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The United States is a Republic not a democracy

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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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double post

[edit on 26-12-2009 by robwerden]




posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by spec_ops_wannabe
The Founding Fathers never meant for this Republic to become a rule by mob, they always meant for it to be rule by (just) law. You will never find the word "democracy" anywhere in the DoI, the Federal Constitution, or any of the state Constitutions.


You'll never find the two words "Constitutional Republic" side by side in any of those, either, but you'll find some states declare themselves as republics to the union.

Why?

Very simple. The founding fathers of the U.S. sought after to do something opposite from the constitutional monarchy, and that is known as the constitutional democracy.

There, is the confusion people have when they say the U.S. is not a democracy.

If they said the U.S. is not a constitutional democracy... well... send them back to the queen and maybe she'll chop their heads off for being a traitor, or maybe she'll reward them for their attempt to thwart a constitutional democracy.

EDIT: *awaits usually blob about how democracy equals mob rule yada yada*

[edit on 26-12-2009 by dzonatas]



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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Indeed.

A strong understanding of the Federalist papers and also the Anti-Federalist papers should be included in everyone's civic education, but it is not.


In my opinion, I believe it will never be what is intended because the lack of knowledge on a whole within the populace in regards to self-governance. This has lead to the slow progression towards a strong Fed and weakened the States and the People in exchange for convenience, security and status-quo



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 02:29 PM
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I believe with the regime in place we are no longer a Republic or a

democracy. I know our forefathers intended for our beloved United States of

America to stand as a Republic. With the Czars in power anything

goes and can you say Totalitarianism. ^Y^



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by donhuangenaro
 


At least you have provided some type of response towards a question that I posed to another poster.

I welcome it and thank you for the video! I enjoy taking in all knowledge so I can discern and decipher the information in my little thing called a 'brain'


By the by, I am still waiting for the answers, or at least attempts, to the questions I posed to the OP.............my buzz will only last so long before I smash my face into the keyboard




All of your replies are great but this one was the greatest!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep it up and don't hurt the keyboard!!!



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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The concept of "czars" has been in place with previous presidents. Still wondering when people can take the emotions out of an argument....



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by robwerden

That being said, and going off the topic as it was originally intended, the act of electing officials is a major problem because of the democracy required to do it. I find many flaws in the majority vote because it opens up to special interests.
I do not personally have a solution to that, other than repercussions on the elected officials for not following the rule of law which stems from the constitution. The process of elections has been modified to try and fix many problems over the years, but It always boils down to what they do after they are elected. If we elect them to do something that is democracy. If we elect them to serve the constitution that is a Republic. The truth is we do need to elect people and the elections do need a majority rule. The reason for the election though needs to be to seve the Constitution and not the needs of the majority.


Why didn't you just state this in the first place? Equal rights but NEVER equal property. Want property, earn a livng and acquire it. And yes, it should be more than a 51% majority vote, but that is where democracy is. It is the method used to change the structure of the Republic. What most people here are arguing over is one word used before another. As an adjective or verb/adverb before a noun. What REALLY gets to me is the use of the terms. U.S. is the federally created United States, look up the definition in any government law, it is just federal territory and NOT the united States of America as a whole which is made up of the 50 union States. So I would ask that people, PLEASE REFRAIN from refering to the country as the U.S., it is not, it is the U.S.A. and I am an American and NOT a U.S. citizen but a union State Citizen. This is how we have screwed ourselves, we allow the 14th Amendment to describe who we are, it is false and fraudulent, just like the 13th Amendment. I want the original 13th Amendment back please. Search that.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
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The concept of "czars" has been in place with previous presidents. Still wondering when people can take the emotions out of an argument....



No concept about it they are in power as Czars undermining the Cabinet's

authority. I hope as humans and not robots we still have emotions and become

even more emotional when our freedoms are taken away. ^Y^



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:30 PM
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The OP made the point correctly - The United States is a Republic. If it were not the voice of every alt group would be unheard. And yet the average fool says we are a Democracy.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by amari
 


The concept of "czars" has been in place with previous presidents. Still wondering when people can take the emotions out of an argument....


It is because they are not confirmed by the Senate. Their "roles" are already covered by the Cabinet. The "czars" are illegal and unconstitutional. As I've said if people continually make wrongs it does not suddenly become right.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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I find it amazing that:

: For the last God-knows-how-many years both the Republican and The Democrat parties have been sticking it to you, the American voter... both running your country into the ground.

: You are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt... with not a hope of paying it back
: All your manufacturing jobs have gone to China
: Your banks are screwing you by screaming 'We love capitalism, leave us alone to get on with it' when times are good... then convert to socialism and screw the taxpayer when they mess up
: Your young men are dying overseas, in wars they shouldn't even be fighting
: Your constitution is being slowly shredded
: I could go on, but I think you get the idea

AND YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLIC OR A DEMOCRACY???

You couldn't make it up



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Dagar
I find it amazing that:

: For the last God-knows-how-many years both the Republican and The Democrat parties have been sticking it to you, the American voter... both running your country into the ground.

: You are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt... with not a hope of paying it back
: All your manufacturing jobs have gone to China
: Your banks are screwing you by screaming 'We love capitalism, leave us alone to get on with it' when times are good... then convert to socialism and screw the taxpayer when they mess up
: Your young men are dying overseas, in wars they shouldn't even be fighting
: Your constitution is being slowly shredded
: I could go on, but I think you get the idea

AND YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLIC OR A DEMOCRACY???

You couldn't make it up



As we have all seen time and time again never every put your full trust in

mankind for mankind will disappoint you most of the time especially the lying

politicians. ^Y^


[edit on 26-12-2009 by amari]



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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Sorry, but America is neither a republic or a democracy. America is a hegomonic and plutocratic government/state/country. Anyone suggesting otherwise is most likely suffering from mental retardation, has been living in a cave for the last 50 years or simply has no clue about the American political system.





[edit on 26-12-2009 by EMPIRE]



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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This thread reminds me of Americans who argue as to whether a softdrink should be called "pop" or "soda", or of two morons whacking each other on the head in turn with wooden mallets. Does it really matter if someone ignorantly calls the US a democracy? Don't be so pedantic.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 11:51 PM
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To some it is important. I am sure Plato was considered pedantic while he was contemplating while the world around him had its troubles also.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 12:14 AM
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If you think Plato was pedantic, how about Aristotle? Talk about yammering on about the obvious, and yet, he remains one of my all time favorite philosophers. I, by the way, have never heard any Americans argue about whether to call a soft drink soda or pop, have you? And as to hammering each other with mallets, I have only seen such Tomfoolery in cartoons.

I have enjoyed your thread, but she has a point, it does seem to want to become a metaphorical cartoonish back and forth over the semantics. I have been tempted to reply to some of this, but why? It matters not what people believe, as long as the law is respected and those who would keep a democracy in check are able to rely upon the law to do so. If those who would keep a democracy in check can not rely upon the law, then watch out, because then we will probably see mallets a bonking!



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
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I am sure Plato was considered pedantic while he was contemplating while the world around him had its troubles also.



Apples to oranges. Plato was a philosopher and mathematician. In academic or scholarly venues precision is required in order to avoid confusion, but in casual conversation? Um, no.



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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The framers of the US Constitution created a Republic only in that we are without a king, monarch or a dictator. The United States is more aptly defined as a Representative Democracy.

[A form of government in which representatives are elected by the people to make and enforce laws and policies. Political decisions are made by the officials elected by the people. Some democracies retain a monarchy in a ceremonial role.]



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 03:40 AM
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So no one here is philosophizing? We are just in casual conversation? Where does one engage in philosophical debate....I want to know so I can join them.

Throughout this thread my goal was to dig deeper in WHY. Most have dodged, ignored or overlooked any questions I have asked.

As far as wording, I really do not care. I will argue and stand for a certain terminology but ultimately under the hood is what needs to be fixed.

To say people on here are 'apples' and Plato is 'oranges' is saying you have the authority to lay down the status quo of where enlightenment derives from. People asking deeper and deeper questions to such a simple statement (which I believe the OP made), and then jumping in and just claiming silliness and tomfoolery because you think so only shows that you are unwilling to join in.

WHOA.....sorry...enjoyed too many Sam Adams



posted on Dec, 27 2009 @ 03:45 AM
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Jean Paul I have to agree. I am not saying Plato was pedantic. I was actually being sarcastic in nature regarding that post.

On the one hand I will agree...it is a Spy Vs. Spy mentality regarding semantics. On the other, passionate people trying to establish what the United States of America should be, should do so not only in shouting, but with strong unbreakable determination.

This is only my opinion. As I have asked before.....can anyone point out what the USA has evolved into?




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