U.S Soldiers Are Waking Up!

Oh Man!
This is by far one of the best videos I've seen in quite some time
I really enjoyed it!
I hope you will too.

And it touches on almost every sub-topic that I've always found important

Will more soldiers wake up?

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already posted it huge thread here Star and Flag to keep it on the front page of ATS 168 flags now hoping it goes into the Hot Topics and stays

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[edit on 27-12-2009 by OpTiMuS_PrImE]

thanks guys
I apreciate it!

AMAZING MESSAGE!

Mike Prysner for President

It warms my heart to hear this....brings a tear to my eye...

One day we will live in a world that is governed in peace and understanding.....and hatred and war will be a distant memory...

PEACE and LOVE...

I’m torn by this video in many ways. In one respect, I have to accept that it is right in its motives and the soldiers giving their testimony are also right. This war is as twisted and perverse as any.

Now don’t get me wrong; I consider myself as patriotic as any, but given the circumstances, if forced to go to war for this ‘cause’ I would have to refuse. If my son were of fighting age, I would counsel him not to go. And, in a strange way, I feel this is patriotic because this war is not what America is about. Our ideals are being abandoned and our soul is being bled out.

However, the cynical part of me recognizes the fact that we are an Empire. Empires do as empires must. There is nothing going on here that is unique in history. Great Nations will project their power and innocent people will suffer. It has been so since the times of the oldest empires, from Sumeria to China. What these soldiers are experiencing, while heartbreaking, is a tale as old as man himself.

This video could have been made a thousand years ago and it could be made a thousand years from now. The story is always the same.

reply to post by passenger


Isn't it a pity that the very first parents of the very first imperialist regime didn't stand up with a firm "No" when their sons were recruited. Ah, but times were different then. Now we're more civilized, more advanced, more intelligent. Aren't we? I keep reading all over this forum about our advancements. We can't figure out how to share this planet? What's patriotism about anyway? Give that a think. Ponder how one bit of land on this lovely planet is superior to another bit of land. If you think it's about more than that, why are you dancing off to destroy other bits of land? Stay at home and protect your own patch.

I wasn't aware that your borders had been breached by Afghanistan, by Iraq, by Pakistan and by the next and newest target - Yemen. You just keep telling yourself whatever it is that convinces you that this is okay. You could always just be one that says "No".

Part I don't understand is why did they sign up for the military in the first place.

Nobody put a gun to their head.
Nobody drafted them.

They Volunteered

Did they not know that there was a chance they would go to war?

Did they not understand that they may have to do exactly what military personnel are trained to do?

Two options in war, kill or get killed. And in order to avoid getting killed you have to do what is necessary to secure the environment.

I respect what you all are saying, but the military is trained to do a job and if you aren't willing to do that job, then you shouldn't have joined the military in the first place.

reply to post by jam321


I think the ideals of war are very different to the reality of being there!

S & F for this thread.

The most moving video I have ever seen.

reply to post by jam321


I agree with everything you said, a Marine, Soldier, Sailor or Airman in a combat role must stick to the mission at hand, also under articles of the UCMJ it is ILLEGAL for active duty military personnel to take part in protests against his government or against any theater of war that US forces are currently engaged, to do so may place our Military at increased risk due to political indecisiveness/commitment of all resources to win.

However, if these gentlemen are now out of the Military then I fully support their actions as they are entitled to under the first ammendment as well should you Marine, if you have been under fire then you were fighting for those rights for ALL Americans regardless of the political correctness.

Semper Fi to you my friend

Sailor

[edit on 27-12-2009 by Sailor1]

Originally posted by Sailor1
reply to post by jam321

 

a Marine, Soldier, Sailor or Airman in a combat role must stick to the mission at hand, also under articles of the UCMJ it is ILLEGAL for active duty military personnel to take part in protests against his government or against any theater of war that US forces are currently engaged

What about when the morality of the 'mission at hand' becomes questionable? What if you know full well you're breaking your own ethical values?

When I go to work I don't leave my conscience at the door, and neither should anyone. Active or not if they disagree with what is going on it's perfectly fine for them to have their opinion, in fact it's better than fine, it's great. Gives you some hope that there are some genuine human beings left serving, and hopefully not so many who have been duped for so long they don't know the difference between right and wrong anymore .




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Jam321, I agree totally. They volunteered to be there, they signed that line knowing that they could be sent into combat.

What the hell do these dip# idiots think the military does? They should be thankful that they serve in 2009 and not 1944 or they would be put in front of a firing squad like yellowbelly Eddie Slovak*.

* Eddie Slovak was a US Army soldier who was executed for deserting his unit during the vicious fighting in the Hurtgen Forest around Aachen and the Siegfried Line in the fall of 1944.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by ChrisF231]

Originally posted by Pr0t0

Originally posted by Sailor1
reply to post by jam321

 

a Marine, Soldier, Sailor or Airman in a combat role must stick to the mission at hand, also under articles of the UCMJ it is ILLEGAL for active duty military personnel to take part in protests against his government or against any theater of war that US forces are currently engaged

What about when the morality of the 'mission at hand' becomes questionable? What if you know full well you're breaking your own ethical values?

When I go to work I don't leave my conscience at the door, and neither should anyone. Active or not if they disagree with what is going on it's perfectly fine for them to have their opinion, in fact it's better than fine, it's great. Gives you some hope that there are some genuine human beings left serving, and hopefully not so many who have been duped for so long they don't know the difference between right and wrong anymore .




[edit on 27-12-2009 by Pr0t0]

I will not resort to flames like some of the other posters here, so I will try to explain. If active duty Military did not follow orders (even the unpopular ones) the United States would have been defeated long ago. "It is not ours to question why but to do or die". If the Military were given the same rights as civilians to protest or abstain, the chain of command would disintegrate and soon all units would be combat ineffective. There are reasons the military is structured the way it is, military personnel have to trust in their leadership to make the correct decisions for the greater good. The policy decisions of combat actions in Iraq and Afganistan fall to the elected officials and the American people not the Marines, Soldiers, Airman or Sailors that are tasked with fighting it. I hope you understand. No one despises war more than those sent to wage it, but it would only benefit the enemy to have active duty military refusing orders or speaking out while in uniform.


Sailor

Originally posted by rainfall


One day we will live in a world that is governed in peace and understanding.....and hatred and war will be a distant memory...

PEACE and LOVE...

No we won't, not as long as it is run by humans.
To think thus is nothing but hope and dreams, and hope and dreams are what they are, just hope and dreams.

Brutality rules here on planet earth, you don't get to be #1 by being nice.

It sucks but it's true, no need to be hopeful and dreamy for that, we already have it.

I suppose I could hope and dream that my post is completely untrue.
I wish there was no need to hope and dream.

OK, I'll stop now.

Originally posted by ChrisF231
What the hell do these dip# idiots think the military does? They should be thankful that they serve in 2009 and not 1944 or they would be put in front of a firing squad like yellowbelly Eddie Slovak*.
[edit on 27-12-2009 by ChrisF231]

Depending upon the traitorous act military men and women can be put to death via firing squad today just the same as 1944, If this were WW III and people were refusing to follow orders you would be shocked at how quickly they would be put to death, so 2009 has nothing to do with it just the level of "national emergency"


Sailor

What's so wrong with people believing in what their govt. tells them?
this is a reality

People should be able to believe in their govts.
Its unfortunate that we must be skeptics

So therefore it's not a valid argument to say "Oh nobody pointed a gun to their head and forced them to sign up"

They were lied to
Everyone is lied to

I was in the military nearly 20 years ago (can't believe that myself!).

From my personal experiences, you can go in the military with a big heart. Then, even in the first month, they assault you with abuse and humiliation. They break you. Then they tell you how to feel, what to be excited about. By the time you're finished with training, the person who joined no longer exists. You learn that following leaders and joining friendships is the only thing that will keep you alive. You learn to separate yourself from your work. IF you're lucky, something triggers you out of this stupor. Most are not that lucky because the state of fear is constant. You forget there is more than one path. You know they own you.

This is why slavery is bad.

Of course that's just my experience.

Originally posted by Pr0t0

Originally posted by Sailor1
reply to post by jam321

 

a Marine, Soldier, Sailor or Airman in a combat role must stick to the mission at hand, also under articles of the UCMJ it is ILLEGAL for active duty military personnel to take part in protests against his government or against any theater of war that US forces are currently engaged

What about when the morality of the 'mission at hand' becomes questionable? What if you know full well you're breaking your own ethical values?

When I go to work I don't leave my conscience at the door, and neither should anyone. Active or not if they disagree with what is going on it's perfectly fine for them to have their opinion, in fact it's better than fine, it's great. Gives you some hope that there are some genuine human beings left serving, and hopefully not so many who have been duped for so long they don't know the difference between right and wrong anymore .

[edit on 27-12-2009 by Pr0t0]

Yes, the good Nazi soldiers also followed this credo! They had to defend the "motherland" and the wonderful ideals of National Socialism! Also, all good Roman soldiers followed the same... it is for Rome that we fight! For Rome shall never fall! Hail Caesar! Heil Hitler!

It is very important to not cause the soldiers to question their agenda, because the wonderful goals of the Fuerer will not be realized! Only after the maximum number of people are killed, and after the enemy's dreams have been smashed, and after the morality of the AGENDA has been exposed for its morbidly hideous character, only then can the validity of the agenda be questioned! Only then may history judge us for our evil!

It is highly important to protect the lives of the soldiers at all costs, since we all know that the lives of the soldiers are worth so much more than the men, women, and children of the occupied country. Their lives are worthless and meaningless. The dreams they had since childhood do not really count, because their world, the world of the occupied is of no consequence. All that matters is the end goal... the spoils of war... the corporate agenda!

Do not doubt for one moment that the value and survival of empire far exceeds the worth of the invaded and occupied! OUR country, OUR empire, OUR lives, OUR children, OUR livelihood, OUR jobs, OUR economy, OUR land, OUR peace!!!! That is what is important! IT'S ALL ABOUT US! That is FAR more important than all other countries, peoples, lives, or dreams! Our blood is redder, our hearts pump harder, our tears are more salty, and our dreams more important! That is the message! That is what we are saying! That is our belief! That is our honor! There is great honor in seeing ourselves as superior in every way! Believe it!

Well, isn't that what we are saying?

I can't believe some of the posters here.
Starting with YOU, Jam321.

No, you know what is ACTUALLY illegal for a soldier in the US Armed Forces?
Of course you do.
It is ILLEGAL to follow an UNLAWFUL order.

Which is exactly what every soldier in uniform is doing in Iraq and Afghanistan this very instant.

Oh, and OP, this is nothing new. I was a soldier when these wars broke out and I felt the exact same way then.
Soldiers aren't *just now* waking up. Soldiers are becoming more and more disenfranchised with the hegemonical ideals of their corrupt leaders and are tired of playing along any more.

But most soldiers have known this stuff from the get-go.

They are sick of it... and I don't blame them.

There will only be peace on earth when our young men and women decide to no longer wage war against eachother.