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The view for which Marcion was most soundly criticized was not only that he denied any connection between the Old and New Testaments but that he also rejected the Old Testament in its entirety. The God of the Old Testament, his studies led him to assert, was a God of Law and Judgment, completely different from the God of Love and Mercy, the Father of Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament. The former, "Creator God," held mankind in a deceitful grasp from which the "Redeemer God" sought, through the mission of Jesus, to save him.
These views, expounded in Marcion's "Antitheses," led the Marcionite Church to develop its own canon of Scripture, a fact that played no small part in forcing the Christian Church to regularize its own canon.
Originally posted by andre18
reply to post by Ghost in the Machine
You know i might agree with you there but there's got to be some Christians who've come across this thread and are actually questioning their beliefs for the first time. I mean there's got to be some who never knew the bible was made up the way it was.
When it comes to these changes to the bible you have doctrine wars going on and you have no original manuscripts, no authors versions, you have no idea where most of these books came from. You don't know who wrote them, known of them are signed.
Basically what you get is a book by comity
When it comes to these changes to the bible you have doctrine wars going on and you have no original manuscripts, no authors versions, you have no idea where most of these books came from. You don't know who wrote them, known of them are signed.
You obviously agree there is a God.
A God would most certainly try to communicate with us.
We know he can not be in the presence of sin.
A God would be able to get what ever message across to us that he wanted to. I know of no other attempt at communication.
If it were in error I have enough faith to believe he would mend it . It is scripture and the living word. You fail as far as I'm concerned.
from the Wikipedia article:
Main article: Marcionism
Study of the Hebrew Scriptures and documents circulating in the early church (the New Testament canon had not yet been authoritatively delineated and closed) led Marcion to conclude that many of the teachings of Christ are incompatible with the actions of Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament. This led to Marcion developing a dualist system of belief around the year 144.[8]
Marcion affirmed Jesus Christ as the saviour sent by God (the Heavenly Father), and Paul as his chief apostle. In contrast to the nascent Christian church, Marcion declared that Christianity was distinct from and in opposition to Judaism, a radical view given that Christianity was not yet established as a fully-fledged religion separate from and independent of Judaism. Not only did Marcion reject the entire Hebrew Bible, he also argued for the existence of two Gods: Yahweh, who created the material universe, and the Heavenly Father of the New Testament, of which Jesus Christ was the living incarnation. Yahweh was viewed as a lesser demiurge, who had created the earth, and whose law, the Mosaic covenant, represented bare natural justice: i.e., an eye for an eye. Jesus was the living incarnation of a different God, a new God of compassion and love, sometimes called the Heavenly Father. The two Gods were thought of as having distinct personalities: Yahweh is petty, cruel and jealous, a tribal God who is only interested in the welfare of the Jews, while the Heavenly Father is a universal God who loves all of humanity, and looks upon His children with mercy and benevolence. This dual-God notion allowed Marcion to reconcile the apparent contradictions between the Old Testament and the narratives of Jesus' life and ministry.
Yahweh, according to Marcionite thinking, is a legalistic entity. After creating the world and humanity, Yahweh grew to hate mankind for its sin. The Old Testament God thus felt justified in punishing mankind by causing humans to suffer and, eventually, to die. In a strictly legal sense, this was a sound approach.
The Heavenly Father showed Himself to be far more compassionate when He revealed Himself through His Son, Jesus Christ.
The Heavenly Father showed His love for humanity by healing sickness and performing miracles.
Finally, He offered His Son for crucifixion.
By sacrificing Himself, Jesus, as the Heavenly Father made flesh, was paying the debt of sin that humanity owed to the old God.
This sacrifice wiped humanity's slate clean, and allowed humanity to inherit eternal life.
Marcion's canon consisted of eleven books: the Gospel (of Marcion), and ten of Paul's epistles. All other epistles and gospels of the New Testament were rejected.[9] Paul's epistles enjoy a prominent position in the Marcionite canon,
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Epic fail - does it not seep in? any of the op??? any of it at all???
Originally posted by randyvs
Oh so you are an atheist? Your OP dosn't lead one to believe so.
No sorry I get nothing from your OP.