The United States is a Republic not a democracy

Just to set the record straight for all you Obama lovers out there. The USA is not a Democracy it is a Republic. I'm so sick of Americans using the word Democracy when they have no clue what it means.

That's all




[edit on 25-12-2009 by robwerden]

reply to post by robwerden


Try not to make presumptions based upon your biases when you want to make a point.

You have effectively made a mute post by littering it with an obvious bias that will be the basis of many replies you may receive.

Not all Obama lovers believe we are a direct Democracy (this is which I believe you are referring to?) and not all Obama haters know we are not a direct Democracy.

Clearly state what you are trying to prove and don't just shout it.

Clearly I made my point and what I wanted to prove, and that is the type of government we are. I single out Obama lovers because they are different from Obama supporters and people who voted Obama and people who voted Democrat. They love Obama with a passion and believe everything he says, and everyone who runs around screaming for his cause uses the defining term democracy incorrectly.

reply to post by robwerden


Stop the ridiculous nitpicking about democracy! The president and Congress are elected by a democratic process known as voting AS CONTAINED IN THE US CONSTITUTION!!!

Then can you define what this nation, The United States is? Not when it was created, but what it is now? Are we still a constitutional republic with democratic principles? Are we a democratic republic with constitutional authority? What exactly would you define the current state of the USA?

No I won't stop nitpicking. It is a word that should not be used to describe our government. Statements like " we live in a democracy" are inaccurate and need to be corrected.

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by robwerden

 

Stop the ridiculous nitpicking about democracy! The president and Congress are elected by a democratic process known as voting AS CONTAINED IN THE US CONSTITUTION!!!

reply to post by OldDragger


Claiming someone to stop asserting their view is narrow because you find it 'nitpicking.'

You are correct we employ democratic principles in voting for our legislators at the Federal level and most State level positions, but the president is not elected democratically as defined.

The people do not have a direct vote in the presidential elections.

Until the Constitution is changed to state other wise we are a Republic.
I do not add any other describing words before or after.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
Then can you define what this nation, The United States is? Not when it was created, but what it is now? Are we still a constitutional republic with democratic principles? Are we a democratic republic with constitutional authority? What exactly would you define the current state of the USA?

Originally posted by robwerden
Just to set the record straight for all you Obama lovers out there. The USA is not a Democracy it is a Republic.

You appear not to know what both terms actually mean, they are not mutually exclusive! The USA is both!

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by robwerden
Just to set the record straight for all you Obama lovers out there. The USA is not a Democracy it is a Republic.

You appear not to know what both terms actually mean, they are not mutually exclusive! The USA is both!

The people are both, the USA is the constitution, and the constitution is a republic.

reply to post by robwerden


The states are guaranteed a republican form of government as per Article IV, Section 4. U.S. Constitution, where does the Constitution state what the Federal government to be?

I might add that a Constitutional Republic ceases to exist once the vast majority of the populace has been inclined to neglect their civics. Having no interests in self-governance, how can a country maintain a republic?

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
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The states are guaranteed a republican form of government as per Article IV, Section 4. U.S. Constitution, where does the Constitution state what the Federal government to be?

It is the government of the states that is guaranteed a republican form of gov. Not the government in the states.

reply to post by robwerden


Of and in....please do not argue semantics considering the Government within a State is the same as the Government of the State.

Within in every state, a republican form of government is present and the government of a state is in republican form.

Please, I am not trying to argue fallacies as you bring them up and wish this thread to contain some true thought and understanding as I believe you wish it to have.

So far you have neglected my posts only to zero in on what can easily be understood with some thought.

I don't know if I'm happy or sad that we have to have a thread like this in order to set things straight.
The Founding Fathers never meant for this Republic to become a rule by mob, they always meant for it to be rule by (just) law. You will never find the word "democracy" anywhere in the DoI, the Federal Constitution, or any of the state Constitutions.
I'd recommend watching this series of Youtube videos to get a better understanding:









Enjoy, and get an education.

reply to post by robwerden



According to Merriam-Webster,
Republic;
www.merriam-webster.com...
1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit
2 : a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity
3 : a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, or Yugoslavia
Democracy
www.merriam-webster.com...
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States
4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges

S&F

reply to post by ownbestenemy


Article IV, Section 4 states the following:

"The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence."

The first sentence is obviously what we are focusing on. The Article in question is regarding the States, not the Union (Federal level.)

You are trying to twist the meaning and actual saying. That article directly refers to the States and what the Constitution guarantees said States.

Sadly... there are not pure democracies out there. We are all being ruled by elite. It's a republic thing. Rome has been rules by a number of families. The people though, needed to be shown that something is being done for them hence the "games".

So now we have our games - we choose people based on the "democratic process" It's the same all over the world in basically the same form.

The last democracy in modern times would be probably the anarchistic socialists in Spain during the Franco reign.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by robwerden

 

Of and in....please do not argue semantics considering the Government within a State is the same as the Government of the State.

Within in every state, a republican form of government is present and the government of a state is in republican form.

Please, I am not trying to argue fallacies as you bring them up and wish this thread to contain some true thought and understanding as I believe you wish it to have.

So far you have neglected my posts only to zero in on what can easily be understood with some thought.

Exactly what are you attempting to convince me of?
Here watch this

reply to post by robwerden


Well I have asked several questions that you have been unable to answer. What, in the current state of the United States, is our overall form of government?