For anyone who still believes the GOP is the change to believe in:

GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP

Republicans can not be trusted....

What a bunch of hypocrites! How dare they think they can fool the American public into thinking that they are for anything other than transferring wealth and power to the elitist of the elite.

...Republican lawmakers who approved a major Medicare expansion six years ago that has added tens of billions of dollars to federal deficits, but oppose current health overhaul plans. All current GOP senators, including the 24 who voted for the 2003 Medicare expansion, oppose the health care bill that's backed by President Barack Obama and most congressional Democrats. The Democrats claim that their plan moving through Congress now will pay for itself with higher taxes and spending cuts and they cite the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office for support.

If people actually want to vote for true 'conservative' economic values and principles, then voting for a republican is surely a fool's endeavor. Tea-baggers need to support candidates that are far removed from the feckless and insincere GOP:

...when Republicans controlled the House, Senate and White House in 2003, they overcame Democratic opposition to add a deficit-financed prescription drug benefit to Medicare. The program will cost a half-trillion dollars over 10 years, or more by some estimates. With no new taxes or spending offsets accompanying the Medicare drug program, the cost has been added to the federal debt.

Listen to what several of the senior Republican Senators had to say, and then try to tell me that there is anything principled about these slaves to the powers that be:

Six years ago, "it was standard practice not to pay for things," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. "We were concerned about it, because it certainly added to the deficit, no question." His 2003 vote has been vindicated, Hatch said, because the prescription drug benefit "has done a lot of good." Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, said those who see hypocrisy "can legitimately raise that issue." But he defended his positions in 2003 and now, saying the economy is in worse shape and Americans are more anxious.

Gee, I wonder why the economy is in worse shape and Americans are more anxious, Are they so insulting to think that Americans don't understand what is cause, and what is effect? These fools must think that their voters are the biggest bunch of ignorant hicks ever.

If true conservatives want real change, and finally refuse to be taken for nothing better than fools and slaves, they can NOT allow themselves to be tricked into voting for the Republican party. You will hear that you are throwing away your vote, DO NOT BE TRICKED by that BS logic. Real change requires the courage to vote your convictions.

Best,
Skunknuts

And those tha voted for the annointed one really got the change they deserved and something they can believe it..... in old english...they also got hosed...


neither side is worth a crap anymore... perhaps it is time to tear it all down and start over...

Originally posted by lilwolf
And those tha voted for the annointed one really got the change they deserved and something they can believe it..... in old english...they also got hosed...


neither side is worth a crap anymore... perhaps it is time to tear it all down and start over...

I second that. I am all for the fall of both parties. It seriously bothers me that any one can still support one or the other. I have had people tell me "At least my part isn't as corrupt as the other party" and I tell them that members of the other party think the same thing. They are to sides of the same coin who's only goal is to conquer and divide.

Originally posted by lilwolf
And those tha voted for the annointed one really got the change they deserved and something they can believe it..... in old english...they also got hosed...


neither side is worth a crap anymore... perhaps it is time to tear it all down and start over...

Although they have more in common than they think, unfortunately, the Naderites, Greens, Kucinich supporters, etc. most likely won't be joining up with those that believe in true libertarian values, Ron Paul supporters, Palinistas, etc. anytime soon.

My OP was directed to those that profess to hold true conservatives principles.

Best,
Skunknuts

Both GOP and Democratic politicians tend to be hypocrites. It was senators from both parties that supported Bushes oil war in Iraq, they both voted to support Bush in his conquest to Iraq. Lets not forget that patriot act (to which neither party has taken constitutional responsibility to remove) and in addition to that both parties supported deregulating wallstreet and the speculators (Clinton as president, a democrat, pushed for it).

During Bushes 8 years of his presidency, there were 55 republicans as a majority, but they still needed Democratic support to prevent a filibuster and they got it.

This doesnt mean that all politicians in those parties are bad either. I may vote a Democratic senator that supports my views but that doesnt mean I excuse the entire party. Same for Ron Paulers, that constantly yap about the two party system yet continue to support Ron Paul who's apart of it.

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Originally posted by calstorm

Originally posted by lilwolf
And those tha voted for the annointed one really got the change they deserved and something they can believe it..... in old english...they also got hosed...

neither side is worth a crap anymore... perhaps it is time to tear it all down and start over...

I second that. I am all for the fall of both parties. It seriously bothers me that any one can still support one or the other. I have had people tell me "At least my part isn't as corrupt as the other party" and I tell them that members of the other party think the same thing. They are to sides of the same coin who's only goal is to conquer and divide.

This is my point, exactly. The teabag movement cannot allow itself to be engulfed by the GOP. The republicans had their chance, and they showed us all what their agenda looks like when they had the will of the people combined with the white house, senate, house, and supreme court.

If Sarah Palin wants the political support and respect of thoughtful conservatives, and to show that she is more than twitter and getting rich on her book, than she needs to divorce herself from the republican party ASAP!

Best,
Skunknuts

This whole TEA Party deal combined with the epic failure of Democrat Party will make the GOP more conservative. The more conservative the party becomes the more successfull it will be.

The OP was right the old McCain GOP, who brought us wasteful spending on Medicare, are taking steps to improve themselves. Let's keep the pressure on them!

It all starts in 2010!!!!!

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
During Bushes 8 years of his presidency, there were 55 republicans as a majority, but they still needed Democratic support to prevent a filibuster and they got it.

Also, many times the Republicans pushed their destructive agenda through without conceding to the 60 vote necessity mandated by the cloture vote. Remember all the threats of using the 'nuclear' option, as well as the repetitive chant of 'allow an up or down vote!' The GOP is composed of the biggest load of hypocrites imaginable. That is partially why so many progressives are mad that Obama and Reid are respecting the senate's rules regarding filibusters.

Best,
Skunknuts

Originally posted by Carseller4
This whole TEA Party deal combined with the epic failure of Democrat Party will make the GOP more conservative. The more conservative the party becomes the more successfull it will be.

The OP was right the old McCain GOP, who brought us wasteful spending on Medicare, are taking steps to improve themselves. Let's keep the pressure on them!

It all starts in 2010!!!!!

They GOP will tell you whatever they think you want to hear in order to wrest back power. They had their chance, and you see what America got. Don't let them laugh at you behind your back any longer!!

Best,
Skunknuts

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Both GOP and Democratic politicians tend to be hypocrites.

That is, most definitely, the tendency and has been for quite a long time.

During Bushes 8 years of his presidency, there were 55 republicans as a majority, but they still needed Democratic support to prevent a filibuster and they got it.

Actually, in 2001,

There were 50 Ds and 50 Rs until May 24, 2001, when Sen. James Jeffords (R-VT) switched to Independent status, effective June 6, 2001; he announced that he would caucus with the Democrats, giving the Democrats a one-seat advantage.

while the Republicans did control the House at 221 - 214. Then, from 2007 - 2008, Bush's last two years in office, the Democrats controlled both houses, albeit not a filibuster proof majority.

Balance of Power

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I can't tell you how many self proclaimed Republicans ditched the party because of the takeover of the party by the moderates that led to the nomination of John McCain.

Bush was a great leader, and a great war-time President, but he sucked at social issues. Medicare expansion, endorsing amnesty for illegal aliens were just 2 major issues that riled conservatives. Sure Bush was right of McCain, but he was still far left of Reagan, and Reagan is the guy the Republican Party leader has got to emmulate if the GOP is serious about 2012.

BTW the GOP doesn't have to tell me anything. They can feel the pinch in the pocketbook. I donated to Bush and the GOP in 2000 and 2004. They didn't get a cent from me since, and they know why.



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No offense Skunknuts, but you're looking at this thing with one good eye. I'm alarmed that you can so quickly recognize the Republican hypocrisy, yet you fail to make one slight mention of the EXACT SAME hypocrisy exhibited by the current Democrat led majority!

Frankly, people like you - on either side of the political spectrum - are the ENTIRE problem with the system. While you so ardently defend one party while demonizing the other you give them BOTH your power instead of retaining it yourself. Release yourself from the bonds of the old two-party system and start fighting with the rest of us for a better, more effective system that is truly representative of the people, not the corporations and special interest groups.!

Originally posted by kozmo
No offense Skunknuts, but you're looking at this thing with one good eye. I'm alarmed that you can so quickly recognize the Republican hypocrisy, yet you fail to make one slight mention of the EXACT SAME hypocrisy exhibited by the current Democrat led majority!

Frankly, people like you - on either side of the political spectrum - are the ENTIRE problem with the system. While you so ardently defend one party while demonizing the other you give them BOTH your power instead of retaining it yourself. Release yourself from the bonds of the old two-party system and start fighting with the rest of us for a better, more effective system that is truly representative of the people, not the corporations and special interest groups.!

No, no, no I saw the issues you describe way before the modern teabag movement was but a sparkle in Sarah Palin's handlers' eyes.

I just happen to believe that the remedy is a more socialistic capitalism vs. the fascist corporatism that the GOP supports.

Best,
Skunknuts

Originally posted by skunknuts

They GOP will tell you whatever they think you want to hear in order to wrest back power. They had their chance, and you see what America got. Don't let them laugh at you behind your back any longer!!

Out of the last 64 years, the Republicans have had a Senate majority only 20 years and a House majority only 14 years. Meaning the Democrats had control of both houses for 44 and 50 years, respectively.
Source: uspolitics.about.com...

Absolutely, the Republicans have had a hand in the destruction of our government. However, in order to be completely honest, no one can suggest one party has done more damage than the other. It has taken a long time and a lot of effort to put our country in the position, which we now find it. And, there it will remain, until both the Ds andRs are removed from power, for a while. It is time for the voters to invoke their power of term limits.

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How are term limits constitutional? I mean, I see the argument in favor of their imposition, but there does not seem to be much ambiguity in the law as it is written, right?

Best,
Skunknuts

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My statement was "It is time for the voters to invoke their power of term limits" meaning the power of term limits is at the ballot box, in the hands of the voters.

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Originally posted by WTFover
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My statement was "It is time for the voters to invoke their power of term limits" meaning the power of term limits is at the ballot box, in the hands of the voters.

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I see, that makes sense. My bad. So, what do you think of public financing of elections? I feel that would be a good direction in which to go.

Best,
Skunknuts

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Wow, there is a topic for an entire thread! I agree public funding should be considered, as a viable option.

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