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We are a direct part of God and directly involved in the Creation (I'm not saying as individual souls. In any of the cases, the Christian beliefs about God have been twisted by the church, for what reason, I don't know. Any Thoughts?
Originally posted by ModestThought
...Logically the only conclusion that can be drawn from the beliefs about the Christian God are 1.) God doesn't know everything or 2.) God doesn't Love us perfectly or 3.) we have no free will and therefore are not responsible for our actions or 4.) There is no Eternal damnation or 5.) We are a direct part of God and directly involved in the Creation (I'm not saying as individual souls. In any of the cases, the Christian beliefs about God have been twisted by the church, for what reason, I don't know. Any Thoughts?
[edit on 26-12-2009 by ModestThought]
Blaspheme is a Greek word and as far as I know, Jesus did not speak Greek. He must have said some other word, which somewhere down the road became blaspheme. He probably just said something like "insult the Holy Spirit".
Back when I was 16, I took some '___' and everything had little voices and were saying, "I am god", or something like that. I don't really think everything is god. Obviously everything exists because of God, but He is not of this universe, as in being a part of it, or everything being part of Him.
We are a long way down the chain and we think of God as being ourself, since this is really all we know.
We are men, who have cattle like traits.
There are no pre-humans, meaning, there are not some other animal that became human. Man was created. That's the point of Genesis.
Free agency is the creed of the deceiver. People were created to have a leadership. Cain is an example of what happens when someone goes against the system in place that he was to follow.
The problem is spelled out by John the Baptist, that the system has become corrupted to the point that it could not be reformed. That coincided with the appearance of the person who set up another system which is freedom in being led directly by God, through the spirit.
My thinking is not based on creation theory, but intervention theory.
I admit that I'm not much up on creation theory, but you seem to be saying that man was created distinctly separate from animals and is not related to those which seem to be related. There's not much to grab onto there.
Originally posted by Chainmaker
Originally posted by ModestThought
reply to post by Chainmaker
Do you really believe an all powerful Eternal Being would be so petty as to not love his creation because it didn't love him back? Also Perfect Love does not require Love in return.
God does love all of us, and has provided an opportunity for all of us to be saved, and has demonstrated his Perfect Love by coming down here and being tortured and murdered to save us, to show us his Perfect Mercy, to allow us the chance to be cleansed of our Evil.
He will still love Adolf Hitler the day he throws Adolf's soul into the spiritual lake of fire that will destroy it, even though he will despise Adolf's actions and Adolph's choice not to love Perfect Good, and he will take no pleasure from the fact that Adolph had to go away in order for Perfect Justice to take place and allow those who loved Perfect Good to be able to live in eternal paradise.
If you don't love God, you don't love Perfect Good.
If you don't love Perfect Good, you cannot ever go to a perfectly good place.
You could hate God for giving us free will, and use it as an excuse to pursue Evil, or you could love him for giving us free will, and use your free will to love God back and try to emulate his Perfect Love and Perfect Mercy.