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Man Attempts to Set Off Explosives on Plane

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posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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Well good job there tigerman. See a little searching and you can find the answers in open source material. Now take those principles and dar ul Islam, and dar ul Harb, and taqiyya, and all the others and you will be more trained than most government agents.
The article by the Jordanian author in der Spigel points out the 7 phase plan and also notes the clear phases...
1. the Awakening 911
2. Eyes opening, 2002-2005
3. economic... 2005-2007
4. ME placement 2007-2009
5. US attacks 2010-2013
6. something else
7. total confrontation that pleases Allah....
There are details to all the phases but we are moving into the one where AQ has given the Holy 10 years and they are now more Holy and can procede with the rest of their plans. They are right on schedule and it is coming together for them like they want it to, despite a few seeming set backs.
Anyway, the important part is understanding in Islamic terms instead of Western terms to understand the point of view of how victory looks from the enemy's eyes. That's important. You getting me yet?




posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by bigyin
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I know its a tricky subject mate, try and keep up, instead of making a complete fool of yourself.

Try to show some respect. Thanks.
You did well at the research so maybe you can find some more. Like why 911? Do you know about Coptic Christian holidays? And other Christian holidays that are important? Huh, tiger?



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by bigyin
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I take it you don't want to comment on Hubaibiyya then.

Too complicated for you is it ?


I didn't bother to comment on Hubaibiyya because the premise is so absurd.

It references to the world in Mohammed's time. I know a lot of Muslims have dealing with this - but humanity has changed a lot in 1400 years. What Jews represent, the positioning of the Christian world, whole cultures, national boundaries, ways of thinking - have all been radically transformed since then. The world stretches the globe now. The population is ten times greater than it was back then. Information travels at light speed. Technologies exist that can wipe out armies in seconds. Inflicting death and destruction can have legal repercussion. And on and on.

Some may give nominal recognition to modes of thinking of the past, but this is overridden by realities of the present.

Muslims who want to re-enact what happened in the remote past without regard to how the world operates today are in for serious problems.

On a personal note - I think Hamas is totally reality based despite their infrequent invocations of the past. They want to maintain control and expand their influence - not recreate a fantasy version of the distant past.









[edit on 30-12-2009 by mmiichael]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:12 PM
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Keep this for another thread another day.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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Until the principle is connected to the MO. Like all other terrorist attacks were missed due to the lack of understanding of Islamic principle. To defeat this enemy then one must know how the enemy thinks and their principles. If we think they follow the Roman Rules of War we are mistaken and will lose.
Every single Islamic attack related to Islamic principle but we quickly dismiss this thinking it couldn't possibly relate. And we continue to put out fires and barely miss escaping diaster.
If indeed the plan of reformation of the Caliphate, as stated by AQ and the OIC, then it's about time we take seriously the details.
And I still think you are sexy miichael.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by JJay55
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Until the principle is connected to the MO. Like all other terrorist attacks were missed due to the lack of understanding of Islamic principle. To defeat this enemy then one must know how the enemy thinks and their principles. If we think they follow the Roman Rules of War we are mistaken and will lose.
Every single Islamic attack related to Islamic principle but we quickly dismiss this thinking it couldn't possibly relate. And we continue to put out fires and barely miss escaping diaster.
If indeed the plan of reformation of the Caliphate, as stated by AQ and the OIC, then it's about time we take seriously the details.



Thanks for the insights and directed compliment JJ.

While I agree with you in principle and almost all points, I think one has to factor in practical realities into the plans of the terrorsit networks.

For example, there is much talk on the significance of Sept 11 as a chosen date for the major attack on the US. Numerology, history, Muslim special days and symbology is evoked.

But as intelligence has shown, in fact the date was only decided less than a week before the event. Bin Laden himself was pushing for a date in Spring 2001 for various reasons, I think May 1th was a first choice. Then there was a rush to try and co-ordinate the hijacking operation with a visit from an Israeli Prime Minister that Summer.

The asymmetrical warfare and guerilla style tactics have been largely successful with the US and European dunderheads still projecting their outdated modus operandi on their self-declared enemies.

Just like the US can't figure out how computer hackers breezily breach their high tech and security measures.

If there is a large scale war in the near future the winning side will have the ability to knock out whole communication systems. The US is dependent on satellite transmissions - and this could turn out to be an enormous liability in a war.

Hard-wiring and low-tech are less susceptible to being incapacitated.

Hopefully the US and Europe will get with the program and soon. Being 5 steps ahead of your enemy on all fronts is how you beat them - not trying to play catch-up.

I still think the Muslim bad guys are getting overly confident with their short term gains. They don't see the backlash they're creating. Iran is an example.

Talk again soon. Thanks for the positive feedback.


Mike



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael
But as intelligence has shown, in fact the date was only decided less than a week before the event. Bin Laden himself was pushing for a date in Spring 2001 for various reasons, I think May 1th was a first choice. Then there was a rush to try and co-ordinate the hijacking operation with a visit from an Israeli Prime Minister that Summer.

Nah, no one talked to bin Laden during the planning and KSM was the only holder of the delivery date. Sacred practice in Islam, the secrets from under the tree. Then they parted ways afrer a silent meal and the rest is history.
The other dates were distractions that were planned to reveal under torture and the release of that information was also an indication and secret transmission of messages.
There is only one person who would have known that the Coptic Christian date, but he wasn't invited to the meal... but bin Laden's last meal was shared in that tiny little town. But I digress... I know the next date.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:17 PM
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When's the next date?

Has anyone got any dates right on ATS before?

Tsom87



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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Sorry, can't be revealed here. Don't worry, there will be a warning. But it is a Christian holiday, there's a hint for ya.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by JJay55
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Sorry, can't be revealed here. Don't worry, there will be a warning. But it is a Christian holiday, there's a hint for ya.



Is it the next Christian Holiday?

Tsom87



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by TSOM87

Originally posted by JJay55
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Sorry, can't be revealed here. Don't worry, there will be a warning. But it is a Christian holiday, there's a hint for ya.



Is it the next Christian Holiday?

Tsom87

Where is Jesus to return? And the Mahdi? ANd how long will they be there? Then what happens?



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by TSOM87

Originally posted by JJay55
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Sorry, can't be revealed here. Don't worry, there will be a warning. But it is a Christian holiday, there's a hint for ya.



Is it the next Christian Holiday?

Tsom87

Where is Jesus to return? And the Mahdi? ANd how long will they be there? Then what happens?


JJay, just give me the date plz.

Tsom87

[edit on 30-12-2009 by TSOM87]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by JJay55
no one talked to bin Laden during the planning and KSM was the only holder of the delivery date. Sacred practice in Islam, the secrets from under the tree. Then they parted ways afrer a silent meal and the rest is history.
The other dates were distractions that were planned to reveal under torture and the release of that information was also an indication and secret transmission of messages.

There is only one person who would have known that the Coptic Christian date, but he wasn't invited to the meal... but bin Laden's last meal was shared in that tiny little town.


JJ,

I don't know have primary data so won't argue my info source against yours. As I recall, NSA had bin Laden's private cell phone number for years. They intercepted warning calls to his mother and/or stepmother to get out of town by 9/11. My impression is the final date wasn't solidified until the a couple days before. Pretty confident there had been a push for moving it forward a few months.

Possible both our versions reconcile when details known.

I'm still not totally convinced alignment with significant religious/symbolic adhered to on every count. Prepared to be shown otherwise.


Mike





This



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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Sorry, no. Not because I'm trying to be a hard-on, it's because only selected people know and the methods would be revealed. But if you do alot of research you can figure it out. The decision was made a long time ago, like the other plans before the trip to Borneo.

And this is why:
www.cnn.com...
They are attempting to keep the secret. Won't happen.



[edit on 30-12-2009 by JJay55]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by bigyin

This is outright revisionist history misinformation perpetuated by Muslims who conveniently forget their active involvement with the Nazis going back into the early 30s. Let's just call it the Big Lie.

Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Yasser Arafat's uncle and inspiration, was hired by the Nazis to co-ordinate Jewish extermination programs. He worked in Berlin with the top Nazis and advocated a Nazi-style Jewish death camp program across the Middle East.

People on this forum should do actual research on subjects they comment on instead of spewing disinformational race hatred propaganda.


www.palestinefacts.org...

Al-Husseini represented newly emerging proponents of militant, Palestinian Arab nationalism, a previously unknown concept. Once he was in power, he began a campaign of terror and intimidation against anyone opposed to his rule and policies. He killed Jews at every opportunity, but also eliminated Arabs who did not support his campaign of violence. Husseini was not willing to negotiate or make any kind of compromise for the sake of peace.
State of Israel.


Golly Gee...I like where you're going with this. Although, while we're talking about Muslims helping to eradicate the Jews, lets just throw in another name for the sake of fun.

Prescott Bush...George Bush's grandfather. Oh how I love people who think that they know their history.

Prescott Bush was arrested, indicted, and had much of his fortunes stripped because he was helping to fund, launder, and support Nazi Germany. OUCH. He was the reason why we created the "Trading with the enemy act." I think that we, in the United States, call this TREASON.

en.wikipedia.org...

Bush was one of seven directors of the Union Banking Corporation, an investment bank controlled by the Thyssen family, which was seized in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act as being owned by "enemy aliens." The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward.

Isn't reality funny? Just when you made so much headway and thought you knew it all...BAM, someone shoves a %4#4 right where the sun doesn't shine.

Thank you very much, I'll be here all week correcting your faulty information.





[edit on 30-12-2009 by EvolvedMinistry]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
en.wikipedia.org...

Bush was one of seven directors of the Union Banking Corporation, an investment bank controlled by the Thyssen family, which was seized in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act as being owned by "enemy aliens." The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward.

Isn't reality funny? Just when you made so much headway and thought you knew it all...BAM, someone shoves a %4#4 right where the sun doesn't shine.


The firm Prescott Bush was associated with had business arrangements with Germany just as practically ever major financial institution in the world would have with a major European nation.

These were progressively phased out as Germany started invading neighbouring countries and were terminated when the US formally went to war with Germany in the last days of 1941.

Bush himself was basically a functionary who probably never had more than a 1% interest in the firm.

Conspiracy hounds with zero comprehension of international finance bring this old chestnut up all the time.

Googling non-contextual bits of conspiracy trivia is junk info collecting - not research.

M

[edit on 31-12-2009 by mmiichael]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by JJay55
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Sorry, can't be revealed here. Don't worry, there will be a warning. But it is a Christian holiday, there's a hint for ya.



Probably Three Kings Day.

JJ,

Could you elaborate on the 4th Phase, ME Placement?

Thanks,

Sour



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by JJay55
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Sorry, can't be revealed here. Don't worry, there will be a warning. But it is a Christian holiday, there's a hint for ya.



Probably Three Kings Day.

JJ,

Could you elaborate on the 4th Phase, ME Placement?

Thanks,

Sour

Struggle in Iran, Syria, Jordan, Northern Africa. Picking the best leadership and eliminating those princes that are not pure. Also taking the best oil facilities and shutting the others, finishing up bits and pieces and such, solidifying friendships, placing terrorists in certain positions, strengthening forces... stuff like that, internal that puts them into position to walk into world leadership without internal conflicts and vying for positions. Ghadaffi has already put in his position as king of Aftica, stuff like that.

PS. 3 kings day coincides with the eclipse, solar lunar and blue moon necessary for the Madhi to return, 15 days... all that stuff. But not the date I had in mind. You are smart to pick that date, that's the way the enemy thinks.

[edit on 30-12-2009 by JJay55]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
en.wikipedia.org...

Bush was one of seven directors of the Union Banking Corporation, an investment bank controlled by the Thyssen family, which was seized in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act as being owned by "enemy aliens." The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward.

Isn't reality funny? Just when you made so much headway and thought you knew it all...BAM, someone shoves a %4#4 right where the sun doesn't shine.


The firm Prescott Bush was associated with had business arrangements with Germany just as practically ever major financial institution in the world woul.

These were progressively phased out as Germany started invading neighbouring countries and were terminated when the US formally went to war with Germany in the last days of 1941.

Bush himself was basically a functionary who probably never had more than a 1% interest in the firm.

Conspiracy hounds with zero comprehension of international finance bring this old chestnut up all the time.

Googling non-contextual bits of conspiracy trivia is junk info collecting - not research.

M


[edit on 30-12-2009 by mmiichael]


Quite the deflection with not much information to back your claims. The fact of the matter is...because of PRESCOTT BUSH, we established the "TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT."

Sorry bud, but your response was as shallow as your argument.

Save the conspiracy nut job stuff for the guys who are threatened by such infantile tactics. If you can't admit to being owned, just bow out gracefully.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by JJay55

PS. 3 kings day coincides with the eclipse, solar lunar and blue moon necessary for the Madhi to return, 15 days... all that stuff. But not the date I had in mind. You are smart to pick that date, that's the way the enemy thinks.

[edit on 30-12-2009 by JJay55]


One of my reasons for choosing that date was because of the gifts. Muslims never quite understood why the Christians would be chosen to receive the gifts, since they (Christians) wouldn't know the value nor the importance.



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