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Continued
The research shows that neutering a male dog does NOT decrease sexual behaviors such as mounting or roaming. It is said that spaying with calm your
dog but the research shows that spaying a female dog can have the opposite effect because spaying eliminates the production of estrogen, which aids in
the production of serotonin.
The research also shows that spayed females show a 30% increase in adverse reactions to vaccines over intact dogs and a 27% increase in neutered male
dogs.
Neutered male dogs and spayed female dogs are at increased risk of progressing from mild to severe geriatric cognitive impairment compared to intact
male dogs. Geriatric cognitive impairment includes disorientation in the house or outdoors, changes in social interactions with human family members,
loss of house training, and changes in the sleep-wake cycle.
I feel that the veterinarian community over emphasizes the pros in order to get you to pay for a procedure that is not entirely necessary. I dont
think their intentions are to limit unwanted litters because proper education and training can accomplish the same thing. Owner responsibility could
accomplish the same task.
If you are going to get your dog neutered or spayed, do your research and by all means wait until your pet is FULL grown before you have this
procedure done. Your dog will live a longer and happier life if you do.
And by all means learn how to train your dog properly and you will see behavioral improvements when they get to be 1-2 years old without the need for
an unnecessary and harmful procedure.
Sources
National Animal Interest Alliance
Long-term Risks and benefits of
neutering
The Question of Neutering
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
Dangers of Neutering your dog, page 1
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Topic started on 27-12-2009 @ 12:42 AM by iamcamouflage
Across the nation Veterinarians recommend that you should spay or neuter your dog before the age of 1. They always list all the benefits of neutering
and never mention any of the potential dangers. I would like to state up front that the case for not neutering your female dog is a little more mixed.
As I will explain below.
Here is what the American Veterinary Medical Association has to say about spaying and neutering.
They list the following benefits:
-Improved behavioral problems
-Decrease in testicular and prostate cancers in males
-Decrease in breast and ovarian cancers in females
-Less roaming in search for a mate
Along with these claims they say that neutering will calm you dog down and make them better behaved.
While it may be true that neutering a dog will decrease the instance in testicular, prostate, breast and ovarian cancers.(makes sense that they will not get cancer in the organ you removed). They fail to tell you a couple of important facts.
Pros and Cons for Neutering your Male Dog
On the positive side, neutering male dogs
• eliminates the small risk (probably <1%) of dying from testicular cancer
• reduces the risk of non-cancerous prostate disorders
• reduces the risk of perianal fistulas
• may possibly reduce the risk of diabetes (data inconclusive)
On the negative side, neutering male dogs
• if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a
common cancer in medium/large and larger breeds with a poor prognosis.
• increases the risk of cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 1.6
• triples the risk of hypothyroidism
• increases the risk of progressive geriatric cognitive impairment
• triples the risk of obesity, a common health problem in dogs with many associated health problems
• quadruples the small risk (<0.6%) of prostate cancer
• doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract cancers
• increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
• increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations
Pros and Cons for Neutering your Female Dog
The case for Female dogs is not as strong but arguable, nonetheless. The one major pro is a decrease in pyometra, which occurs in 23% of non-spayed females and kill 1% of those affected.
On the positive side, spaying female dogs
• if done before 2.5 years of age, greatly reduces the risk of mammary tumors, the most common
malignant tumors in female dogs
• nearly eliminates the risk of pyometra, which otherwise would affect about 23% of intact female
dogs; pyometra kills about 1% of intact female dogs
• reduces the risk of perianal fistulas
• removes the very small risk (0.5%) from uterine, cervical, and ovarian tumors
On the negative side, spaying female dogs
• if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a
common cancer in larger breeds with a poor prognosis
• increases the risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 2.2 and cardiac hemangiosarcoma by
a factor of >5; this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds
• triples the risk of hypothyroidism
• increases the risk of obesity by a factor of 1.6-2, a common health problem in dogs with many
associated health problems
• causes urinary “spay incontinence” in 4-20% of female dogs
• increases the risk of persistent or recurring urinary tract infections by a factor of 3-4
• increases the risk of recessed vulva, vaginal dermatitis, and vaginitis, especially for female dogs
spayed before puberty
• doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract tumors
• increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
• increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations
Behavior
Your vet will tell you that the behavior of your dog will improve when it is spayed or neutered. The fact is, your dog will behave better if you train it properly and dogs tend to calm down as they age with or without neutering. When dogs are young they are like little kids they have tons of energy and they have not learned the skills to control themselves in most situations. Most vets recommend getting your dog spayed or neutered between 6 months and 1 year and some will even claim that behavioral changes can take another 6 months to a year to take effect.
I have owned many dogs in my life, not one neutered and if properly trained guess what usually happens in the time between 1-2 years of age....your dog will start to calm down and behave much better. It is this time when dogs really start to learn really well and remember things. They have adjusted to your training and what you expect of them. They are much more able to control themselves in different situations, they respond to your voice much better and believe it or not, all without neutering them.
With all this said, I have seen many dogs spayed or neutered that behave terribly and the reason is that they were not properly trained. Cesar Millan has made millions off people who do not know how to train their dogs.
Most of us are aware of what an important role hormones play in our own bodies
and the same can be said for our pets. Some medium and large breed dogs are not fully grown until the age of 2 and vets will recommend neutering up to 18 month prior to this. By doing this you are robbing your pet of hormones that are vital to its growth and development. Neutered dogs tend to be smaller and can develop bone and muscle problems later in life. Six months in a medium sized dog is the equivalent to a 7.5 year old human, with regards to development. Do you think that a 7.5 year old child would develop properly if you removed his/her testis or ovaries at that age?
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
Here is what the American Veterinary Medical Association has to say about spaying and neutering.
They list the following benefits:
-Improved behavioral problems
-Decrease in testicular and prostate cancers in males
-Decrease in breast and ovarian cancers in females
-Less roaming in search for a mate
Along with these claims they say that neutering will calm you dog down and make them better behaved.
While it may be true that neutering a dog will decrease the instance in testicular, prostate, breast and ovarian cancers.(makes sense that they will not get cancer in the organ you removed). They fail to tell you a couple of important facts.
Pros and Cons for Neutering your Male Dog
On the positive side, neutering male dogs
• eliminates the small risk (probably <1%) of dying from testicular cancer
• reduces the risk of non-cancerous prostate disorders
• reduces the risk of perianal fistulas
• may possibly reduce the risk of diabetes (data inconclusive)
On the negative side, neutering male dogs
• if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a
common cancer in medium/large and larger breeds with a poor prognosis.
• increases the risk of cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 1.6
• triples the risk of hypothyroidism
• increases the risk of progressive geriatric cognitive impairment
• triples the risk of obesity, a common health problem in dogs with many associated health problems
• quadruples the small risk (<0.6%) of prostate cancer
• doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract cancers
• increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
• increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations
Pros and Cons for Neutering your Female Dog
The case for Female dogs is not as strong but arguable, nonetheless. The one major pro is a decrease in pyometra, which occurs in 23% of non-spayed females and kill 1% of those affected.
On the positive side, spaying female dogs
• if done before 2.5 years of age, greatly reduces the risk of mammary tumors, the most common
malignant tumors in female dogs
• nearly eliminates the risk of pyometra, which otherwise would affect about 23% of intact female
dogs; pyometra kills about 1% of intact female dogs
• reduces the risk of perianal fistulas
• removes the very small risk (0.5%) from uterine, cervical, and ovarian tumors
On the negative side, spaying female dogs
• if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a
common cancer in larger breeds with a poor prognosis
• increases the risk of splenic hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 2.2 and cardiac hemangiosarcoma by
a factor of >5; this is a common cancer and major cause of death in some breeds
• triples the risk of hypothyroidism
• increases the risk of obesity by a factor of 1.6-2, a common health problem in dogs with many
associated health problems
• causes urinary “spay incontinence” in 4-20% of female dogs
• increases the risk of persistent or recurring urinary tract infections by a factor of 3-4
• increases the risk of recessed vulva, vaginal dermatitis, and vaginitis, especially for female dogs
spayed before puberty
• doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract tumors
• increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
• increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations
Behavior
Your vet will tell you that the behavior of your dog will improve when it is spayed or neutered. The fact is, your dog will behave better if you train it properly and dogs tend to calm down as they age with or without neutering. When dogs are young they are like little kids they have tons of energy and they have not learned the skills to control themselves in most situations. Most vets recommend getting your dog spayed or neutered between 6 months and 1 year and some will even claim that behavioral changes can take another 6 months to a year to take effect.
I have owned many dogs in my life, not one neutered and if properly trained guess what usually happens in the time between 1-2 years of age....your dog will start to calm down and behave much better. It is this time when dogs really start to learn really well and remember things. They have adjusted to your training and what you expect of them. They are much more able to control themselves in different situations, they respond to your voice much better and believe it or not, all without neutering them.
With all this said, I have seen many dogs spayed or neutered that behave terribly and the reason is that they were not properly trained. Cesar Millan has made millions off people who do not know how to train their dogs.
Most of us are aware of what an important role hormones play in our own bodies
and the same can be said for our pets. Some medium and large breed dogs are not fully grown until the age of 2 and vets will recommend neutering up to 18 month prior to this. By doing this you are robbing your pet of hormones that are vital to its growth and development. Neutered dogs tend to be smaller and can develop bone and muscle problems later in life. Six months in a medium sized dog is the equivalent to a 7.5 year old human, with regards to development. Do you think that a 7.5 year old child would develop properly if you removed his/her testis or ovaries at that age?
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 03:59 AM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by iamcamouflage
Continued:
Here is some more data and sources with regards to cancer and dogs.
Now, not all the cancer deaths can be attributed to neutering but with that said not all the euthanasia can be attributed to dogs from unwanted litters. Usually it is adult dogs that are found and put into shelters, not because someone dumped them but because the owner failed to pay attention or keep their pet on a leash. And the reason that those dogs are not adopted is because some are not well trained or they dont adapt well to a new home as an adult. It is just easier to train a puppy than an adult dog.
I'm not trying to say nobody should neuter their pet, its your pet and you can do what you want but please be aware of the increased risks. There is no data to suggest that your dog will be better behaved, less likely to run off or safer from a medical standpoint after they have been neutered. And if you are trying to keep the dog numbers in check because of the number that are killed, keep in mind that only .0333% of all dogs end up in shelters and only 0.0166% of all dogs are euthanized. If you are going to neuter your pet, at least wait until your dog is full grown, depending on the breed(smaller dogs mature faster)it can range from 1-2 years. Most vets will recommend 6-9monts and this is irresponsible and they wont tell you why.
These are the facts of neutering and your vet and the AVMA, hides the truth regarding the dangers of neutering your pet.
Regards
Sources
CanineCancer
About.com
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
[edit on 27/12/09 by masqua]
Continued:
Here is some more data and sources with regards to cancer and dogs.
Cancer is the number killer of dogs.
-The urinary tract in dogs includes the kidneys, ureters, urinary bladder, prostate, and urethra. Cancer can occur in any of these sites but the bladder is most commonly affected. Although bladder cancer in dogs accounts for approximately 1% of all dog cancers, the rate of increase of this type of cancer over the past 10 years is estimated at over 200%.
-Osteosarcoma (OSA) accounts for only approximately 5% of all canine tumors, but is by far the most common bone tumor of the dog. It is a malignant tumor of the bone and can develop in any bone, but most often occurs in bones bordering the shoulder, wrist and knee. Osteosarcoma of the limbs is called appendicular osteosarcoma and accounts for 75-85% of the cases of bone cancer. However, these tumors can also affect the axial skeleton (cranium, spinal column, ribs)
-One in three dogs will get cancer and of those 1/2 will die.
Not all of these cancers can be directly attributed to neutering but the research shows that these cancers are going up in dog populations and that neutering increases their risks.
Now many people like to point out the number of animals that are put down because they are unwanted. The National Council reports it on Pet Population Study and Policy, from the 5000 or so US agencies who responded to the survey, that over 2 million dogs enter shelters annually. Of those 27% are relinquished by owners, 42% are turned in by animal control, 31 by other sources, of these dogs, 56% are euthanized. This means that just over 1 million dogs are euthanized each year.
But most of these pets are put down simply because they are lost and the owner is never found, not because they are a puppy from an unwanted litter.
So each year we lose about 1 million dogs to euthanasia and about 1 million dogs to cancer(specifically the cancers that are increased through neutering.) 73% of all dogs in animal shelters are found or turned in by other sources(usually someone else finding the dog), only 27%(540,000) are actually unwanted. Now some of the 73% may be just dumped off somewhere by the owner but those numbers are not known. So 540,000 of the 60million dogs in the US are actually unwanted(.0009%). If we take the total number of dogs turned into shelters each year 2 million against the total number of dogs in the US only .0333% of all the dogs in the US end up in shelters.
Now, not all the cancer deaths can be attributed to neutering but with that said not all the euthanasia can be attributed to dogs from unwanted litters. Usually it is adult dogs that are found and put into shelters, not because someone dumped them but because the owner failed to pay attention or keep their pet on a leash. And the reason that those dogs are not adopted is because some are not well trained or they dont adapt well to a new home as an adult. It is just easier to train a puppy than an adult dog.
I'm not trying to say nobody should neuter their pet, its your pet and you can do what you want but please be aware of the increased risks. There is no data to suggest that your dog will be better behaved, less likely to run off or safer from a medical standpoint after they have been neutered. And if you are trying to keep the dog numbers in check because of the number that are killed, keep in mind that only .0333% of all dogs end up in shelters and only 0.0166% of all dogs are euthanized. If you are going to neuter your pet, at least wait until your dog is full grown, depending on the breed(smaller dogs mature faster)it can range from 1-2 years. Most vets will recommend 6-9monts and this is irresponsible and they wont tell you why.
These are the facts of neutering and your vet and the AVMA, hides the truth regarding the dangers of neutering your pet.
Regards
Sources
CanineCancer
About.com
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
[edit on 27/12/09 by masqua]
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 04:59 AM by andy1033
reply to post by iamcamouflage
Why do you think more humans do not get sterilized?
Same here, that energies produced mean alot to humans as they do all beings. Its the most important energy we all produce.
Why do you think more humans do not get sterilized?
Same here, that energies produced mean alot to humans as they do all beings. Its the most important energy we all produce.
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 05:34 AM by foxhoundone
reply to post by iamcamouflage
Do you think this applies to cats iamcamofladge ?? I have two cats one female and a male both neutered, On the plus side they do not go nuts (pardon the pun) When mating season kicks in and they tend to stay at home more often and are a Lot more relaxed than they were. On the down side they seem to give me dirty looks as if to say "You spoilsport". And i feel guilty for doing it to them, But i think it is for the better.. IMO...
Do you think this applies to cats iamcamofladge ?? I have two cats one female and a male both neutered, On the plus side they do not go nuts (pardon the pun) When mating season kicks in and they tend to stay at home more often and are a Lot more relaxed than they were. On the down side they seem to give me dirty looks as if to say "You spoilsport". And i feel guilty for doing it to them, But i think it is for the better.. IMO...
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 05:43 AM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by foxhoundone
I did not do the research on cats but to venture a guess I would say that the cancer rates probably go up. Hormones are hormones, they affect all animals very similarly with regards to not having them. When it comes to behavior I would guess that it probably helps cats more than dogs, only because dogs are more easily trained. Cats tend to do what they want or feel. When their body says mate, they go crazy.
The data is out there I just focused on dogs because i am more familiar with them. But I really think the cancer rates probably go up. But I am only speculating.
Also, it seems more cat owner are comfortable just letting their cats outside without supervision. I would not do this with dogs, thus I dont need to worry about my dog running off.
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
I did not do the research on cats but to venture a guess I would say that the cancer rates probably go up. Hormones are hormones, they affect all animals very similarly with regards to not having them. When it comes to behavior I would guess that it probably helps cats more than dogs, only because dogs are more easily trained. Cats tend to do what they want or feel. When their body says mate, they go crazy.
The data is out there I just focused on dogs because i am more familiar with them. But I really think the cancer rates probably go up. But I am only speculating.
Also, it seems more cat owner are comfortable just letting their cats outside without supervision. I would not do this with dogs, thus I dont need to worry about my dog running off.
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 03:28 PM by iamcamouflage
Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by iamcamouflage
Why do you think more humans do not get sterilized?
Same here, that energies produced mean alot to humans as they do all beings. Its the most important energy we all produce.
Exactly. Sterilization is dangerous and your vet will not disclose all of the dangers.
Ask your vet about these dangers and watch them squirm. I have done it they dont really know what to say. I have told them about the studies and they act like they are unaware.
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 03:48 PM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by Little One
All my sources are cited. Check the links, I did get if from that pdf which is in the second post.
All my sources are cited. Check the links, I did get if from that pdf which is in the second post.
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 03:50 PM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by Little One
You mean this link
Which is in my second post, i gather information from multiple locations. Yes i copied and pasted but my links and sources ARE listed.
You mean this link
Which is in my second post, i gather information from multiple locations. Yes i copied and pasted but my links and sources ARE listed.
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 03:50 PM by Little One
reply to post by iamcamouflage
You dont have the SOURCE CITED that you stole all of this from: WORD FOR WORD!
I do though:
www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
You dont have the SOURCE CITED that you stole all of this from: WORD FOR WORD!
I do though:
www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 03:51 PM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by Little One
Check the first link in the second post it is the PDF you just listed. I can correct my post to actually say that the information is located in the first link in the second post.
Check the first link in the second post it is the PDF you just listed. I can correct my post to actually say that the information is located in the first link in the second post.
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 04:00 PM by iamcamouflage
Originally posted by Little One
reply to post by iamcamouflage
You dont have the SOURCE CITED that you stole all of this from: WORD FOR WORD!
I do though:
www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
My link from the second post: Long Term Risks and benefits, sends you to the pdf that you are posting. I could have reworded all of what i copied and pasted but i figured as long as I listed all my sources it would be sufficient. This is not a research paper, i was only trying to get this information out there. I provided my own thought and gathered and rewrote it.
Check all of the links before you go accusing me of stealing. I posted all the links where i got my information and I have seen this done on many sites, including this one. I understand that this would not hold up to the standards of a university research( I know, as i have written several) but this is an internet forum.
Again, all of my sources are absolutely listed.
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 04:07 PM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by Little One
BS I did not add it after you said something, that link has been in the post from the very beginning. You just didnt see it and tried to jump all over me. Go ask a mod for when my last edit to that post was, it was sometime this morning. For some reason the edit button is not even available for my first two posts.
My research, was taking multiple sources and putting them together in one place. I'm sorry you want to hold an internet form to the level of a college research paper. Also notice that I always say THE RESEARCH, not my research. I posted a section from that pdf with the pros and cons, the section on behavior is all my own writing, along with several other sections
Quit trying to hijack my thread with false accusations.
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
BS I did not add it after you said something, that link has been in the post from the very beginning. You just didnt see it and tried to jump all over me. Go ask a mod for when my last edit to that post was, it was sometime this morning. For some reason the edit button is not even available for my first two posts.
My research, was taking multiple sources and putting them together in one place. I'm sorry you want to hold an internet form to the level of a college research paper. Also notice that I always say THE RESEARCH, not my research. I posted a section from that pdf with the pros and cons, the section on behavior is all my own writing, along with several other sections
Quit trying to hijack my thread with false accusations.
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 04:14 PM by Little One
reply to post by iamcamouflage
ALL your posts prove themselves:
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
Every single one of them EDITED. And that was ONLY after my initial post. NO edits before then - hell you were only copy/pasting... whats to edit!?
IM NOT going to argue with you anymore over it. Its here for all to see.
I have proven myself. You, however, did something nasty. I caught you. And called you on it. Thats ATS baby!
Its a chance we take when we steal and/or lie about research being or not being our own - getting busted.
ALL your posts prove themselves:
[edit on 27-12-2009 by iamcamouflage]
Every single one of them EDITED. And that was ONLY after my initial post. NO edits before then - hell you were only copy/pasting... whats to edit!?
IM NOT going to argue with you anymore over it. Its here for all to see.
I have proven myself. You, however, did something nasty. I caught you. And called you on it. Thats ATS baby!
Its a chance we take when we steal and/or lie about research being or not being our own - getting busted.
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 04:22 PM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by Little One
Dude you are flat out lying. All and I mean all of those links have been in these thread from the very beginning. Go ask a mod. I copied and pasted a couple sections and left sources for everything.
I would love for a mod to get involved and verify the edit times. My posts were edited at before 7am this morning. You are being rude.
Please any mod who can verify the edit times for my second post please do. I did copy and paste the pro and con section but the majority of the writing in all three of my first post is my own writing.
This thread was originally moved to an incorrect forum and i had to move it all to a new thread.
Dude you are flat out lying. All and I mean all of those links have been in these thread from the very beginning. Go ask a mod. I copied and pasted a couple sections and left sources for everything.
I would love for a mod to get involved and verify the edit times. My posts were edited at before 7am this morning. You are being rude.
Please any mod who can verify the edit times for my second post please do. I did copy and paste the pro and con section but the majority of the writing in all three of my first post is my own writing.
This thread was originally moved to an incorrect forum and i had to move it all to a new thread.
reply posted on 27-12-2009 @ 04:30 PM by iamcamouflage
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I never said people shouldnt spay or neuter. I'm only pointing out the dangers that your vet will not tell you. If you want to spay or neuter go for it but the data i have posted is accurate. And you will be hard pressed to find data showing the pros that are claimed with regards to improved health or less roaming.
None of that information can be cited with any studies.
And i agree, waiting to spay or neuter until after 18 months is really important but most vets will tell you 6-12months depending on the breed.
You are right i should have put those few sections that i copied and pasted in quotes and i would do so now but like i said the "edit" button for my first two posts is not even there for me to do. I would love to so that little one would be happy.
I copied and pasted a couple sections of the pdf that i had a source for from the very beginning. Littleone didnt see it and is not attacking my character and it sucks. I was not attempting to claim someone elses work as my own and that is why i kept saying THE RESEARCH and not MY RESEARCH. I figured that having all my sources at the end would be sufficient but apparently not.
All of my edits for the first 3 posts were made before 7am this morning while i was at work. I didnt edit anyone of those three posts after that and I really wish a mod could post the times of those edits to clear my name.
Sucks!@@ I was not trying to steal anyones work and now i have to use this tread to defend myself instead of discussing the topic of the thread.
I never said people shouldnt spay or neuter. I'm only pointing out the dangers that your vet will not tell you. If you want to spay or neuter go for it but the data i have posted is accurate. And you will be hard pressed to find data showing the pros that are claimed with regards to improved health or less roaming.
None of that information can be cited with any studies.
And i agree, waiting to spay or neuter until after 18 months is really important but most vets will tell you 6-12months depending on the breed.
You are right i should have put those few sections that i copied and pasted in quotes and i would do so now but like i said the "edit" button for my first two posts is not even there for me to do. I would love to so that little one would be happy.
I copied and pasted a couple sections of the pdf that i had a source for from the very beginning. Littleone didnt see it and is not attacking my character and it sucks. I was not attempting to claim someone elses work as my own and that is why i kept saying THE RESEARCH and not MY RESEARCH. I figured that having all my sources at the end would be sufficient but apparently not.
All of my edits for the first 3 posts were made before 7am this morning while i was at work. I didnt edit anyone of those three posts after that and I really wish a mod could post the times of those edits to clear my name.
Sucks!@@ I was not trying to steal anyones work and now i have to use this tread to defend myself instead of discussing the topic of the thread.
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