!!

we definitly need to get our priorities straight as a speicies. speicies live in a cast system regardless of what district 9 will have you believe. that means you are either the lead species, thier dogs, or further down the chain the roaches eatting the scraps!! where do you want to be?

And about space marines, lets face it it takes a special type of guy to be a space marine, im well aware that they have a few personality quarks and can be a little hard edged, but you cannot, i repeat CANNOT ever make a cool movie and be AGAINST our space marines. regardless of what they do they are OURS and THEY dont care about US!!

You can tell that i have a small chip on my shoulder about this whole movie theme but id still love to hear what you have to say!

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
ok - just assuming for one second - that we accept the premise that ` aliens are influencing holly wood `

then it begs the question , why arnt the " evil " TPTB / illuminati / military industrial complex simply surpressing it - as [ is commonly claimed ] they do " all the time "

YEAH!!! Or is this just what we'd expect them to do???!! hmmm.........

Its fun to beleive in Aliens but no.







ROCK HARD

reply to post by np6888


If you say so. If anything, I'd say you're underrating it lots.

I can think up different ideas than you. You can think of stuff that I will never be capable of thinking up.

Now, in this situation, how many of us here would think to make an alien of supernatural themed film? Yep, that's right. I'm confident that a whole chunk of us would. It doesn't take an alien to think up a plot involving aliens.

Ok, in short, I do agree that aliens Could be influencing Hollywood - however, it seems pretty unlikely.

Originally posted by downisreallyup

Could Aliens be influencing Hollywood?

If I were in charge of Alien Public Relations, those two movies would be exactly what I would have produced! After watching them both I really came to see humanity as an ugly, barbaric, fear-ladened, money-grubbing, harsh, unenlightened bunch of thugs... and I think that is exactly what I was supposed to feel.

* For what purpose? Not seen Avatar yet, but was woefully disappointed in District 9, shlocky and hammered it's morality home way too hard - subtlety? Nah, more like "Hey stupid - Racism is bad"

* Humanity is pretty much as you've described above, maybe not individually, but mostly like that in the hands of those with the power - politicians, bussinessmen, corporations and bankers.

Originally posted by downisreallyup
I have noticed that these two movies, released back-to-back, take a very different tack from all other alien movies produced, at least as far as I could think of. If I were in charge of Alien Public Relations, and I knew that disclosure would not happen until mankind had learned to be less barbaric, I would want to make movies that portray just how bad the humans really are, as compared to the good intentions of us aliens.

My question is this: why would TWO movies, each tacking this very different track, be produced and released now? I mean, Avatar was the most expensive movie ever made, and this masterpiece does wonders at showing just what a bunch of scumbags we really are. Is this just an elaborate piece of self-examination and self-loathing, or is there something bigger going on?

* The films weren't released back to back, they were fairly far about, maybe about 6 months. Hollywood tends to go in cycles of whatever is currently in vogue, sometimes it's alien films, other times pirates, war films, rom-coms etc.

* Both directors are very accomplished in their fields and James Cameron particularly seems to have a penchant for sci-fi, think of The Abyss and the messages that conveyed.

The likelihood of aliens being involved in the Hollywood process highly unlikely, I don't mean to sound harsh, but you may as well ask how orcs are influencing it. It might help more if you suggested ways in which they are.

District 9 is really just a metaphor for refugees and minorities though. I really don't understand why they wouldn't just come out and show a group of refugees being treated poorly by a host country. If they wanted to get a message across, that would have been more powerful, than just showing fake aliens living in slums. An advanced civilization that traveled light-years, and came to South Africa (of all places); they have powerful weapons that could put us to shame. And instead, they just live in slums with their superior intelligence? That's pretty stupid.

Avatar, I cannot comment on, though I've heard great things about it.

I think so in the form of mental conditioning. Sort of preparing the observers so they dont see things that may seem out of the ordinary and lose their minds. Kind of a smart move.

I am not sure if there were any influences, but just to add my thoughts to the topic, the 2 movies were not so much of who is against who. Those who watched those movies who think it is a battle had only missed out the point.

The point is: when a species deem themselve superiour, terrible things will befall on the weak, not just humiliation, but genocide itself, regardless if the one being superior is either man or aliens.

Thus ALL species, AND THEIR SUPPORTERS, best do a reality check and reflect on themselves and know the limits. Living beings' life are at stake. Win-win solutions ( compromises ) must be found or both species will only end up wasting precious resources and ultimately destroying each other.

Had we learn nothing from even our own blood soaked colonial terresterial history?

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I really don't understand why they wouldn't just come out and show a group of refugees being treated poorly by a host country

you could say that about thousands of films who draw paralles from the real world. Besides whos going to pump money into it and whos going to go see it? Also the director wanted to make a fictional movie that had some meaning. Avatars message is "save the environment" why didnt they just make a film showing the ice caps melting / trees being cut down? You might not be too familiar with sci-fi but all the best stuff is allegorical.

Also to say its just about racism is too simplistic, it also asks us what it means to be human and the movie is a classic "mile in another mans shoes" story.

An advanced civilization that traveled light-years, and came to South Africa (of all places); they have powerful weapons that could put us to shame. And instead, they just live in slums with their superior intelligence? That's pretty stupid.

have you really seen this movie? its explained the aliens that survived are "worker" aliens. Not very smart & aimless without their leaders. Not in the movie but fyi the ship was on auto-pilot those onboard didnt choose south africa.

I enjoyed d9 much more than avatar.

[edit on 28-12-2009 by yeti101]

You have to have a good guy and a bad guy.
So, in an alien movie, you have a choice...who is going to be the good guy?

If the humans are good guys, the aliens are out to destroy/eat, etc. the humans.
If the aliens are good guys, the humans are out to capture/dissect/deplete resources of, etc. the aliens.
If neither are bad guys, then the government of one of the groups is the bad guy, looking to make a profit at the expense of both peoples.

That's really about it... No grand conspiracy there, just a lack of options and picking one of three...

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No one will believe, but I had a lucid dream where I saw Speilberg in his stupid hat and two other guys step out of an abandoned building that allows them to access alternate realities.

They spy on people's lives and make movies about them. Heh. Never thought I would see a movie director spying on other people from other realities.

District 9? Find a world in turmoil, look for a trapped alien species, and sit and watch the story. Need back story and personal history? Get your alien friends to take you back in time. Anyone remember Flight of the Navigator?

Not to mention, we have movie stars on TV telling us with cg that they ARE aliens! As a child I only knew what I saw. Now I see things I naturally would have believed, and I know it isn't fair to people to say oh Speilberg is dimensionally hopping between realities getting his next film ideas.

Good for him, he is still a master writer and director. I lucid dream almost every night, and I never found that puzzle piece before. The aboriginals of OZ always believed in this through the dreaming, and we are adapting to return to that way of life.

How real are your lives right now? More or less real than say 10, 20 or 30 years ago? I mean, I look at my PSP now and I struggle believing that it should even exist. TV, movies, books, etc are windows to other realities.

We create the realities in our minds and there is a connection. Jung was right about the whole collective unconsciousness being a deeper connection between all beings. Bless his soul.

Suffering in a dream is still suffering. Yet, many callous people laugh at the suffering they see on TV and movies all the time. Even I do from time to time, but it really isn't funny to watch a person's brain being eaten out by his dead sister, unless it is Shaun of the Dead or Zombieland. As movies you are supposed to laugh, but if you just see it as an alternate reality, one they lose a little humor and movies like Stephen King's It, or Carpenter's The Thing become truly terrifying.

I have wound up in those situations just by going to sleep every night. I have seen bio chem zombies, ripped a chunk out of my leg. Most of you couldn't even care at the horror I felt upon seeing raw flesh where there was minutes before a normal healthy leg. Guys like Speilberg know something they aren't telling us.

I wonder what he would say if confronted by that question. You know, I heard a guy caught you dimensionally traveling and that you borrow your ideas from other humans dying in alternate realities.

WHAT WOULD HE SAY?! I bet it would be quite telling.

This world is not what you think it is at ALL. I saw him with my own two eyes being all sneaky like. OR The director of fame and great repute is a traveler who is just making a living at it.

Or none of that could ever happen. Really, with as little time that we have left for our lives, I just don't care any more. Heh.

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So many good replies, ill add my two cents in i suppose.

Two movies making humans seem like the problem.. what does that make me think? well.. depopulation would be the answer right?

As i was reading all these replies the georgia guidestones were lingering in the back of my mind the whole time. Why not reprogram us with movies so that the majority of us can be pro depopulation or eugenics, just maybe not outright with those same labels as people would not go for it.

Perhaps environmental biomass protection program, that restricts a generation to one child per couple. People would go for that easier than, mass depopulation program.

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Originally posted by DocEmrick
I really don't understand why they wouldn't just come out and show a group of refugees being treated poorly by a host country.

We would not be here discussing it, surrounded by banner ads for it. It would have won some awards and accolades from the few arty types that went to see it and then it would gain one spot on the "special interest" shelf at the video store, never to be heard from again.

I think aliens might have influenced Star Trek. There is some truth to Star Trek and it's not all science fiction.