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Our Republic Is Broken, A Constitutional Army Requested

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posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 11:07 AM
reply to post by Stephen29

No, not right wingers, just an American who's tired of the government...but dont' worry, there has been and will always be that American who's tired of it.

Also, the right wing isn't mentally ill?

What do you expect when you have idiots represent your precious party?

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 11:07 AM
reply to post by Millions

Thanks for asking John there is no new Rome, there is just that same old Rome.

In many ways the United States is currently suffering what the classic Roman Empire did that drove it in part underground and in part into a religious entity.

Pressure our on our borders from illegal immigrants who don’t want to conquer the nation but be included in its better way of life are taxing its infrastructure towards collapse, while at the same time the cost of operating a far flung military empire is driving our treasury into bankruptcy.

For Rome to survive and continue its plan of conquering the entire world and establishing a one world government under its rule it had to adapt and to adopt to survive partially through the Christian Religion and the Holy Roman Catholic’s Church control over that. Instead of costly bread and circuses citizens and slaves alike were offered the opportunity to save their eternal souls and secure an eternity of paradise and bliss though compliance to the Religious Laws. Instead of a centurion’s sword to smite down an enemy either the threat of eternal damnation and torture or if need be the wrath of the Christian faithful would ensure domination for Rome’s rule.

A myriad of secret societies that operate on a pyramid structure of progressive knowledge with each step up the ranks have long been employed as secret armies of Rome.

Ultimately when one follows the Treaties that establish nations and set up their sovereignty as states they always incorporate two elements. The first is they are established by the grace of G-d. This is not the mythical G-d in the heavens that so many Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike pray too. This is the Vicar of Christ, G-d’s legal representative by Treaty on Earth. The Vicar of Christ is Rome’s High Priest the Pontificus Maximus better known as the Pope who was declared G-d’s legal representative back in the 1100’s through binding treaty. It is no accident or simply whimsical romantic notion that causes one world leader after another to travel to the Vatican to kiss the Pope’s hand and secure his blessing.

The second element involved in all Treaties that establish sovereign nations is that the titles are all Roman in origin and if you keep following the Treaties backwards chronologically you realize two things, that even before the Pope was declared the Vicar of Christ that all the various existing nations were established through the power of Roman Republic, Roman Empire and Holy Roman Empire Titles from which the Sovereigns derived their power from. When you follow them back to the earliest ones you realize one important thing, Rome never ever went out of business or relinquished any claims on anything.

One of the Treaties that led to the Pope becoming the Vicar of Christ was in the 11th Century where in exchange for Rome’s and the Pope’s blessing the English Monarch bequeathed all of his wealth and holdings and lands and that of his heirs to the Catholic Church.
In reality the American Colonies were never King George’s property as a result, they have always been Rome’s property which is why Washington D.C. is set up as an Independent City State that is not part of the United States or subject to it’s laws to run the United States.

In fact King George’s most important title was prince, and prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire. He was also Arch Treasurer of the Holy Roman Empire and if one reads the Treaty of Paris that establishes the United States after the Revolutionary War both literally and objectively as Treaties are meant to be read as legally definitive binding documents between sovereign entities there is no mistaking that King George, as well as the High Mightiness of the Netherlands, and the King of Spain all princes of the Holy Roman Empire who derived their powers from the Holy Roman Empire Courts of Madrid, the Netherlands and Versailles, dictated the terms of the peace to the United States plenipotentiaries sent to negotiate the peace. In the treaties, our plenipotentiaries were actually stripped of all their titles they had bequeathed upon themselves through rebellion and were simply recognized as Esquires, Lawyers appointed to the Courts of Madrid, the Netherlands and Versailles.

While King George of England relinquished all claims to the United States as he decreed the United States in both name and entity as a State of the Holy Roman Empire he did not relinquish his role as our Prince Elector (The English Monarch gets to choose our President on behalf of Rome) and he did not relinquish his role as the United States Arch Treasurer (This is why the foreign owned Federal Reserve mints our money and controls it, money emblazoned with In G-d We Trust).

The Council of Eight was first established as the first form of Parliamentary Government in Seborga which is the sole surviving original state of the Roman Republic; it has never been incorporated into Italy or any other nation but has always been a sovereign principality. Principalities are ruled by Roman Princes, Monaco is another example of Roman Prince ruled principalities that still exists to this day the difference being is it did not exist at the start of the Republic or Empire as one.

Seborga is an incredibly small principality if you winked while passing it by you would miss it, yet from the most ancient times of the original Republic it was considered the holiest spot in pre-Christian Rome as it’s recessed hill hidden from the coast was reputed to be home of the G-ds and Mt. Olympus.

Like many other pagan Roman sites a Abbey was built on top of it but in the 900’s by treaty it was granted the right to reject any G-d or Icon.

Shortly there after 7 wealthy European Knights stopped at that Abbey to pray on their way to the Crusades, and in exchange for all their worldly goods the Prince Abbot of the Seborgan Abbey dubbed them the Poor Knights of Christ and sent along one of his monks with them to form a party of eight.

Those eight Poor Knights of Christ would later through their battlefield exploits become known as the Knights Templar and be granted extraordinary rights by Rome to travel through any nation without being subject to its laws, to set up their own banking and lending institutions, to camp on top of the ruins of the Temple in Jerusalem which they excavated heavily.

In short those eight Grand Masters of the Templar Knights became the first International Corporation and International Bank.

Amongst the things they excavated in Jerusalem during their long years there was the Holy Sepulcher the remains of Christ which they carried back to Seborga. Seborga is also the resting place of the Imperial Roman Scepter.

There are eight people in the world who bear a special Latin Title of He Who Knows the Resting Place of the Holy Sepulcher and the Imperial Scepter.

The Knights Templar coincidentally would eventually metamorphosis into the Freemasons and it was the Freemasons who orchestrated the Revolution here in America but in reality simply orchestrated its productive incorporation into the Holy Roman Empire and a right to govern it for their own posterity which is what the Constitution is all about, the founding fathers posterity.

It is true in 1805 that the Holy Roman Empire dissolved on paper which quickly led to the American War of 1812.

At that conclusion of the War of 1812 when the Treaty of Ghent was signed in Belgium once more the European Powers dictated the Treaty including the reinforcement of the original Treaty of Paris only this particular time the people who signed the Treaty of Ghent for the United States just happened to number eight people whose only legal title appearing on the Document was…He who knows the resting place of the Holy Sepulcher and the Imperial Roman Scepter!

Seborga was granted the right by treaty in the 900’s to always maintain an island nation for it’s defense because of its small size.

The United States was simply then reincorporated into the Roman Empire since the Holy Roman Empire had dissolved on paper.

It took the better part of 80 years for the Constitution to be stricken down and the Corporate Government to gain a firm hold on power which is what the Civil War was all about.

The money cartels that print that instrument of debt de facto currency that enslaves us all to notions of indebtedness all derive their power to do so from Rome and that whole system is governed by Rome. There are less than half a dozen nations still resisting Roman rule, and you can guess most of them simply through who is on the list of the Axis of Evil that the War on Terror is aimed at.

There is no book that will outline this for you, and no website or URL, you must simply read the treaties, and research the titles and their meanings and from which treaties those titles and their powers sprung up from.

All roads lead back to Rome who simply does what it does best and that is to use divide and conquer warfare to conquer, which is why nations are set up to exploit rivalries and jealousies that will effectively cause people to eliminate and keep incorporating one another, the various religious sects are also used for the same purposes.

It’s all out there, and in fact Rome surrounds us all in our money, in our architecture, in our laws and in our secret societies.

All roads lead to Rome but many pass through Egypt with stops along De Nile!

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 11:22 AM

Originally posted by amari
David Koresh- Remember Waco

Do we learn from lessons and tactics used?

Who was right and who was wrong and did U.S. Attorney Janet Reno make the

right move to go into the compound?

Will history repeat itself?

Sorry, just in case you missed it this just turned in a pro-child-rape thread.

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 11:27 AM
thought you guys may like this.

San Marino is the oldest republic. we should look to older republics to see how they lasted for so long, and possibly learn new/old ideas.

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 11:28 AM
i can tell your gummint will end up exactly like or worse than the previous one. you just want power. and you know who`s gonna buy into it? the Hollywood loving bunch that get eargazms out of listening to boring, long winded speeches that mean zilch. zero. nothing. what are people gonna do after all that emotional euphoria subsides after all that hooray, hooray? nothing. go back to the same pathetic existence. just with a new body in the office to herd them.

what are these people gonna do to gummint as it stands right now? a huge crowd with outdated weaponry fueled up by emotional speech. gummint will just devastate your uprising. a bunch of peasants vs body that uses super high tech defense/offense? the better way would be to educate people in the matter of utilizing cold factual natural laws. get people into engineering. teach them precise sciences like chemistry and physics. Albert Einstein`s brains > your whole would-be army. you know what i mean? defeat your gummint with brains, not heart.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by marsvolta]

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 12:00 PM
And I don't like commies. I can't stand them.

BTW_AGun nut is one who runs around shooting people needlessly.

Do not call us gun nuts when we simly adhere to the 2A for even your freedom to be stupid.

And Yes, I have put my life on the line for you and will do it again. Iin the meantime, get your thinking staright and your facts as well.

And if you don't like the constitution, please just move out of this country.

Thank you,


Originally posted by seethelight
God. After reading all these dangerous and mentally unstable posts I kinda hope Obama does take away your guns.

I mean really.

GW did most of the bad stuff you guys are whinging and moaning about and yet NONE OF YOU managed to even to try and execute that m0ther#3r...

Which is how you know this all just a bunch of tax-pansies, unworried about democracy, but scared of going back to Regan's tax rates.

Suck it up gun nuts.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by seethelight]

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 12:31 PM
I think we can do this without violence. all we need are a few small ideas and get enough people behind us to hit them where it hurts. These ideas alone are small, but together are monumental and I think can really show people we are serious. I am behind non violence movement all the way. Lets do it.

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 12:40 PM

Originally posted by littlebunny

Originally posted by Lilitu

Paranoid with delusions of grandeur. May I suggest you see a psychiatrist? I'm not saying that to insult you as your condition is manageable but if you truly feel the need to work towards something then work on yourself.

WoW! How original… Attack the messenger.

You're not the "messenger", you're the instigator! (hint)
And she's given you sound advice.

Originally posted by littlebunny

...We The People are going to End that unholy alliance between Socialism and Fascism...

Seeing as you want to be the Big Kahuna of the next political system, it might be advisable for you to actually learn the definitions of the above two political ideologies, before you become our formal dictator.

Originally posted by littlebunny
...that is ruining this country, stealing our future and attempting to completely destroy our Constitution.

Now let me get this straight - you're inciting the masses to commit, what is the ultimate violation against a sovereign nation, by overthrowing the current - democratically-elected government - and they're the ones committing treason???

I suppose if you repeat this delusional codswallop enough, there will be some poor, thought-challenged, sods, who'll swallow it.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by mckyle]

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 02:54 PM
reply to post by Lilitu

You are a sick person go back and drink your kool-aide and suck your candy cane you dont deserve help when # hits the fan you will be alone when you cry out for help!

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 02:55 PM

I'd repeat it all but my throat is somehow hoarse from typing. Ever get that?

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 03:09 PM
Just a couple of questions about this
advanced form of government.

Is a belief in God(s) mandatory. What
would my punishment be for heresy?
What if I give credit for my freedom
to the people who deserve it. I just
cannot stand it when other people insist
that God is the "concept" behind the
foundation of my liberties.

What about companies who move their
operations overseas for cheaper employees.
Granted, they make a profit but at what

As far as criminal laws I can agree
somewhat, just not tough enough.

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 04:06 PM
Im all for it and as an American i know it will come eventually. As soon as SHTF you will see me. My name is John McKinney. The history books will know my name before I fall. For the preservation of freedom I will fight. But until things get going I can only sit back and wait. I know i'm watched by the american government. this isn't the only place I have posted my intentions. Martial law will only be the cause for the chaos that is to come. Martial law is a nice way for the government to declare war on the people without calling it war.

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Polynomial C
Hahaha, no thank you ..

I would rather live under the current Government than live under YOUR government run by patriotic-constitution-founding-father loving terrorists ..

I just hope this Constitutional Army never happens and i also hope your kind of people NEVER run the Government ..

I agree...

While this is my opinion, I feel that many users here on ATS who bash our government would be doing the very same thing in their shoes.

A TRUE leader will show them self. Not this motivational BS that reminds me of another Obama.

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 04:34 PM
My greatest fear is the extreme left being able to foment drastic changes to the Constitution while they are the majority.. and I don't just mean on capitol hill, but in each state and local government. It has been suggest by some of those in D.C. that we have a new convention. Obama has alluded to that himself.

I think that is worth being concerned about.

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 05:03 PM
This may in fact be the most "dangerous" thread I've ever seen on this site. ( For Good or Ill ). I'm sure the list writers are busy with this bunch. I'm seriously uneasy reading a lot of this. First of all, we have some people here who are willing to step up and "take over" for us, so that we can finally be given the Masters we deserve, because they know how to run our society better than the Masters we already have? This concept is easy to buy into...IF you're one of the top dogs of the plan. Think about that. What about, NO government of ANY kind, including you and your friends? Is our government and business infrastructure corrupt and biased towards the rich and powerful? You bet. Should Americans be motivated to get up off their potato chip munching, sports- hypnotized behinds...put down their bongs and internet porn long enough to get out of their houses and actually engage the world and create some positive changes in our society? Yes. Will it ever happen? No. Why? Because people are comfortable, fat and lazy. The average Joe wants consistency and predictability. He wants to know that Brand X Beer is going to continue to be available at the corner convenience store. Their souls have already been bought and sold, over and over, through comfort and consumerism. You can present a concept. You can fight for an ideal. Can you reverse generations of hard core cultural indoctrination? Bet ya can't. Freedom and personal responsibilty is hard work. You actually have to be engaged, and you actually have to do something, AND, take responsiblity for your actions. Keep me posted and let me know how all this works out for ya. If these guys actually do become the Boss of Us, will somebody give me a heads up? Maybe some of us don't need a Big Brother anymore. Even if it's YOU.

[edit on 27-12-2009 by moonzoo7]

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 05:21 PM
There will be no return to the way it was, ever!
That window is closed and it has been closed for decades.
The political surgery needed to "cure the patient" will kill the patient.
The talk of saving the country is short and shallow.
The country is gone, the privately owned corporate empire slid into the sheets while it was spinning drunk and now its time to have a good good look at what screwed you royal.
This problem, is global in scale. Those running the real show have no loyalty to nations, theyre international go where ever they want parasitic destroyers with agendas that have the entire population other than their family members labeled as lint on their sweaters.
The removal would involve precise co-ordinated extractions and eliminations of literally thousands of them within minutes if not seconds.
Even in the best case scenario of overthrowing just one super government the remaining "individuals in power" would rally and attack and eliminate that newly freed nation.
There will be no easy rebirth of man as a species that co-operates and does only good until the ashes cool, and then once again the history and memory will be erased or ignored, and the cycle will repeat itself.
It needs to be viewed and understood from "their" perspective not ours.
I'm not being a negative nancy, and I invite the plan that proves what I be wrong.

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 05:39 PM
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

---hey cannuck--ever try to buy a hand-gun in canada?????why not ---are you not respected enough by your gov to let you own 1 ????giving up protection of ones self with a personal hand gun is crazy==

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 05:47 PM

Originally posted by itsawild1
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

---hey cannuck--ever try to buy a hand-gun in canada?????why not ---are you not respected enough by your gov to let you own 1 ????giving up protection of ones self with a personal hand gun is crazy==

Compare the annual murder rates between, say Detroit...and Toronto.

Only time I've seen a handgun (in Canada) outside of law enforcement was on the range last weekend. We just don't seem to want to kill each other as much as you do.

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 06:21 PM
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

--no offence cannuc--but it was taken from you by a government that wants control-----i know a lot of hunters in n-wis that were sure teedoff when the border restrictions on guns became -----to think i have to regester or use a guids gun---and your boarder crossings--so unsecure--sometimes i dont know if i am in minnesota or canada---[i love it]--really though canada is kool--except the tar sands thing--or the government having indians mining uranium with no protection--i could go on but ya see my point----problems everywhere-----maybe i will see ya in quitico some time ya logger looking cannuck----wife says ya look just like us wisconsin outdoorsman

posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 06:26 PM

Originally posted by itsawild1
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

--no offence cannuc--but it was taken from you by a government that wants control-----

Actually, we were settled differently. In the States, settlers went west and the law caught up. Here the North West Mounted Police went out first and the settlers followed. Your country was born in revolution, ours by conquest.

maybe i will see ya in quitico some time ya logger looking cannuck----wife says ya look just like us wisconsin outdoorsman

I'm almost ashamed to admit, then, that my avatar is a The Lumberjack Song

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