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Our Republic Is Broken, A Constitutional Army Requested

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posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by littlebunny

Wow, what is with all the personal attacks from you people... Are you really that low of character that you only feel comfortable when trying to tear other people down?


No, not at all...but I would still caution those whose indignation with the status quo overtakes their common sense...before you hop on that bandwagon, see who's got the reins.


Oh, and I really love that line, "Can't sleep unless I make 1 liberal angry.” It cracks me up every time I see it! Especially since Gather is one of the more liberal/socialist places on the web. I will walk right into the lions den and tell it how I see it or feel it, I fear not!
OOOHHH



So do I...guess we can both sleep well tonight.




posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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Charles Marcello, you are full of "bull dog" spirit, but very little brains. You really do need to stop all this before you do something really stupid and get yourself or your family in serious trouble.

You are behaving like a pesky little fly that keeps buzzing around the room, thinking that you are really getting somewhere because you can land, rub your hairy arms together, and take off again, buzzing all around, feeling the power in your little black body. But, if you keep buzzing like that, making a nuisance of yourself, eventually, some annoyed "big guy" is gonna get up from his chair, grab the fly swatter, and smack your butt flatter than a pancake with the simple flip of his wrist. Then, your body will be wiped up with some toilet paper, and flushed down the toilet as the formerly-annoyed "big guy" goes back to enjoying his TV program.

Nobody is telling you to be afraid... we are telling you to be WISE, and to realize that winning a battle requires FAR MORE than bravery or brawn, ESPECIALLY, I repeat "ESPECIALLY" when the enemy is FAR superior!

All I can say is this: don't ever, ever, ever say that you were not not warned, and when you are sitting in your cell awaiting execution, or lying on the ground in a pool of your blood, don't wonder "why did this happen this way." It happened that way because you ignored wisdom, and instead opted to follow the stupid folly of irrational and misplaced emotion.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 07:42 PM
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Hello ATS. I have been lurking for about a year here now; and when I read this thread, I finally had to say something. I finally understand the words, "fear-mongering". You people have been beating it into my head for long enough.

Yes; conspiracies occur that need to be dealt with; like senators using tax payer money to go off on their all expense paid flings. But what do these things have to do with some genocidal intent upon the American people, and the world for that matter?

Do you see anything that proves your misgivings about the leadership? No.. Nothing on the scale that people consistently insist is occurring over and over again while never coming up with a shred of real evidence!

If there was, REAL evidence then those who you are wishing to influence here would have allready bit; hook line and sinker.

They're not biting because they can see that there is no conspiracy! If there was, people of influence would be lining up behind your, GREAT LEADERSHIP.


I aint trying to be cruel. It's just that if all these crimes and conspiracies were occurring in the first place, I would have been one of the first to volunteer for your, "army".. But lets not kid ourselves with these delusions of grander.

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posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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The watchers power is limited,the reason being...
Greater is He who is in me than he who is in this world!



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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little bunny

It’s me again. I attacked your integrity to prove a point. I do not believe you plagiarized what you posted. I also brought up the point up IP address. You understand it is very simple to track an IP to a person. Of course they will look at my IP. And they will look at yours. If they thought you were a threat, you wouldn't be posting here anymore. You do understand that right? Freedom of Speech works until you start talking about overthrowing the government. I responded to your post because I think you may be a good person who is misguided. People say things in anger without thinking them through. You got angry at my post and responded rather quickly. Why out of all the post did you choose mine to respond to? I understood your temperament and how to get a rise out of you. I have a professional life and a family that I cherish deeply. That is why I don't put my name up here. Sure, we have ip addresses. Generally I like the UFO stuff on here. Ever now and then someone post a border treasonous post. If you truly mean what you say, fine. But many have tried to help you see reason. Unfortunately you seem to confuse warnings as threats. The government is not going to warn you. Can you not see that people generally care about someone they have never met? The Founders of this nation were wise men. I'm going to step out of the line of fire now. I wish you a save journey, I hope that I never see your anger again. It leads to rash decisions.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by downisreallyup
Charles Marcello, you are full of "bull dog" spirit, but very little brains. You really do need to stop all this before you do something really stupid and get yourself or your family in serious trouble.

You are behaving like a pesky little fly that keeps buzzing around the room,



You have the nerve to come into MY thread and say I'm behaving like a little fly that keeps buzzing around, IN A THREAD I CREATED, boy you really are that obtuse, how freaken laughable you are. I have purposely ignored your posts until now because I find you to be extremely inept and horrifically offensive... But I couldn’t help but point out your completely irrational stupidity!


Have A Nice Day.


--Charles Marcello



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by RealAuthority
little bunny

It’s me again. I attacked your integrity to prove a point. I do not believe you plagiarized what you posted. I also brought up the point up IP address. You understand it is very simple to track an IP to a person. Of course they will look at my IP. And they will look at yours. If they thought you were a threat, you wouldn't be posting here anymore. You do understand that right? Freedom of Speech works until you start talking about overthrowing the government. I responded to your post because I think you may be a good person who is misguided. People say things in anger without thinking them through. You got angry at my post and responded rather quickly. Why out of all the post did you choose mine to respond to? I understood your temperament and how to get a rise out of you. I have a professional life and a family that I cherish deeply. That is why I don't put my name up here. Sure, we have ip addresses. Generally I like the UFO stuff on here. Ever now and then someone post a border treasonous post. If you truly mean what you say, fine. But many have tried to help you see reason. Unfortunately you seem to confuse warnings as threats. The government is not going to warn you. Can you not see that people generally care about someone they have never met? The Founders of this nation were wise men. I'm going to step out of the line of fire now. I wish you a save journey, I hope that I never see your anger again. It leads to rash decisions.


Your tactic was effective at showing exactly why any attempt at organizing anything effective is doomed to failure. In general, people don't work well together because everyone wants to be in charge... everyone wants to be the famous unforgotten hero.

The reason that real armies work is because there is that little phrase "well regulated," which essentially means that all those who are wanting to defend freedom need to give up their own freedom for the larger cause, and they have to give it up to "great generals," who are people that have proven they are extraordinary in every way.

The OPs quick-temper and ease at which he gets offended only proves what was so obvious from the beginning, and that is that he is not "general" material... nothing personal about that either, since 99% of us are not "general" material either.

The great leaders of the past became that way by initially winning the hearts and loyalty of their followers, and those followers were willing to give up their liberty and individuality in order to secure the higher cause articulated by the leader they were willing to follow.

The American colonists had Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, and Adams, and it was the genius of those men that inspired the kind of loyalty it took. This kind of thing just can't happen today because there is a vast majority of the people who would never support any kind of anti-government movement. And, neither would I, since I do not see any "patriot" that I would be willing to follow... nobody I would see as more worthy to lead. I do not see any man that has the required temperament, intelligence, and character.

Show me a truly honest and virtuous man, who is also a man with virtually unlimited power, and I will show you a figment of your imagination. Sure, you can show me a poor honest man, and plenty of rich/powerful corrupt men, but where are the rich/powerful/intelligent/wise/articulate men that are truly honest and seeking the benefit of ALL the people? Where is such a man that knows how to negotiate the waters of politics, sparring with the highest of the elite, while still keeping his own soul pure?

This entire system needs overhauling, every last bit of it, from the economic system to the political system to every aspect of societal organization. Both capitalism and socialism have fundamental flaws that eventually lead to their own demise, and yet there doesn't seem to be any viable alternative, except perhaps a carefully crafted amalgamation of the two... but that will take true genius to not only craft such a thing, but also to sell it to the world... likely an impossibility without the imposition of some superior outside force. Sure, people like Clinton and Obama hold to a "Third Way" which they believe is just such an amalgamation, but after careful review I have concluded that they too have missed the mark.

[edit on 28-12-2009 by downisreallyup]



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by littlebunny

Charles Marcello, you are full of "bull dog" spirit, but very little brains. You really do need to stop all this before you do something really stupid and get yourself or your family in serious trouble.

You are behaving like a pesky little fly that keeps buzzing around the room,





But I couldn’t help but point out your completely irrational stupidity!


Have A Nice Day.


--Charles Marcello


Assuming your point was even slightly valid, look at yourselves! What power do you have?! You can't even organize a bake sale; much less an effective revolution!
I mean seriously; you have to have controll over you.

You wouldn't even know how to eat; you would maybe try to go off into little tribes into the wilderness and die. The rest would simply submit to the assumed threats that you expound upon..

I mean seriously; what are you trying to assemble? What are your, "galent insights" even as a group? The bottom line is you'll probly be paying more tomorrow for a loaf of bread because of your own lack of participating in your governments assembly responsibly.

That's the action you need to take; it's called voting responsibly by doing your own investigation into the political stances of the individuals involved. People keep voting without doing their own research.

So just the same way you'll never vote right, you'll never even be able to think about the much more intense choice of assembling an effective force to dismantle an entire government! Sheesh!


D

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posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by RealAuthority
little bunny

It’s me again. I attacked your integrity to prove a point. I do not believe you plagiarized what you posted.



You attack my integrity, and then admit you lied when you said I plagiarized my idea, and then attack me personally and now you have the nerve, the audacity to ask later on in your amazingly repugnant statement, why I chose your posts. When by your own admissions I have just pointed out… it should be painfully obvious to everyone… I chose your post because that was the first time I notice you post in this thread, but more importantly, I found your post to be completely ridiculous. And when I see something said that is so far from the truth that it equals a complete LIE, I never let that go unchallenged. Quick to anger, no... Quick to point out stupidity and lies, YES!




I also brought up the point up IP address. You understand it is very simple to track an IP to a person. Of course they will look at my IP. And they will look at yours. If they thought you were a threat, you wouldn't be posting here anymore. You do understand that right?



You didn't bring up anything new, the only thing you brought up was something that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, and truthfully has no business here what so ever, except to cause fear or intimidation. Well I assure you I didn't make the decision to post my letter/speech lightly. I thought about it for several days, even prayed about it. So be careful when you assume I didn't do this with 100 percent clarity. BTW you sure as hell didn't tell me anything I didn't already know... And you're not the only person I've run across on the Internet who hides behind some BS that you're a professional whatever. I mean like you're the only one! Not to mention you are breaking the TOS with your dual accounts, yet claim I could be prevented from posting here... Even though this thread has received 2 applause.

Just in case that is not what you meant, below is another point. (I know it wasn't, I just wanted to let you know I got those applause.
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Not to mention freedom of speech, as far as I am concerned, means you are going to hear or read things you don't like... That's what equals real freedom... And there are things that will be said that the government won't like. If they feel threatened by what I wrote, then they can come arrest me, but unless they are going to destroy the Constitution even further, I will have my day in court, instead of some BS nonsense about how I should fear that the government might silence me. Which if they do, that will guaran-damn-tee what I wrote will reach tens, maybe even hundreds of millions of people around the world. Do you really think that thought didn't cross my mind before I started this thread... (Why do you think I prayed about it, because someone like you might respond? Not hardly!)




Freedom of Speech works until you start talking about overthrowing the government. I responded to your post because I think you may be a good person who is misguided. People say things in anger without thinking them through. You got angry at my post and responded rather quickly. Why out of all the post did you choose mine to respond to? I understood your temperament and how to get a rise out of you.


I answered that already but I think it should be reposted right here. I chose your post because that was the first time I notice you post in this thread, and I found your post to be completely ridiculous. And when I see something said that is so far from the truth that it equals a complete LIE, I never let that go unchallenged. Quick to anger, no. Quick to point out stupidity and lies, YES! And no you don't understand me at all. You obviously believe you have some greater insight into how the world works. While I continue to sit in awe of how ridiculous all those statements are. I know the tactic and it aint gonna work on me. People like you are afraid of people like me, and I know it. My speech scares you and socialist/government crooks across this country because if people learn they are the true power, they will wake up even more people and all the abuses of government will END. I can't do anything on my own, I understand that COMPLETELY. However, If I can help awake tens of millions of Americans, then all the Freedoms that have been taken away will be given back to the People. And all the money stolen from the Citizens will be given back. That is what socialist and government crooks are trying to prevent, with their scare tactics… let alone their and your feeble attempts to cause me to fear the boggy man, which cannot, nor will it ever work one me!



I have a professional life and a family that I cherish deeply. That is why I don't put my name up here.


That is pure nonsense. You don't put your name on the Internet because that allows you to say whatever you want without the fear of someone you personally know calling you out on it! You think you're the only one in the world with your name, or the only person in your city? You truly think you're the first person to try that excuse, or that anyone believes that is true? People hide behind usernames because its safe, I don't because I own up to everything I say.



Sure, we have ip addresses. Generally I like the UFO stuff on here. Ever now and then someone post a border treasonous post. If you truly mean what you say, fine. But many have tried to help you see reason. Unfortunately you seem to confuse warnings as threats. The government is not going to warn you. Can you not see that people generally care about someone they have never met? The Founders of this nation were wise men. I'm going to step out of the line of fire now. I wish you a save journey, I hope that I never see your anger again. It leads to rash decisions.



No people have tried to make me see the world the way they do. While some have posted because they fear what I wrote will come to pass. And still others fear what I wrote might actually inspire people to think of how to create REAL CHANGE, and how to get all our freedoms back. That is how I see it anyways.

Also... my wife said to me yesterday. "You know, people don't know when you’re being serious or not?" And I said, "It aint important whether they know or not, its only important that I know."


--Charles Marcello

[edit on 28-12-2009 by littlebunny]



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 10:17 PM
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through out my adult life i have heard the call for revolution, and throughout my adolescant life the call of rebellion. and in between the call for service to my counrty. our elected oficals take an oath just like our military does to protect our country...
and the people who are in it that we love, and their freedoms and rights as humans.

Our leaders who also believe that the republic is broken should be leading the fight, and calling on their constituants help. They should be the ones who are organizing and planning for their country men. Mailing infromation to those they represent, and spreading thier word, and we as the people needs to take action with them in this reformation of what our republic is.

the federal government should not out power the state government which is property of "we the people". we have to be active stock holders in the USA. these United States...

if you can accomplish the unification of ATS, i think we are on our way... we have enough willfull Human Resources to make a few things happen.

at least i hope we do...?



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by littlebunny

Originally posted by downisreallyup
Charles Marcello, you are full of "bull dog" spirit, but very little brains. You really do need to stop all this before you do something really stupid and get yourself or your family in serious trouble.

You are behaving like a pesky little fly that keeps buzzing around the room,



You have the nerve to come into MY thread and say I'm behaving like a little fly that keeps buzzing around, IN A THREAD I CREATED, boy you really are that obtuse, how freaken laughable you are. I have purposely ignored your posts until now because I find you to be extremely inept and horrifically offensive... But I couldn’t help but point out your completely irrational stupidity!


Have A Nice Day.


--Charles Marcello


I knew you were going to misunderstand my analogy. I did not mean you are a fly buzzing around in this thread, I meant that TO the government you are like a fly buzzing around, and they are the "big guy" with the fly swatter. And, by the way, you don't OWN a thread. You are merely the "Original Poster", but then it is public discussion. The only ones who get to say what goes and doesn't go here are the moderators.

In every one of my posts I have attempted to give you valid reasons why your plan is ill-fated and unwise. Why did you present it here anyhow? Just to hear praises for it? Were you just looking for kudos and praises? Well, that is not what public debate is for. In reality, if you were of the right heart, you would be thankful for my challenges, and for my caring about you and your family. If you are ever going to lead, you need to abandon that pride of yours, and see what is really behind the heart of men.

If you notice in my posts, I never said there wasn't a problem to be fixed. That should tell you something about me... I am more open-minded than most people. I actually ACTED upon my beliefs of all this shortly after 9/11, WAY before others did. I got myself situated into a place where I could watch, wait, and write... for the pen is indeed mightier than the sword, since the very first battle you must win is the battle for the hearts of men.

All I ever said here was solid, wise, arguments for taking a different approach than what you were proposing. I read you entire thread multiple times, and came to the same conclusion each time. It will not work for many reasons.... not because you are not brave, for you at least appear to be, though who knows what you will do the first time you suffer any bodily harm. But that aside, I have worked in logistics before, and have also been involved in leadership training, and I can tell you that this whole idea of yours is missing some KEY and CRITICAL ingredients, and for that reason, it will not work.

A humble person would a) ask for those reasons, b) discuss the merits of the opposing arguments, and c) value the insightful input of others. But you only applaud those who praise your preconceived ideas, and that is dangerous to do... many a would-be leaders have been destroyed by looking for "yes men" who will only tell them what they want to here.

Think what you will of me. I have not been dishonorable to you, but have given of my mind and typing fingers to try and reason with you in a logical and amicable manner. I only wish you had done the same.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by nvprose1
through out my adult life i have heard the call for revolution, and throughout my adolescant life the call of rebellion. and in between the call for service to my counrty. our elected oficals take an oath just like our military does to protect our country...
and the people who are in it that we love, and their freedoms and rights as humans.

Our leaders who also believe that the republic is broken should be leading the fight, and calling on their constituants help. They should be the ones who are organizing and planning for their country men. Mailing infromation to those they represent, and spreading thier word, and we as the people needs to take action with them in this reformation of what our republic is.

the federal government should not out power the state government which is property of "we the people". we have to be active stock holders in the USA. these United States...

if you can accomplish the unification of ATS, i think we are on our way... we have enough willfull Human Resources to make a few things happen.

at least i hope we do...?


Nobody can unify ATS or any other fairly large group if they are only interested in promoting their own ideas. People are way too politically aware for that to work any more. The only thing that will unite such a group is nothing less than a brilliantly conceived and well thought out plan, backed by all the necessary resources, fueled by an existing ground-swell of proven public support, and led by a truly dynamic and wise leader, at least as good as George Washington was.

Show me that, and I might consider it.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 11:24 PM
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I'm gunna to jump in here and point out the obvious. I think realauthority or whatever is not attacking you. He was making a point. Another person summed it up pretty well. The hot temper you have. You may not be angry but it sure seems it. Kinda comes off that way. People sometimes sound different in person. I think what people are looking for in a leader is benevolence, not anger. The last thing we need is someone with an angry Napoleon complex. If you are on the national scene, people are going to dig everything up on you. They are even going to make stuff up to bring you down. That is the way things are done now. Its just to easy to paint someone as a loon. I honestly think you will do more harm than good giving a public speech. Please don’t waist your time on me with the hiding behind the internet digs. Not everyone is convinced that what you are proposing is needed. How do you plan on taking on tanks and jets and helicopters? How will you supply an army. You do realize that you will be fighting an army. Pride comes before the fall. Not to mention an Army that has been in combat for years now. What about their families? It’s not like the old days when people were self sufficient. Who are you going to attack? What is you justification for killing? See what I’m getting at? People are trying to talk sense into you because they think you’re crazy. Its that simple man. Your responses show you are not taking it down a notch and carrying on conversations. That’s why most people will just stop talking to you and watch. I watched you get angry at someone because they said you lied. They lied and then you made a big deal out of it. They lied to make a point. Integrity is honestly not worth much without a face. That just the way it is. People make up fantastic stories all the time on this site. My personal opinion is that you have some sort of mental disorder. Please don’t take it as an insult, I don’t mean it that way. I’m no expert. But judging from your interactions with people, something is wrong. You’re not telling something? Perhaps that is why I’m interested. Your name is up for all to see. It is as if you are inviting the big gov to do something to validate your beliefs or to spark something. What people are trying to tell you is that’s not the way it will happen.



posted on Dec, 28 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by sōmatikós
I'm gunna to jump in here and point out the obvious. I think realauthority or whatever is not attacking you. He was making a point. Another person summed it up pretty well. The hot temper you have. You may not be angry but it sure seems it. Kinda comes off that way. People sometimes sound different in person. I think what people are looking for in a leader is benevolence, not anger. The last thing we need is someone with an angry Napoleon complex. If you are on the national scene, people are going to dig everything up on you. They are even going to make stuff up to bring you down. That is the way things are done now. Its just to easy to paint someone as a loon. I honestly think you will do more harm than good giving a public speech. Please don’t waist your time on me with the hiding behind the internet digs. Not everyone is convinced that what you are proposing is needed. How do you plan on taking on tanks and jets and helicopters? How will you supply an army. You do realize that you will be fighting an army. Pride comes before the fall. Not to mention an Army that has been in combat for years now. What about their families? It’s not like the old days when people were self sufficient. Who are you going to attack? What is you justification for killing? See what I’m getting at? People are trying to talk sense into you because they think you’re crazy. Its that simple man. Your responses show you are not taking it down a notch and carrying on conversations. That’s why most people will just stop talking to you and watch. I watched you get angry at someone because they said you lied. They lied and then you made a big deal out of it. They lied to make a point. Integrity is honestly not worth much without a face. That just the way it is. People make up fantastic stories all the time on this site. My personal opinion is that you have some sort of mental disorder. Please don’t take it as an insult, I don’t mean it that way. I’m no expert. But judging from your interactions with people, something is wrong. You’re not telling something? Perhaps that is why I’m interested. Your name is up for all to see. It is as if you are inviting the big gov to do something to validate your beliefs or to spark something. What people are trying to tell you is that’s not the way it will happen.


Well said!



posted on Dec, 29 2009 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by sōmatikós
Not everyone is convinced that what you are proposing is needed. How do you plan on taking on tanks and jets and helicopters? How will you supply an army. You do realize that you will be fighting an army. Pride comes before the fall. Not to mention an Army that has been in combat for years now. What about their families? It’s not like the old days when people were self sufficient. Who are you going to attack? What is you justification for killing? See what I’m getting at? People are trying to talk sense into you because they think you’re crazy.



It is responses like yours that keep it, how did you say that again, up a notch. You have not read my opening thread or what I have written within this thread, that is, back when I was actually talking about my speech and what it meant, instead of defending myself against all these personal attacks. You people keep interjecting your own fears, your own crazy ass ideas as to what you think I meant. I can't help that, nor can I help what people think of me. As far as digging up dirt, if I ever reach a public stage, no need worry about that nonsense, I'm already ready to put all that on the table first thing. My 'enemies' are going to hate me regardless, so I won't be doing that for them.


Now let me ask you a question, if you think what I wrote is so outlandish... What is your answer for getting our freedoms back? Why don’t you people stop attacking me personally and start attacking the message, let’s debate that. I know that request is way outside the normal standard operating procedure of socialist and their minions tactics, but I must try at least one more time


Besides, what makes you people think this would be the first speech, instead of the third or fifth? I've only said this is a letter/speech that I want to say in a public forum someday, or watch with pride as someone else gives it… I never said it was the only one. I'm actually considering posting another one here on ATS... Hell, if some of you think this letter/speech is driving socialist nuts, wait until I post the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, etc etc. All of my speeches are absolutely meant to appeal to peoples emotions and their patriotic/civic duty, like all speeches are meant to do… plus… my absolute disdain towards socialism, and, its unholy alliance with fascism.


Now, why don't you people stop attacking me personally and start attacking the speech. Why do you people continue to attack the messenger. I mean, it should be obvious, the only people I am offending are those of you who would hate my message regardless of what I wrote... I realize some of you will pretend that is not true, so why bother... I mean you will say hateful things regardless, unless I said, I didn't mean it, which would be a lie… or… unless I say I want to have President Obama's baby. So how you feel about me means absolutely nothing, nothing! And don't attack me and then say you don't want to receive the same in return, that nonsense won't ever fly around me, ever... How's that for taking it up a notch.


--Charles Marcello


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posted on Dec, 29 2009 @ 01:07 AM
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Your heart is in the right place, but the real battle is in the hearts and minds of the people. Unfortunately, people are weak. Offer them someone else's money and they will take it. This is how Socialists and Communists have made it so far. They capitalize and greed, fear and hate. They convince man to hate the rich, fear the unknown, and demand property which they didn't earn.

Back in the early 1900s the idea that the federal government could levy a tax on people's income was unbelievable. It took a Constitutional amendment to make such a thing possible. Today .. Americans are just thankful to not be paying what the Canucks and Europeans are .. "Move slowly and no one will pay you notice"

More and more people will fall into the entitlement trap. They will become dependent upon subsidies. The government owns these people - they are modern day slaves. The people who produce for them are slaves as well. Able-bodied men and women in the entitlement class who force able-bodied men and women in the producing class to put food on their table and a car in their garage.

Freedom and freebies do not go hand-in-hand. Your preaching freedom will derail the gravy train people have become dependent upon. Check your six, my brother!



posted on Dec, 29 2009 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by Guidance.Is.Internal
Your heart is in the right place, ...

More and more people will fall into the entitlement trap. They will become dependent upon subsidies. The government owns these people - they are modern day slaves. The people who produce for them are slaves as well. Able-bodied men and women in the entitlement class who force able-bodied men and women in the producing class to put food on their table and a car in their garage.

Freedom and freebies do not go hand-in-hand. Your preaching freedom will derail the gravy train people have become dependent upon. Check your six, my brother!



You are exactly right, and that is what we must change. We must start to re-teach people to be personally responsible again, we must or this nation is doomed to slavery forever. We must teach people socialism is pure evil, and that they have been poisoning our people with that evil sickness for far to long. Its time to awaken the sleeping middle class... I believe I can help do that. And from the responses from the socialists here, I believe they know that is true as well, and that's why they keep attacking me. (nudge!)


And worry not my brother, I got my six... I aint nobody's victim unless I purposely plan to become one for total political gain.



as an aside: If this was a socialist thread… if there was even one attack of the kind we have seen in this thread against me by the socialists here, every one of those people would have filed a complaint by now. But I believe in total free speech so I refuse to file any complaint, because if I can’t handle a thousand socialists I need to just give it up… Of course, knowing that’s how they play is key… and that is how We The People are going to defeat them in the not so distant future.

--Charles Marcello


[edit on 29-12-2009 by littlebunny]



posted on Dec, 29 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by littlebunny
You are exactly right, and that is what we must change. We must start to re-teach people to be personally responsible again, we must or this nation is doomed to slavery forever. We must teach people socialism is pure evil, and that they have been poisoning our people with that evil sickness for far to long. Its time to awaken the sleeping middle class... I believe I can help do that. And from the responses from the socialists here, I believe they know that is true as well, and that's why they keep attacking me. (nudge!)


You nailed it right there: Socialism is poison. It is evil. It advocates violating innocent people's freedom to serve someone's moral inclinations. A socialist taking a man's money to pay another man's medical bills is no different than a Christian forcing people to abide by Biblical rules. Worse, it makes people reliant upon the government for subsistence.

Enough philosophy though. One good first step is to demand term limits on all elected officials. Judges, district attorneys, state and federal legislators, etc. One or two short terms and you're outta there.

Also, wouldn't it be great if the US gave extreme latitude to a few states .. like Wyoming, for instance. These states could be test beds for political and economic systems. For instance, why not let Wyoming be a protectorate for 5 years? Wyoming taxpayers pay into a national defense fund, and nothing more. Businesses, individuals, etc. free to engage in commerce as they please. What's the harm in that?



posted on Dec, 29 2009 @ 01:45 AM
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Okay, Chuck, I will take on your message that you said people didn't read. We all read it, and found it wanting. But, if you will stick to a debate of the points you've made, I will be glad to deal with them one-by-one. Let's start with the first paragraph of substance:




I believe it is time… We must show the government We The People can take no more. I believe a Constitutional Army is in order. I believe a peaceful take over of our local governments is in order.


Here you say you want a peaceful take over of local government, and yet in all the following sentences, you fully show that your purpose is not a peaceful take over, but rather a feigned peaceful baiting, leading to a fully armed conflict. Peaceful take overs require much patience, employing the mechanisms of peace, and only after a protracted peaceful effort can any hope of winning be realized.



I am asking every Constitutional Loving American to stand up, be counted, find the courage our founding fathers have passed down through the generations for this very moment. I am also asking that each of us become an unarmed army, but only, until they use force against us.


So, you want people to stand up and what? March as an unarmed army where, and to say what, and to whom? It is evident that you want people to do this with the full expectation that "they will use force against us," because you use the word UNTIL not IF. You have no doubts that they will attack physically, none whatsoever.

Moreover, this is not a prescription for peaceful take over, this is a prescription for provocation to battle. I can say I want a peaceful discussion with someone, but if I stand outside his house and demand that he come to listen to me or else, then I am only baiting the guy to attack me. Watch the movie "Pacific Heights" for a great example of this.



And they will… They will not relinquish, they will ask others to kill in their name…


See, here is the point I am making. Your so-called "peaceful take over" is a sham, and not based on truth and honesty. That is why it will fail. You should structure things so as to guarantee they DON'T use force. Use the mechanisms in place first and use them with great skill. This would be something that is noteworthy.



So I am asking every American who loves this country to become an unarmed victim, but only once.


So, here once again, you are asking people to volunteer as bait. You are wanting to entice the enemy to attack, and you need fresh meat to bait them. Why don't you watch the video series on "The New American Century" where you will see that this is exactly the tactics used by the Neocons. It's an excellent video series!

The New American Century

You really think you can outsmart the masters of baiting and manipulating? These guys have decades of practice.



After they have fired upon us, or after they have physically beaten us, after they have savagely attacked us… when you see your fellow unarmed Americans lying in their own blood, you will know what to do.


This "you will know what to do" is a phrase that has only one possible meaning, given the context of the sentence. If you intended to tell people to continue bringing wave after wave of martyrs, then you may have a way of garnering massive world support, and I would see some merit in your plan. But that is not what you are indicating here in your repeated attempt to stir emotions and to get people to forget the "peaceful unarmed approach." Like the Neocons that wanted war with Iraq all along, you will have the very thing you wanted all along, and that is anything but a "peaceful" take over.



When you see your fellow unarmed Americans crying in pain because our government believes they must teach us a lesson we will never forget… and we won’t forget, you will know what to do.


Once again, rhetoric designed to elicit emotion, not rational wise thinking.



When you see your fellow unarmed Americans lying dead in the streets riddled with bullets, you will know what to do.


More rhetoric that is sounding more and more like propaganda.



When you see our broken government condemn our fellow unarmed American brothers and sisters for forcing them to beat and kill the true owners of our destiny… when you refuse to accept abuse… you will know what to do.


More dangerous talk of attempting to incite insurrection.

Nobody is fooled by these same types of speeches, whose real purpose is to cause armed conflict. This is very different than what Ghandi spoke, and it is anything but peaceful. You see, people like me are not fooled by simplistic analysis of words. We can read the intended meaning, and see past the manipulated claims of "Oh, but you didn't read my post." This first paragraph tells it all, and all the stuff you talk about after this leading paragraph pales by comparison at revealing your true motivating intentions.



posted on Dec, 29 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by Guidance.Is.Internal

Originally posted by littlebunny
You are exactly right, and that is what we must change. We must start to re-teach people to be personally responsible again, we must or this nation is doomed to slavery forever. We must teach people socialism is pure evil, and that they have been poisoning our people with that evil sickness for far to long. Its time to awaken the sleeping middle class... I believe I can help do that. And from the responses from the socialists here, I believe they know that is true as well, and that's why they keep attacking me. (nudge!)


You nailed it right there: Socialism is poison. It is evil. It advocates violating innocent people's freedom to serve someone's moral inclinations. A socialist taking a man's money to pay another man's medical bills is no different than a Christian forcing people to abide by Biblical rules. Worse, it makes people reliant upon the government for subsistence.

Enough philosophy though. One good first step is to demand term limits on all elected officials. Judges, district attorneys, state and federal legislators, etc. One or two short terms and you're outta there.

Also, wouldn't it be great if the US gave extreme latitude to a few states .. like Wyoming, for instance. These states could be test beds for political and economic systems. For instance, why not let Wyoming be a protectorate for 5 years? Wyoming taxpayers pay into a national defense fund, and nothing more. Businesses, individuals, etc. free to engage in commerce as they please. What's the harm in that?


Oh, my goodness, such naivety. Why don't you look into the dangers of capitalism also? How do you think America has become an oligarchy of powerful corporations? You don't have capitalism any more in the US, you have corporatism. Pure capitalism leads to corporatism since all the little companies can't resist the temptation to sell out to the bigger guys, until eventually there are only two huge contenders for any market sector. Then, because these corporations wield so much economic power, they can control the governments. Also, the rich corporate leaders can run for office and get into the place where they have direct control.

Also, pure capitalism breeds extreme selfishness amongst the people, and it also has no conscience whatsoever regarding the societal needs, or the needs of the weaker members of society.

Pure socialism is even worse because it destroys the heart of the people and leads to government tyranny.

So, in either case, you get government tyranny or corporate tyranny, neither of which serves the interests of the people at large, but only a small select group of elite.

Wisen up and learn from history and you would do well to avoid classic mistakes.



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