Originally posted by JJay55
That's what pisses me off the most. Guys like Murtha are old and need to go. They also block the guys from the era who would be perfect in the field right now because of old rivalries. So the blacklisted guys are just sitting back hoping they aren't popped off before they get their shot again. Silly internal game that gets us with out pants down and the enemy counts on that. So yeah, by the time the dinosaurs get off their wrinkled azzes, AQ is running circles around them.
Originally posted by mmiichael
Politics doesn't attract the real talent any more. Private indstry and the corporate world reward with unlimited money - into the hundreds of millions with salaries, bonuses, shares. And you don't have to put your life on the line with one misstep or indiscretion like in the political sphere. You can siphon off a few million for yourself, but you have to be really careful.
So politics is stuck with second rate egotists, scumbags, crooked lawyers, the ambitious but uninspired. The odd movie star or second generationer.
If they privatized the government they might be able to get some exceptional people interested. Will never happen.
Originally posted by Night Watchman
Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
No one can really be responsible for the free will or the actions of another. Every person operates independently. It would be the same thing if I expected you to be able to stop every Christian who has their own personal agenda. Its an absolute impossibility to stop the madness of others.
Your insistence in attempting equate the actions of today's Christians extremists with those of today's Muslim extremists is counter productive to what ever points you are attempting to make.
How many thousands have dies over the past ten years at the hands of Muslim extremists? You know full well that Christians have not perpetrated the level of violence on the world, so why do you continue to derail the discussion with your Christian strawman?
Islam has a massive problem on it's hands because a minority of Muslims have used the religion to justify murder. While I believe the great majority of Muslims reject the extremists world view, organizations like CAIR have not helped the religion by remaining largely silent on the criminak actions of the minority.
Originally posted by mmiichael
Originally posted by bigyin
What is important to understand from all this is that Jews in arabic territory are not regarded as enemy by Muslims. They only became regarded as enemy in 1948 when the Jews declared the state of Israel. At that point the Jews were very clearly seen as an enemy have have been since then.
The conduct of Zionist Israel has only made matters worse and hardened the Muslim viewpoint.
If Jews had not taken over part of the arabic land and started making life for Palestininas so difficult then no doubt the presence of Jews on the land would have been tolerated and Jews would not have become the enemy and there would not be any Hubaibiyya.
I have stated on other threads that I fear for the Jews in Israel because eventually they will be overtaken by the Muslims, and yet it didn't have to be this way. They could all have lived in peace from the outset.
The fact that Hammas and other similar minded groups are willing to be patient and look for ways to bring Israel down is the fault of Israel.
This is outright revisionist history misinformation perpetuated by Muslims who conveniently forget their active involvement with the Nazis going back into the early 30s. Let's just call it the Big Lie.
Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Yasser Arafat's uncle and inspiration, was hired by the Nazis to co-ordinate Jewish extermination programs. He worked in Berlin with the top Nazis and advocated a Nazi-style Jewish death camp program across the Middle East.
People on this forum should do actual research on subjects they comment on instead of spewing disinformational race hatred propaganda.
Originally posted by bigyin
The current position of Palestinians is that ideally they want the whole of Palestine to be an Islamic state, and within that state Muslims, Jews and Christians can co exist. This is how it was before the Jews grabbed the land for themselves and made themselves an enemy of Muslims.
Their next best option is for the 2 state solution supposedly on offer by Israel.
"However, Zahar (Palestinian Authority Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahar), who is the overall leader of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, said he didn't rule out the possibility of having Jews, Muslims and Christians living under the sovereignty of an Islamic state, adding that the Palestinians never hated the Jews and that only the Israeli occupation was their enemy."
Originally posted by mmiichael
The position of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem over Palestine was that he wanted Muslims, Jews and Christians to peacefully co-exist. As soon as Hitler declared his war on Jews he was running off to Berlin to form an alliance and pushing for the installation on the Middle East of Nazi-style death camps.
in a May 2005 online posting under the name “farouk1986,” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the suspected Christmas Day 2009 Flight 253 bomber, referred to El-Faisal, writing: “i thought once they are arrested, no one hears about them for life and the keys to their prison wards are thrown away. That’s what I heard sheikh faisal of UK say (he has also been arrested i heard).
'Kenya Unable To Deport Jamaican Cleric'
Wednesday, 06 January 2010 20:12 Abdullah as-Sayf NAIROBI, Kenya, Jan 6 - Controversial Jamaican Muslim cleric Abdullah al-Faisal who was deported from the country on Monday through Tanzania has been returned to Kenya after authorities in the neighbouring country declined to receive him, police sources said.
Police and Immigration officials who had escorted him to Tanzania were unable to get him through to the neighbouring country and had been staying with him at the border until Wednesday morning when they escorted him back to Nairobi.
“He was escorted back to Nairobi and is currently at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport. We are pondering the next move,” a police source said.
Police Spokesman Erick Kiraithe who had confirmed Al-Failal’s deportation earlier on Tuesday was not immediately available for comment.
He had said “Al-Faisal is no longer in the country because we have deported him to Jamaica through Tanzania.”
A group of Muslim leaders led by Al-Amin Kimathi said they had spent the better part of Wednesday at the JKIA trying to seek audience with the cleric in vain.
“The police are totally violating Al-Faisal’s rights. They have unsuccessfully tried to deport him. All the countries have declined to receive him and now they are keeping him here at the airport,” he said.
“We have information that they are planning to deport him to an unknown country tomorrow morning (Thursday). We don’t understand why they are not allowing us to see him. We went with a lawyer ready to represent him but they have declined us access,” he added.
Al –Faisal was arrested on Thursday last week, shortly after attending prayers at a mosque in Mombasa.
Police and Immigration officials said at the time they arrested him for “violating Immigration regulations.”
He had been accused of engaging in preaching, contrary to immigration procedures which did not allow him to engage in such an activity.
Originally posted by bigyin
It's really difficult to answer somebody with such a skewed view of reality, but I'll try.
From your statement above you appear to agree with me that everything was fine right up until Israel created itself.
And then right after that the real trouble started because the Muslims got upset at the Jews grabbing land for themselves.
But then you make out that it's the Muslims fault for getting angry ...... can't you see that it's actually the Jews fault for rocking the boat.
That is my position .... if the Jews had been content to live in harmony with the other people of the region then there would not be the them and us situation we have now.
But no they would not be content... they decided to grab land and start pushing people who had lived there for a long time back, taking rights off of them and making life miserable for them. They are still doing this even today.
Originally posted by bigyin
That is my position .... if the Jews had been content to live in harmony with the other people of the region then there would not be the them and us situation we have now.
Originally posted by JJay55
Here's the deal. dar ul Islam thinks no non-muslims should be on their land. Islam claims Israel as their land so they will battle to move the Jews. Islam has already told their cells to move against Spain and France because they think that is their land too. The Lavant belongs to Islam and they are making an effort to take it back.
