Man Attempts to Set Off Explosives on Plane

Originally posted by JJay55
That's what pisses me off the most. Guys like Murtha are old and need to go. They also block the guys from the era who would be perfect in the field right now because of old rivalries. So the blacklisted guys are just sitting back hoping they aren't popped off before they get their shot again. Silly internal game that gets us with out pants down and the enemy counts on that. So yeah, by the time the dinosaurs get off their wrinkled azzes, AQ is running circles around them.

The US military-industrial complex is like Rome in decline. Overconfident with their expensive high tech toys they think no one can beat. The Muslim barbarian hordes will crash the gates and they won't know what hit them.

Obama is an enabler of all this. Who knows what he really wants deep down. It probably isn't in the best interest of ordinary folk. Maybe just his place in the history books.

The American political system no longer encourages visionaries with integrity. One rises in the ranks by being mediocre and a game player.

Barring a miracle, no radical revision will happen until the system is crashing.
This would be a good time for a sharp charismatic leader to emerge. But the Republicans wouldn't an exceptional combination of recognize brains, guts and personality qualities if it smacked them in the face.


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But look at the popular choices, Sarah Palin and Ron Paul. Crikey.
Before leadership changes there has to be some intelligent life out there to lead. Optimism escapes me lately.

Politics doesn't attract the real talent any more. Private indstry and the corporate world reward with unlimited money - into the hundreds of millions with salaries, bonuses, shares. And you don't have to put your life on the line with one misstep or indiscretion like in the political sphere. You can siphon off a few million for yourself, but you have to be really careful.

So politics is stuck with second rate egotists, scumbags, crooked lawyers, the ambitious but uninspired. The odd movie star or second generationer.

If they privatized the government they might be able to get some exceptional people interested. Will never happen.

[edit on 1-1-2010 by mmiichael]

And here's a prime example of Jack Cloonan who thinks we have to win hearts and minds. He's the former bin Laden unit.... christ... we are doomed.
www.france24.com...

Walid Phares is very clear that we have to profile ideology. But the US still puts the Western thinkers in charge. He also mentioned al Jazeera (who is trying to get US air space and infiltrating the Western market) as a culprit of spreading radicalization.

Originally posted by mmiichael
Politics doesn't attract the real talent any more. Private indstry and the corporate world reward with unlimited money - into the hundreds of millions with salaries, bonuses, shares. And you don't have to put your life on the line with one misstep or indiscretion like in the political sphere. You can siphon off a few million for yourself, but you have to be really careful.

So politics is stuck with second rate egotists, scumbags, crooked lawyers, the ambitious but uninspired. The odd movie star or second generationer.

If they privatized the government they might be able to get some exceptional people interested. Will never happen.

Blackwater is privatized. Their success rate is super. They have the hottest guys in the industry.
The grants I've seen out there for similar operations are given to more dinosaurs and unqualified companies who offer little value to the US.
I just don't know what it's going to take to change but I have a feeling it's going to be really big.

The US advantage in the 20th Century was built on the knowledge base of defectors. Class traitors form the rich, ex-Nazis, Commie defectors, Mafia crime lords coming in form the cold, Jewish socialists selling out, etc

Muslim types are too spit-scared to go over to the other side. Them and their families would never live to enjoy the benefits.

Some Mexican drug baron, disenchanted ISI member, a pissed off Iranian official, a Chines defector, an ex-mafia type - would be a welcome change.

They would know how the competition thinks and have connections.

We can only hope some experienced professional crooks get into positions of power to replace the fumblers and amateurs there now.

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

No one can really be responsible for the free will or the actions of another. Every person operates independently. It would be the same thing if I expected you to be able to stop every Christian who has their own personal agenda. Its an absolute impossibility to stop the madness of others.

Your insistence in attempting equate the actions of today's Christians extremists with those of today's Muslim extremists is counter productive to what ever points you are attempting to make.

How many thousands have dies over the past ten years at the hands of Muslim extremists? You know full well that Christians have not perpetrated the level of violence on the world, so why do you continue to derail the discussion with your Christian strawman?

Islam has a massive problem on it's hands because a minority of Muslims have used the religion to justify murder. While I believe the great majority of Muslims reject the extremists world view, organizations like CAIR have not helped the religion by remaining largely silent on the criminak actions of the minority.

No derailing here...he asked, I answered.

www.legitgov.org...

Northwest Bomb Plot 'Oddities'

Courtesy: survivalacres.com...

First attack of the New Year. A Somali said to be linked to AQ tried to break into the home of one of those Danish cartoonists today. Shot and caught by local police.

Some people don't have a sense of humour.

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Good point, weeding out the field. Those tactics seem familiar.

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by bigyin
What is important to understand from all this is that Jews in arabic territory are not regarded as enemy by Muslims. They only became regarded as enemy in 1948 when the Jews declared the state of Israel. At that point the Jews were very clearly seen as an enemy have have been since then.

The conduct of Zionist Israel has only made matters worse and hardened the Muslim viewpoint.

If Jews had not taken over part of the arabic land and started making life for Palestininas so difficult then no doubt the presence of Jews on the land would have been tolerated and Jews would not have become the enemy and there would not be any Hubaibiyya.

I have stated on other threads that I fear for the Jews in Israel because eventually they will be overtaken by the Muslims, and yet it didn't have to be this way. They could all have lived in peace from the outset.

The fact that Hammas and other similar minded groups are willing to be patient and look for ways to bring Israel down is the fault of Israel.

This is outright revisionist history misinformation perpetuated by Muslims who conveniently forget their active involvement with the Nazis going back into the early 30s. Let's just call it the Big Lie.

Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Yasser Arafat's uncle and inspiration, was hired by the Nazis to co-ordinate Jewish extermination programs. He worked in Berlin with the top Nazis and advocated a Nazi-style Jewish death camp program across the Middle East.

People on this forum should do actual research on subjects they comment on instead of spewing disinformational race hatred propaganda.

The current position of Palestinians is that ideally they want the whole of Palestine to be an Islamic state, and within that state Muslims, Jews and Christians can co exist. This is how it was before the Jews grabbed the land for themselves and made themselves an enemy of Muslims.

Their next best option is for the 2 state solution supposedly on offer by Israel.

"However, Zahar (Palestinian Authority Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahar), who is the overall leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, said he didn't rule out the possibility of having Jews, Muslims and Christians living under the sovereignty of an Islamic state, adding that the Palestinians never hated the Jews and that only the Israeli occupation was their enemy. "

Source

The Strange Case of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab

The above story is a very good read and really makes you wonder if this was a terror plot with a wink and a nod to let it happen so people could gain contracts and point fingers after it happened.

Originally posted by bigyin
The current position of Palestinians is that ideally they want the whole of Palestine to be an Islamic state, and within that state Muslims, Jews and Christians can co exist. This is how it was before the Jews grabbed the land for themselves and made themselves an enemy of Muslims.

Their next best option is for the 2 state solution supposedly on offer by Israel.

"However, Zahar (Palestinian Authority Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahar), who is the overall leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, said he didn't rule out the possibility of having Jews, Muslims and Christians living under the sovereignty of an Islamic state, adding that the Palestinians never hated the Jews and that only the Israeli occupation was their enemy."

The position of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem over Palestine was that he wanted Muslims, Jews and Christians to peacefully co-exist. As soon as Hitler declared his war on Jews he was running off to Berlin to form an alliance and pushing for the installation on the Middle East of Nazi-style death camps.

The position of the Middle East and North African Muslim leaders in the first half of the 20th Century was they wanted Muslims, Jews, and Christians to peacefully co-exist. When Israel repelled the attack by neighbouring Arab states on the day of it's creation in 1948, Muslim countries including Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco expelled 850,000 Jews and seized their properties.

With their word broken at the first opportunity, no one takes seriously claims made any Muslim leaders on their peaceful intentions. Hamas has consistently broken every agreement not to send shells into Israel.


[edit on 4-1-2010 by mmiichael]

It's really difficult to answer somebody with such a skewed view of reality, but I'll try.

From your statement above you appear to agree with me that everything was fine right up until Israel created itself.

And then right after that the real trouble started because the Muslims got upset at the Jews grabbing land for themselves.

But then you make out that it's the Muslims fault for getting angry ...... can't you see that it's actually the Jews fault for rocking the boat.

That is my position .... if the Jews had been content to live in harmony with the other people of the region then there would not be the them and us situation we have now.

But no they would not be content... they decided to grab land and start pushing people who had lived there for a long time back, taking rights off of them and making life miserable for them. They are still doing this even today.

Originally posted by mmiichael
The position of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem over Palestine was that he wanted Muslims, Jews and Christians to peacefully co-exist. As soon as Hitler declared his war on Jews he was running off to Berlin to form an alliance and pushing for the installation on the Middle East of Nazi-style death camps.

Yes, the Grand Mufti was a great enabler.
Now Obama is the great enabler. hmmmm.

So now eye witness acounts of a "sharply-dressed man" have gone down the toilet and there was no third man? LOL! You people are IN-FREAKIN-CREDIBLE!!!!!

Abdullah el-Faisal connection to Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

www.nytimes.com...

in a May 2005 online posting under the name “farouk1986,” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the suspected Christmas Day 2009 Flight 253 bomber, referred to El-Faisal, writing: “i thought once they are arrested, no one hears about them for life and the keys to their prison wards are thrown away. That’s what I heard sheikh faisal of UK say (he has also been arrested i heard).

So where is this Jamacian man Abdullah el-Faisal ?

www.revolutionmuslim.com...

'Kenya Unable To Deport Jamaican Cleric'
Wednesday, 06 January 2010 20:12 Abdullah as-Sayf NAIROBI, Kenya, Jan 6 - Controversial Jamaican Muslim cleric Abdullah al-Faisal who was deported from the country on Monday through Tanzania has been returned to Kenya after authorities in the neighbouring country declined to receive him, police sources said.

Police and Immigration officials who had escorted him to Tanzania were unable to get him through to the neighbouring country and had been staying with him at the border until Wednesday morning when they escorted him back to Nairobi.

“He was escorted back to Nairobi and is currently at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport. We are pondering the next move,” a police source said.

Police Spokesman Erick Kiraithe who had confirmed Al-Failal’s deportation earlier on Tuesday was not immediately available for comment.

He had said “Al-Faisal is no longer in the country because we have deported him to Jamaica through Tanzania.”

A group of Muslim leaders led by Al-Amin Kimathi said they had spent the better part of Wednesday at the JKIA trying to seek audience with the cleric in vain.

“The police are totally violating Al-Faisal’s rights. They have unsuccessfully tried to deport him. All the countries have declined to receive him and now they are keeping him here at the airport,” he said.

“We have information that they are planning to deport him to an unknown country tomorrow morning (Thursday). We don’t understand why they are not allowing us to see him. We went with a lawyer ready to represent him but they have declined us access,” he added.

Al –Faisal was arrested on Thursday last week, shortly after attending prayers at a mosque in Mombasa.

Police and Immigration officials said at the time they arrested him for “violating Immigration regulations.”

He had been accused of engaging in preaching, contrary to immigration procedures which did not allow him to engage in such an activity.

So is this guy going back to Jamaica to do his jihad preaching. So now we have to worry about something happening closer to home.

I noticed that the person who just started running the web site above. Abdullah as-Sayf Jones, however was born as David Scott Jones into an average American family of Italian-Irish background. He grew up like every other kid living in lower-class Brevard, Florida. And they seem to be really promoting him as the next extremist jihad preacher to be.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by JBA2848]

Originally posted by bigyin
It's really difficult to answer somebody with such a skewed view of reality, but I'll try.

From your statement above you appear to agree with me that everything was fine right up until Israel created itself.

And then right after that the real trouble started because the Muslims got upset at the Jews grabbing land for themselves.

But then you make out that it's the Muslims fault for getting angry ...... can't you see that it's actually the Jews fault for rocking the boat.

That is my position .... if the Jews had been content to live in harmony with the other people of the region then there would not be the them and us situation we have now.

But no they would not be content... they decided to grab land and start pushing people who had lived there for a long time back, taking rights off of them and making life miserable for them. They are still doing this even today.

The popular narrative of Jews grabbing land from innocent Palestinians is not what happened. If anything far more Jews were expelled from their ancestral homes throughout the Middle East in 1948. Close to a million.

Earlier census figures and accounts show a primarily Jewish population in Jerusalem and surrounds with a huge flow illegal Arab immigrant workforce due to Jews paying 5 times the going rate for day labour in the region.
Moslty form Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, etc.

There was a state created for indigenous Arab Palestinians, 3 times the one allocated for Jews of the region. It's called Jordan. What is being sought now is a second Palestinian state out of the British Mandated West Bank.

Egypt and Jordan occupied the West Bank territories from 1950 on. After the unsuccessful attempt by Arab League armies to eradicate Israel in 1967, Israel held onto the Sinai and West Bank as buffers against another Arab invasion. It was then, not before, the PLO created the Palestinian prehistory and their lack of a homeland. For some reason they refused to create their own indnependent state and never felt they had lost a homeland when they were occupied by the British, Egyptians, Jordanians.

This is the broadest of outlines. Check out real history, documentation, reports.

As soon as al-Husseini was made leader of the British Palestine Mandate take from the Ottoman Turks, in 1919, he launched on a crusade to eliminate Jews in the region. And again, as early as the mid-30s was actively campaigning for his heroes the Nazis to help him enact a genocide of Jews in the Middle East.

More I could say. Read books not dumb websites if you want to understand what has gone on in the region.





[edit on 6-1-2010 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by bigyin
That is my position .... if the Jews had been content to live in harmony with the other people of the region then there would not be the them and us situation we have now.

Huh? When have the Jews not lived in harmony with other people? Are they lighting their crotch on fire because of this lack of harmony? Are they firing rockets into neighborhoods in a ceasefire? Are they putting on suicide vests?
Here's the deal. dar ul Islam thinks no non-muslims should be on their land. Islam claims Israel as their land so they will battle to move the Jews. Islam has already told their cells to move against Spain and France because they think that is their land too. The Lavant belongs to Islam and they are making an effort to take it back.
Meanwhile... pretty soon the UK will belong to Islam too and the US and while they are at it... a few other places.
Well F Islam. Bring all the pilgrims home and let them stay in the Sahara where they belong.

Originally posted by JJay55
Here's the deal. dar ul Islam thinks no non-muslims should be on their land. Islam claims Israel as their land so they will battle to move the Jews. Islam has already told their cells to move against Spain and France because they think that is their land too. The Lavant belongs to Islam and they are making an effort to take it back.

The new Muslim narrative shaping up is how the religion of peace is only going though a hissy fit because the Evil Zionists stirred up the hornets nest.

The big success in commanding and mobilizing an entire class may not be in Britain or Paris or Copenhagen. It could be black America. Millions of black kids with no future, no education, no culture, no religion - hungry for a sense of identity and pace in the world.

It's very obvious and not discussed. A hot potato issue the current US President and politicians don't want to touch with a 10 foot pole.

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