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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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There is a mathematical formula called the Drake equation. It was designed to find the probability that there is intelligent life out there beyond this planet. The formula is rather complicated because it is based on a number of factors. It concludes that there is evolved intelligent life out there in the universe besides this planet. It is currently estimated by scientists that there are approximately 50 planetoids in our Milky Way galaxy alone which have the possibility to support carbon based life forms. And this is just an estimate for carbon based life forms. It is very possible that there are other element based life forms out there. As of now, the very thought of non human life forms existing has just been a possibility or a probability. I hope to prove in this paper that there is very much empirical evidence that extraterrestrials have been visiting out planet for thousands of years.

First, let us take a look at the characteristics of the universe. According to the Big Bang theory, the universe is approximately 13.3 billion years old. The size of the Universe is calculated to be approximately 93 billion years across at the minimum. It is also theorized that the Universe may be infinitely large. That is, there is no size to it. These are all just conjecture and theory. We currently do not have the scientific instruments to measure out past 13 billion light years. The stars and suns only make up .4% of the universe. Normal matter, which is anything with mass, makes up 3.6% of the universe. This would include and planets, moons, asteroids, etc. Cold, invisible dark matter makes up 22% . This is only detectable by its gravitational effect on other objects. The remaining 74% of the universe consists of invisible dark energy.

Now that you see how large and vast the universe is, ask yourself if it is possible for life to exist on other inhabitable planets. Does it now at the very least seem more possible? Since the universe is so large and so vast, mathematically, has to exist a probability that life does exist out there. Now let us consider that others do exist out there. If they have had billions of years to evolve, then it is very likely that they have advanced some sort of interstellar propulsion system. That is, if they exist, and over enough time, we will eventually run into one another. It, mathematically, will happen after a certain amount of time. There are many credible witnesses who have had contact with such beings and their interstellar starships. Take into account the character of the witnesses, the similarity of their stories, and what possible motives they could have for even fabricating such stories. Most of the reports border on science fiction, but we must always remember--always-the credibility of the witnesses. In fact, some of them told their stories, and paid the ultimate price. They have paid with their lives, and it is worth at the very least to consider the possibilities.

There are three classifications of interaction with UFOs and their pilots. This system of classification was invented by Astronomy Professor Dr. J Allen Hynek of Northwestern University. Hynek was scientific advisor to the United States Air Force on matters relating to UFOs from 1947 to 1969. After examining and interviewing many witnesses on matters related to UFOs, Hynek concluded that there were three different categories of sightings and encounters. A close encounter of the first kind (CE1) involves a UFO in close proximity (500 feet) of the witness. A close encounter of the second kind (CE2) involves a UFO that leaves markings on the ground, injury to human or animals, or any other kinds of physical evidence. A close encounter of third kind (CE3) is either a close encounter of the first kind or second kind, along with a sighting/interaction of the pilots or occupants of the craft.

Over the years there have been many well documented cases of CE1s. Many people have seen UFOs in the sky or something that they could not rationally explain. It is very easy to discredit one witness without any sort of evidence, but what happens when many people witness an event simultaneously? These cases of mass sightings are perfect examples of where an event is automatically proven to have existed because of multiple experiences of the same event. It may very well to dismiss the claims of a single witness, but when thousands of people witness, and have video or photographic evidence, it is not so easy to deny such claims.

There are several excellent examples for CE1s, but due to length restraints of this paper, I will talk about two such events. The first event is known within the UFO community as “The Battle of Los Angeles.” On the night of February 25, 1942 a huge UFO (some claim that there were several objects) was seen floating over Culver City, California. Some reports described the object as dome shaped and around 100 feet in diameter. Other reports said that there were several crafts flying in a V formation down the coastline. This event was approximately 3 months after the attack on Pearl Harbor had occurred, so the country was on high defensive alert. Everyone thought that this was another attack from the Japanese. Because of the war situation, the military proceeded to attempt to shoot down the aircraft. They directly hit the craft(s) with 1500 round of anti aircraft missiles and shrapnel, but the craft was unaffected. The craft remained stationary while being bomber for over an hour. It then moved at a slow pace (300 mph) into Santa Monica, California. It was reported by various witnesses that the craft has some sort of shield or force field around it which would not allow any of the direct hits to penetrate into the craft itself.

The bombing was witnessed by hundreds of thousands of residents and civilians, as well as numerous government agents, including soldiers, those who shot at it, and other personnel. The object(s) then floated out over the Pacific Ocean and disappeared into the horizon. Six people ended up dying from falling shrapnel and debris and one person died of a heart attack from the traumatic stress of the event. There are several declassified documents which actually state that these were alien craft. Also, the Los Angeles Times newspaper took several photographs of the event. One can clearly see that there was a huge object in the air as it was being hit with missiles. While the Battle of Angeles might be known by residents of the area where the flyover took place, it is an event not widely known in other parts of the country or the world.

Another notable CE1 mass sighting occurred over the White House in Washington, DC on July 27, 1952 around 3:00 AM. This event was actually photographed. It is known within the UFO community as “The Washington Merry-Go-Round”. There were 12 objects which flew in a pattern directly over the White House. “Two F-94 jets from the Air Defense Command Squadron at Newcastle, Del. – capable of 600 miles an hour – were sent up at 11:25 p.m. near Andrews but could not overtake them before they disappeared. He saw another steady white light about 10 miles east of Mt. Vernon but that, too, faded before he got there. He said the lights later no more than two minutes (Washington Daily News).

Many times these crafts leave behind some sort of physical evidence. Usually this will include burn marks on the ground for where a significantly hot surface has touched the ground. It has also been reported that sometimes these craft are so hot that they will melt sand into glass. The reason why these UFOs are usually hot has been explained as a rise in temperature from radiation. While the author of this paper believe that crop circles are nothing more than a manmade hoaxes, it has been reported that UFOs are seen landing in crop fields and mysteriously leave patterns behind, or sometimes very intricate and complex hieroglyphs. It has also been reported that sometimes these crafts will drip molten clumps of metal off of them. This can only be explained as some sort of byproduct of an exotic technology. There are many cases where these UFOs leave traces of physical evidence and such evidence makes it even harder to deny that these craft are visiting planet Earth.

A good case to look at where physical evidence was left behind (CE2) occurred on the English military base RAF Bentwaters. Bentwaters is well known to house and possess nuclear weapons. There are many events which UFOs have interacted with military bases and their personnel. These are a multitude of excellent examples of close encounters to cite, because the observers are trained and professionals. It is not easy to take eyewitness testimony lightly from such individual observers. The actually interactions between the UFOs and the Bentwaters base took place in the adjacent Rendelsham Forest which is at the east most part of the military instillation. Over three nights on December 26 through 28, 1980, UFOs were seen shooting blue beams of light toward the storage of facilities of these nuclear weapons. The nuclear weapons then were affected to where they would no longer work. It is a wonder why these UFOs would even care to disable these weapons. The objects appeared on the ground on two different nights. “Potentially, there was another life form seen – this is an unpopular truth. These events were of extreme defense significance to not only Her Majesty’s government, but also this (United States) government as well and they are still shrouded in secrecy”, reported Larry Warren, who was stationed on the base at the time.

Colonel Charles Halt was at the chief officer on duty at the time. He and a team of three men decided to investigate the lights on foot. When they entered the forest they saw many lights moving in the trees. They then came upon a small clearing in the woods and clearly sighted an object “being metallic in appearance and triangular in shape, approximately two to three meters across the base and approximately three meters high. The object itself had a pulsing red light on top and a bank of blue lights underneath” (Halt). One of the soldiers saw a triangular landing gear on the craft which folded up at it took off and maneuvered through the trees to the outer edge of the forest. As it took off into the air, all the animals at a neighboring farm went crazy. About an hour later, the light was seen once again at the back gate of Bentwaters, this time at a further distance.

The following morning, three depressions were seen 1 ½” deep and 7” in diameter where they object has been seen on the ground. Later that night the area was evaluated for radiation. It was found that there were very high levels of radiation present and that the highest readings were where the object has parked its landing gears. One the second night, the light was seen once again just beyond the east gate. It appeared pulsing and started “shooting off particles and then broke into five separate white objects and then disappeared. Immediately thereafter, three star-like objects were noticed in the sky, two to the north, and one to the south, all of which were about 10 degrees off the horizon. The objects moved rapidly in sharp angular movements and displayed red, green and blue lights. The objects to the north appeared to be elliptical through an 8-12 power lens. They then turned into full circles. The objects to the north remained in the sky for an hour of more. The object to the south was visible for two or three hours and beamed down a stream of light from time to time. Numerous individuals, including the undersigned, witnessed the activities” (Halt).

As far as they were concerned, they thought that is was some sort of downed airplane in distress. What is awesome about this UFO case is that Colonel Halt carried a handheld audio recorder with him as they went out the east gate of the base and into the woods. Halt and his crew eventually see the red light again, about a quarter mile out. The light then disappears. A couple minutes later it reappears at approximately the same location, about a quarter mile away in the woods. Halt states in his live recording of the event, “All the animals have gotten quiet now” (Halt). This was right after the object reappears or lit up. What is interesting to note, is that there are many other cases of UFO sightings, where there is an eerie silence where all animals cease to make noise. It is as if they are trying to hide from the UFOs or are trying not to make themselves noticeable.

Within a couple of more minutes, the red light starts moving slowly toward the team. Halt starts to become a little more scared. “There is something very very strange” (Rendelsham). He then tells his men to turn their flashlights off. It then moved to the right and the left. At this point, the craft was now about 200-300 yards from the soldiers. Halt then decides to go further into the wood to investigate. “It looks like an eye winking at you, still moving from side to side and when you put the star scope on it, it almost burns your eyes” (Rendelsham). What Halt is saying is that when he looked through the night vision goggles, it just appears as one big white mass which blanked out his whole night vision. This could mean that the craft was very hot. The Rendelsham Forest UFO case is one of the most well known cases. It is also taken very seriously because of the credibility of the witnesses as well as the serious threat which was presented by unintended visitors over nuclear installations. The case was very well documented in real time with the tape recording of the event and also there was trace evidence left behind at the landing site.

There have been numerous reports of police officers reporting and seeing something in the sky or on the ground. One such report was made by Officer Lonnie Zamora of Socorro, New Mexico during the evening of April 24, 1964. Officer Zamora spotted a speeding car and gave chase to it. He came up to a little road and heard a large roar or blast. “He immediately turned off the road and saw a white, egg-shaped vehicle, like a car standing on end. One or two men he believed to be occupants of the vehicle were standing along side” (Kantor 75). They were described as wearing all white cover all jumpsuits. One of the occupants seemed to be startled and jumped when he saw Zamora approaching in his police car. Zamora then pulled the car down to where he thought he had spotted the overturned car. He then left his car on foot down into a deep gully which was at the bottom of the valley and the up over another small hill where he thought he had spotted the vehicle. He then heard several large thumps as if someone had slammed a car door several times while he was heading up over the small hill toward the vehicle. He took a few more steps toward the deep ravine and came upon an elongated oval shaped craft with four legs coming off the bottom. It was about the size of a small car. At this point, there was a large roar and blue flame came out of the bottom of the object. Zamora hit the ground thinking it was an explosion. Zamora then realized that the sound was coming from the craft, which did not explode. Quickly he returned to his feet and ran toward his car. He turned back around toward the craft and saw it had risen about 20 feet off the ground, but it was still in the ravine. The craft then silently traveled about the same distance off the ground and eventually disappeared into horizon of the desert. Zamora then called dispatch and frantically reported what he saw. A fellow patrolman came out to meet Zamora and they scanned the scene for any evidence. They found small footprints, four angled marks in the sand where the UFO had landed. Also several patches of burnt scorch marks on the grass and brush were found radiation samples were taken and levels were extremely high. Zamora and his fellow officer made plaster casts of where they landing gears of the UFO had been implanted in the ground.

Many times the alien occupants of these UFOs have been spotted either outside of their spaceships or seen through portholes or windows within. “There are the standard grays, but there also “Nordics”, “reptilians,” “insectoids,” and robed, or hooded, tall beings” (Jacobs 93). Reports also have stated that they appear as very angelic beings and all the way to grotesquely looking, demonic, and having a very menacing appearance. There is a wide array of reports of different types of beings. It is interesting to note, that for whatever reason, the majority of the reports describe often that the creatures appear as humanoid and mostly bipedal. That is, they walk on two legs; have two arms, a head, and an abdomen region just as the human body. Perhaps the humanoid form could be considered as a universal body type. This is just a theory or conjecture. From the multitude of different reports of actually seeing these extraterrestrials in the flesh, it appears that there could possibly being one hundred or more different races of beings which could in fact be visiting this planet under very secretive conditions.

Of course it is rather difficult to take all these cases into account as truth but nonetheless many credible witnesses have reported dealing with a tremendous variety of visitors under many different levels of interaction. The levels range from merely seeing the creatures around or in a craft, telepathic or verbal communications, all the way to abduction experiences. Former United States Army Sergeant, Clifford Stone reported at the Disclosure UFO Conference on May 9, 2001 at the National Press Club in Washington, DC that when he “got out in 1989, we had cataloged 57 different species...you have individuals which could walk upon us…you wouldn’t even notice the difference…you have three types of the Grays…the entities that we did catalog were humanoid. You would expect that life that evolved on some other planets would take on some other type of being so to speak. Not necessarily look humanoid or bipedal like we are” (Aliens). Clifford Stone is a highly decorated soldier with a top secret clearance. For him to come out and talk about such information is very dangerous for himself and his family. He realizes the risks involved for relaying the information he learned while in the military. Many former military personnel who talk of aliens end up meeting mysterious ends, as you will see later in this paper. It is worthwhile that these reports cited within this paper are merely a cross section of a vast number of reports of these alien beings.

Now we come into the details of CE3s. Now this is where the paper starts to get pretty crazy. Just bear in mind the witnesses to these events and the motives they would have to tell their stories. If these craft are visiting then someone must be intelligently guiding them. It is only a natural conclusion that eventually these pilots would show themselves. CE3s can be described as any sort of interaction between a human observer and alien entities. Of course, these stories are very difficult to fathom. It is one thing to see a light in the sky, but is a different situation entirely when one finally makes physical contact with these beings. From my research, one thing appears apparently obvious, that usually when one is involved in a CE3 experience they are usually range from a neutral to a negative experience. It seems that positive experiences with these beings are rare. Many times stories of abductions seem more often than not to be scientific research experiment conducted on unwilling human subjects. Many times the interactions are nonchalant where once the visitors are witnesses they return to their craft quickly and fly off.

Within the UFO community it is widely rumored that in 1954 President Eisenhower signed a treaty with a species of outer space visitors, the Grays from Orion. This came to be known as the Greada Treaty. In exchange for technology we would allow a certain number of citizens to be unknowingly abducted yearly by the Grays. They would remain unharmed and their memories would be erased before returning to Earth. Unfortunately, it is believed that the aliens eventually disregarded the treaty and started abducting more that the bargained amount. If this theory is true, then we truly have been sold out by our own government to the fullest extent. There have been a few government insiders and researches that have related the Greada Treaty story and verified its validity. One former government insider is William Milton Cooper. In his book, Behold A Pale Horse, Cooper states about the Greada Treaty that by “1955 it became obvious that the aliens had deceived Eisenhower and had broken the treaty…. It was suspected that the aliens were not submitting a complete list of human contacts and abductees to the Majesty Twelve and it was suspected that not all abductees had been returned” (209). It is interested to note that William Cooper was killed by police on raid on his home on November 5, 2001. Cooper was wanted for tax evasion and other charges. Many believe that his telling of these alien creatures and speaking out against the United States government led to his ultimate demise.

There are numerous reports of actions involving physical interaction with non human creatures, but the story I would like to relate is that of a man named Phil Schneider. Schneider was a geologist and structural engineer for the United States government. He was a lead engineer on constructing deep underground military bases (D.U.M.Bs) in the United States. You can find the videos of his lectures on YouTube and his name is all over the internet, so please look for yourself. Some of these bases are the size of whole cities. They exist under every state in the union, and not only in this country, but also all around the world. The technology they use to this is just unreal and seems very farfetched and futuristic. It is actually possible to bore miles of tunnels in a single day. Some of the machines that bore the tunnels are able to melt the sides into glass. Schneider and others have talked of an intricate network of underground monorails and trains which are able to travel at high rates of speed from underground base to underground base.

It was August 1979 and Phil had already helped constructed a few underground bases for the US government. They were drilling tunnels to add an expansion to the underground base in Dulce, New Mexico. Apparently the drilling equipment had failed so Schneider and a Green Beret soldier went down the tunnel to see why it had malfunctioned. Soot and a rancid stench rose from the cavern. Phil strapped his pistol to his side and him along with a Green Beret soldier walked down the tunnel. As they went down the tunnel they encountered several large Grey alien beings. Immediately Schneider fired his pistol, killing two of the large Grey aliens. Apparently they had stumbled across an ancient underground alien military base! “In the process, one of them did this…he just kind of waved his hand in front of his chest, and the next thing I know this blue beam hit me and just literally opened me up like a fish..burnt my fingers right off of me…it was some form of electrical force because kind of like being hit by a lightning bolt, burned off…I didn’t remember much…There was a Green Beret that was right behind me, that risked his life, in fact he died…shoved me back in the basket, hit the button and took me up. I wouldn’t be alive talking to you today if it wasn’t for him. I’m forever indebted. He lost his life. Sixty six secret service agents, green berets, black berets-crack troop- lost their lives…There is a war under there and I’m talking dead serious that’s been going on since that time, since late august 1979 our military, the Russian military, basically the militaries of the world have been in constant conflict with the outer space aliens. The small grey, the large grey, the reptilian, the whole thing. There are 11 distinct races of aliens” (The man).

What is interesting is that when you watch the videos of Phil Schneider giving his UFOs lectures (after he quit the black projects, he was a guest lecture speaker at several conferences on UFOs), you notice that he has fingers missing on his left hand. Also, a couple times he can be seen in various other taped speaking events where he lifts up his shirt. It appears that he has a large scar running vertically down the middle of his chest. Schneider claimed that these injuries were from the weapon the Grey alien that shot him in the firefight below Dulce, NM. The event became known as the “Dulce War”. Phil had stated in one of his lecture that he had 13 attempts on his life from various apparent government agents. Schneider was found dead in his Wilsonville, Oregon apartment on January 17, 1996. His dead was initially ruled a heart attack, but later it was confirmed that he was “with piano wire still wrapped around his neck” (Branton). It has since been theorized that Schneider was actually murdered for saying too much. He had even stated in his lectures that he was breaking a secrecy oath and faced imprisonment or worse for the information which he was sharing with the general public in his lectures. In the author of this paper’s mind, Schneider was another casualty of war which is being fought to keep secrets from the general population. There have been many other researchers and insiders which have met similar fates. Mysterious and unexplained deaths, suicides, and accidents are more commonplace in the UFO community than one would wish to believe.

So how is it possible to prove that the alien visitors do in fact exist? The obvious answer is that it is not. Until they land here and shed their secretive ways, all we have is blanked out government documents and personal experiences of observers to rely on. Many times any evidence recovered from landing or crashed UFOs are covertly collected by government agencies to hide their existence from the public. But when you weigh the vastness of the universe along with the numerous amounts of sightings of UFOs and interactions with their pilots, it appears at the very least that it is possible. The possibility is real and definite. That is what I have hoped to prove with this paper, the possibility exists. I could have written this paper to prove that there is a possibility that God exists. It would be the same argument. It is more a proof of empirical faith that a scientific thesis. When you factor in all the mysterious deaths of scientists, researchers, and the government insiders which come to light to share secretive information, the realm of science fiction starts to have an eerie ring of truth to it.

Consider the witnesses, their motives, and ultimate outcomes. I have repeated this throughout the paper because it is the basis of truth. It is the only basis we have; the morality and the characters of the witnesses. Also consider how so many people mysteriously die when they relate their classified information. Actions speak louder than words. Sometimes people will kill to hide words and information. It seems that many different factions from all over the world are going through great lengths to keep aliens in the realm of science fiction that science fact. Perhaps the threat from aliens does not come from the aliens themselves, but rather the humans which have taken a duty to keep their existence a secret. The secretive nature of these matters only leads me to believe that something very nefarious is amuck. This alien agenda has been going on for many years if it is true. People have died to bring proof to light to a subject which received much ridicule from the scientific community and from society in general. As Schneider said there is “a war going on”. The war is for information. It is a war of the mind and it is on. The alien question is not to be taken lightly.

So it logical to wonder why the government is hiding these alien affairs from us. Why are being kept in the dark? Maybe if we were to find out that there are other advanced cultures, even more so than us, it would truly affect the human condition. We would lose our sense of uniqueness in the universe. Could we handle the truth, or would we globally have a violent reaction? Would we want to kill the visitors with nuclear weapons? It is very possible we would lose that special feeling that we are the highest most intellectual beings on the food chain. Once we discovered how insignificant we were it is hard to predict our reaction and the ultimate outcome. Perhaps it is better that we do not know about these visitors. Maybe we could not handle or fathom their existence. After all, ignorance is bliss. If the status quo were to be ever upset, could we handle it? Do we have the ability to share the universe with others, even if they were always here? Perhaps we are not yet ready, either spiritually or psychologically, for their appearance. We could easily be perceived as primitive animals by cultures which have had millions or billions of years of advancement on us. Either way, in the scheme of things, we are either brilliantly unique to the universe, or just another race on a rock circling a star. It is only right that if we are being visited, we be allowed to know our true ranking in the universe, whether we can handle it or not. The truth is hard to handle and it was never meant to be easy. Either way, once you start to research the alien question, you find that there certainly are events which cannot be denied, which have taken place. They have been witnesses by farmers to doctors and policemen. People of every age, education level, and background have reported interactions with non human entities. They have been sighted singularly and in mass. If just one of these events can be proven true, then we have been lied to and that means History is a lie. Perhaps what is written in the annals of history is not truth, rather an easy palatable fabrication. This is where reality and fiction have been blurred together.















































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“Aliens - Sgt. Clifford Stone goes public about 57 species”. 16 Oct. 2008. Online Video Clip.

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Jacobs, David M. The Threat: Revealing The Secret Alien Agenda. New York: Fireside, 1998.
Kantor, MacKinlay. “Why I Believe In Flying Saucers”. Popular Science Jan 1966 pg 73-75
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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:07 PM
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Nice layout a star for effort...
Now myself, I haven't met very many people that weren't willing to acknowledge their are probably a whole bunch of earth like planets and non earth like planets in and out of our universe that support life of some type - known life or otherwise.. The difficulty lies for me and many others as too whether or not any more advanced civilizations have been visiting earth or not - that is the problem for my skeptical view anyhow.
And if they where visiting us, than why? Certainly not to invade us or we would've been invaded long ago. I don't believe they want to enlighten us no more than we want to enlighten the insects of this world that entomologist do study.

Thanks,
Vance



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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I enjoyed your well written essay, Jdawg9909.

The incidents & persons to which you refer have been of great interest to me over time.

Whilst offering fascinating anecdote & some degree of "evidence", every one of the incidents & persons to which you refer can also be strongly "argued against".

I'm sure I shall enjoy watching your thread unfold.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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Interesting theories, as I can attest that I firmly agree with most of your points. However a few of them just don't seem to add up for me.

Specifically, if we were at war with aliens, underground.... why would it be necessary for them to continue to hide in secrecy? What is the point, if their intentions are to exterminate us? Why would they care if the public spiraled into chaos because they revealed themselves...?

And what better way to construct an elaborate story than the way Phil Schneider did. They were underground, and the only person that could prove or deny his story, the green beret was killed. That just seems fishy to me, but I haven't heard of the guy or know anything about him other than what you have reported.

Also, I have definitely done my research within the UFO and ET field and I am well aware of the government oppression forced upon people that are "in the know." Specifically death threats and basically intimidation tactics to keep the truth under "wrap." Again, you sound much more informed on the topic than I am, but it my research I haven't come across very many people that have actually be killed by the government for going public. It seems to me that governments are trending more towards the fact of disclosure rather than forced silence. Perhaps you could provide a list those killed by the government for going public, that you are referring to.

Thanks for the great read, and I look forward to reading your responses.



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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:19 PM
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Thanks for the replies. The information was basically a synopsis of what I have learned in researching UFOs during the past five years. All this information was compiled freely from the web, and you can furthur research yourself.

As for the still secretive nature of aliens and thier bases, it is really hard to say the reasoning. It may relate to not upsetting the current order of things. That is to say that if people found out about aliens, perhaps the world would go into chaos. The reasoning could also be due to the Greada treaty of 1954 where there was a pact to make such visitors a secret. Perhaps it is because that we are not yet ready to respond positively with such news due to our "shoot first,ask questions second" mentality.

And who knows, maybe aliens don't exist afterall. It is anyone's guess and all evidential speculation.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by xX aFTeRm4Th Xx
Also, I have definitely done my research within the UFO and ET field and I am well aware of the government oppression forced upon people that are "in the know." Specifically death threats and basically intimidation tactics to keep the truth under "wrap." Again, you sound much more informed on the topic than I am, but it my research I haven't come across very many people that have actually be killed by the government for going public. It seems to me that governments are trending more towards the fact of disclosure rather than forced silence. Perhaps you could provide a list those killed by the government for going public, that you are referring to.



Research the Marconi scientists



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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My take on things...

There is a mathematical formula called the Drake equation. It was designed to find the probability that there is intelligent life out there beyond this planet. The formula is rather complicated because it is based on a number of factors. It concludes that there is evolved intelligent life out there in the universe besides this planet. It is currently estimated by scientists that there are approximately 50 planetoids in our Milky Way galaxy alone which have the possibility to support carbon based life forms. And this is just an estimate for carbon based life forms. It is very possible that there are other element based life forms out there. As of now, the very thought of non human life forms existing has just been a possibility or a probability. I hope to prove in this paper that there is very much empirical evidence that extraterrestrials have been visiting out planet for thousands of years.


Your take on things may sound good to you but with your opening quoting Frank Drake's "equation" I know that you are just blowing hot air. Frank Drake's "equation" started with zero because Frank did not have any evidence to back up his equation. Ditto for any scientist that put himself on the line by making such claims especially with specific numbers of planetoids. When you start with zero you end up with zero. So, bottom line is that neither Frank nor anyone can come up with any phony formula for estimating that there is any other form of life outside of earth. We are it and no one can prove otherwise.

There is no evidence, empirical or otherwise, for the existence of extraterrestrials and I doubt very much that you can prove events dealing with thousands of years. I don't accept that you have any irrefutable evidence.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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Thanks for your summary and efforts. Even though only the tip of the iceberg, it is nevetheless a succinct summary on the UFO and its occupants question.

You are obviously an intelligent and rational person who can look at issues objectively. It is because of people like you that Disclosure will ultimately happen. France, Australia, Italy, Brazil, Chile and many other nations had already acknowledged the existance of UFOs, by the intelligentsia as well as the common folks.

They know they are dealing with an unknown intelligent force, of capabilities and technologies that had not been acknowledged by any Earth bound man, military or coporation within their soveriegn airspace and territories, witnessed and investigated by both their military and police forces.

They too came to such conclusions as you did and did not make use of lies, science and silence to hide their fears, but to fearlessly confront the issue for the sake of humanity.

Some other nations had kept their silence, but unfortunately the tide of overwhelming evidences are becoming far too compelling to ignore anymore. What comes next will be CONTACT - establishing of contact with the occupants - aliens - of the UFOs.

It is believed that the aliens had already established contacts with the leading super-powers on Earth - US, China, India, Russia, just as any intelligent species would do so, a natural behaviour such as humans visiting a home would seek to speak to the man of the house.

But despite the masses attempts to seek openess and transparency on CONTACT, the authorities had vehemently denied it ever took place, even though credible witnesses atttest under sworn oath otherwise. This will be something we as a human race must persevere and demand our public representatives make good to keep their pledge to serve the people, whom have the right to know and make informed choices.

Another aspect of contact is thru the mind, which some had derided as bogus self induced hallucinations. But the truth is - how much do we know how the human mind works technically?

Neuroscience is but yet in its infancy, and to simply brush off such 'perceptions' would be of intellectual arrogance bothering on supreme stupidity. Even animals, our cousin species, are known to use their limited minds as communications such as whales, sharks, etc.

For those whom had presumed established contact with the aliens via the mind, there is nothing much such persons can do, for they have no power to effect 'change' in reversing the policy of secrecy and mockery on the alien issue. 'Change' must come from the policy makers.

Regardless if indeed contact had been made via the mind with the aliens, witness, mass sightings or thru the rational deduction thru logic, 'change' must come so that no one else need to suffer discrimination and injustices to witnesses and abductees ever again, and to work together as a human race to gain better knowledge of our universe that we had been gifted with life for.

May the power of our combined voices to create further awareness effect our desired change to the our policy makers, and need not go to the stage of using pitchforks to do so instead.



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posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 09:35 AM
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My take on things...

There is a mathematical formula called the Drake equation. It was designed to find the probability that there is intelligent life out there beyond this planet. The formula is rather complicated because it is based on a number of factors. It concludes that there is evolved intelligent life out there in the universe besides this planet. It is currently estimated by scientists that there are approximately 50 planetoids in our Milky Way galaxy alone which have the possibility to support carbon based life forms. And this is just an estimate for carbon based life forms. It is very possible that there are other element based life forms out there. As of now, the very thought of non human life forms existing has just been a possibility or a probability. I hope to prove in this paper that there is very much empirical evidence that extraterrestrials have been visiting out planet for thousands of years.


Your take on things may sound good to you but with your opening quoting Frank Drake's "equation" I know that you are just blowing hot air. Frank Drake's "equation" started with zero because Frank did not have any evidence to back up his equation. Ditto for any scientist that put himself on the line by making such claims especially with specific numbers of planetoids. When you start with zero you end up with zero. So, bottom line is that neither Frank nor anyone can come up with any phony formula for estimating that there is any other form of life outside of earth. We are it and no one can prove otherwise.

There is no evidence, empirical or otherwise, for the existence of extraterrestrials and I doubt very much that you can prove events dealing with thousands of years. I don't accept that you have any irrefutable evidence.


Ummm...if you would of read a little furthur, you would see that I only proved that there was circumstantial evidence that we are being visited. When you factor in all of the credible accounts, trace evidence, and mass sightings it is rather hard to deny.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 09:45 AM
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Thanks for the enthusiasm. The information was written from many hours of research on the subject. I like to consider myself a hobby researcher, I wish it were possible to make a living doing such a thing. But this question of being alone in the universe certainly is worthwhile meditating on.

I have come to the conclusion that my thesis could be merely a disinformation mythology. That is to say, the stories have all been planted on the internet for us to find,and they(TPTB) want us to find these stories and piece them all together. So perhaps the rabbit hole goes a little deeper. Maybe the article I wrote is merely the biproduct of a carefully constructed disinformation campaign. Maybe I have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker(kind of like when I vote for Obama
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All of this information is purely speculation. Honestly just because someone tells me that they were abducted, does not mean I am going to believe them the majority of time.

I just figured I would post my article so you could get a basic idea of the information available out there on the subject. I felt it was worth while to dig a little deeper and to see the actual pilots of these craft for what they are. Sadly, until they reveal themselves, this is all just speculation, but in my mind, very fulfilling and worthwhile to research.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 09:06 PM
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Ummm...if you would of read a little furthur, you would see that I only proved that there was circumstantial evidence that we are being visited. When you factor in all of the credible accounts, trace evidence, and mass sightings it is rather hard to deny.


You cannot have less than irrefutable evidence. There is irrefutable evidence for the reality of UFOs; their reality can no longer be questioned. BUT there is no evidence, circumstancial or not, that we are being visited. You cannot assume that UFOs are from anywhere in creation. Of course, they're from somewhere but not necessarily the romantic notion that if UFOs contain aliens that said UFOs and aliens are from some unnamed source especially from deep space where not one single UFO has been seen. As far as the moon, yes. Presently, I do not accept any account by anyone that they know where UFOs and possible aliens come from.

Credible accounts of other than sightings, daylight mind you for night events do not carry the same weight, rely on hearsay and you know where that's at. Trace evidence? I doubt it. Mass sightings? No one has approached a mass sighting to determine if what is being seen is actual crafts or balloons. We do know that balloons are released in huge numbers. So that POV is nebulous.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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Well we could also argue that UFOs do not exist at all. As far as I know there is no tangible/irrifutable evidence of thier existence. Any video or photos could easily be errors in the film, weather phenomoneon, or even top secret aerospace projects. So either viewpoint as to actual existence is merely a guess.

As for the origins of these unknown craft there is a higher probability that they are man made and this explanation sits easier with most people. This explanation does not threaten people's mindsets as much as if they were extraterrestrial in origin. If they are extraterriestrial it would shake the very fabric of all human existence.

In the thesis above(original post), I merely took enough stories and hopefully pieced together a decent argument that they are from extraterrestrial origin. My goal was to try to provide an impossible argument as logically as possible. It would be like like writing a scientific proof that god exists, and that really isnt possible. There is much faith in believing in such things.

In reality I have never pigeonholed myself as to the origin of these craft but felt that it would be fun to write a paper to support a stance that the craft were not built on this planet,and then had to try to find reports to support this notion. I always found it interesting that most of the pilots are humanoid in nature, therefore they may just be costumed humans, but that is neither here nor there.

The truth is neither side has a good argument and any belief is purely speculation. But either craft do exist or they dont. If they do exist then the next step is to decide where they came from. I don't pretend to have the answers, just trying to find a shred of the truth like most here are attempting to do.







 
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