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Man Attempts to Set Off Explosives on Plane

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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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Ok time to clarify for those whom maybe confused because I see a lot of mentioning about Christianity. The definition to claim yourself as a Christian is simple. You believe Jesus lived and died for you on the cross and risen from the grave. All the rest, the 10 commandments the old and new testaments are all worked into religion. And that particular views of the written word. That is why there are so many Christians and so many Christian based religions.

They are stories and nothing more in the bible, names are changed of the characters in the stories to better suit that generation. Like in the bible, Noah and the great flood. The oldest written tablet to be found predates the bible by centuries, it’s the table of Gilgamesh and on this stone tablet talks about the great flood. But use a different name than Noah.

Yes the bible is full of death and murders. Mainly in the Old Testament, but lets think about one thing and it can be found in many so called religion books. No matter the person or I should say characters name. Such as Jesus, that story taught us how to treat each other, and if you followed the 10 commandments this would be a world of peace, would it not?

So no matter what religious background you claim to be. Or what names you place to the stories written. Truth is told if every one in the world followed nothing more than the 10 laws of humanity, we all would finally have peace on earth.

But most peoples eyes have not been opened, to this simple truth, they have been brainwashed by those whom preach religion instead of simple love in order to get your money. I don’t care what name you call the god(s). After all a rose by any other name would it not smell as sweet?




posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Many Islamic countries have sizable populations of Christians and Jews,who live happily amonst the locals-Iran for one.

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Not true. Sorry.
Maybe you heard the recent news that the Coptic Christians are being killed in astounding numbers in these (peaceful) Islamic countries. And their daughters are being sold as wives at age 12 and encouraged to be raped?
This is not one big happy peaceful world. And your math might need to be checked on what you consider sizable. But like alot of guys... size is exagerated. ;-)


Ah JJay55, you should be a stand up comedian. Show me proof of the information that you just spouted out about daughters being sold at 12 and raped. By the way, before you go any further, there are elements within the United States that have roughly the same thing going on. Its called, "The Underground Sex Slave Industry." It's existed for quite awhile, so, while you continue your efforts at propaganda, you might want to search your own backyard instead of pointing the finger thousands of miles overseas.

There are several, and I do mean SEVERAL countries that have Islamic, Buddhist, Christian and other such populations that live in complete HARMONY. Your attempt to say "Not true" is the equivalent of plugging your ears and going, "la la la la la la la...I can't hear you, la la la la la la."


[edit on 26-12-2009 by EvolvedMinistry]


than why is america having problems with terroist than? Aren't we considered the most ethically, morally advanced civilization of today? btw this happened in my backyard. *michigan here*



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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OK, good follow up. I don't need to read the encyclopedia of heroin smuggling. That was a more than adequate explanation and I have respect for your knowledge and opinions.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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Bring our troops home and stiffen with deadly consequences our boarders. Close down all backdoor entries and come in the front door, or be killed simple as that.

Enough of this whole political correctness and lets start calling the kettle as it truly is.


Yeah...that sounds like a great plan if you want to live in Nazi Germany or China. Your idea is nothing short of the erection of the Berlin Wall...should I say more? I will say this though, you have a great point with wanting to bring the troops home and correct the government in its massive overspending problem.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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I think your confused the problem is tolerance Christians are taught to tolerate the infedels and muslims are taught to stone them. Jesus said turn the other cheek Mohamed said do onto them twice fold but don't be the one to start the conflict.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by drmeola

This is why we fight as a race. People don't accept the truth or aren't tolerant. Yes I know the story of gilga and still find a happy connections with that and Genesis. Why can't you just be tolerant and accept that you aren't the person who's going to change everyones idea, thinking that you have proof that the bible is just a fairy tale. shut your mouth sir.


[edit on 26-12-2009 by Jordan River]



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Many Islamic countries have sizable populations of Christians and Jews,who live happily amonst the locals-Iran for one.

...

Not true. Sorry.
Maybe you heard the recent news that the Coptic Christians are being killed in astounding numbers in these (peaceful) Islamic countries. And their daughters are being sold as wives at age 12 and encouraged to be raped?
This is not one big happy peaceful world. And your math might need to be checked on what you consider sizable. But like alot of guys... size is exagerated. ;-)


Ah JJay55, you should be a stand up comedian. Show me proof of the information that you just spouted out about daughters being sold at 12 and raped. By the way, before you go any further, there are elements within the United States that have roughly the same thing going on. Its called, "The Underground Sex Slave Industry." It's existed for quite awhile, so, while you continue your efforts at propaganda, you might want to search your own backyard instead of pointing the finger thousands of miles overseas.

There are several, and I do mean SEVERAL countries that have Islamic, Buddhist, Christian and other such populations that live in complete HARMONY. Your attempt to say "Not true" is the equivalent of plugging your ears and going, "la la la la la la la...I can't hear you, la la la la la la."


[edit on 26-12-2009 by EvolvedMinistry]


than why is america having problems with terroist than? Aren't we considered the most ethically, morally advanced civilization of today? btw this happened in my backyard. *michigan here*


America's problem with terrorists is a self made reality. And, according to the rest of the world, we are the problem, not the solution.

Now, the fact that you brought up America being the most advanced, morally ethic and advanced civilization is primarily a Euro/Amerocentric way of thought. If you ask an American whether we are the most morally, technologically and ethically advanced, typically you'll get a salute and a "hell yeah." If you ask that same question to someone in France, Germany, Italy, Russia, China, India, yada yada yada, then trust me, you'll get a far different answer. So, your opinion is relative of your belief in the current system. If you had asked the Germans the same question before WW2, what do you think their answer would have been?



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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Which religious followers bomb abortion clinics, those tolerant Christians. Right?



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:42 PM
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Well I did say that on the bases of an average american. in other words i just wanted to see other opinion. What is know is that we are more powerful than other countries. It's hard to swallow to some but I agree with it. we act as Rome did and we will fallow as Rome did



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:42 PM
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All of you can cry about the odds all you but they are a fact!!!!!!!!

This kind of stuff is just crap it is fear mongering junk, just like 9/11, just like the old days when it was Russia's nukes, this is just todays improvised ways of scaring the shi* out of you and all the American people to get you to throw away you rights and freedoms into the wind so we can have the Government's so called protection that never seems to work.

So crawl into your holes and bury yourself till its over. While i take it for what it really is and you take for what your corrupt government says it is.


and to GradyPhilpott

This is why my statement was what it was....



Those who would suggest that the war against terrorism is a waste need only to pay attention to these continued efforts to kill and maim innocents in the name of Islam.

It is as yet unclear how dangerous these explosives might have been, but it is just another reminder that the war against the US continues.

We can never let down our guard as history has shown. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.


Seems like your trying to spread and put forth the fear. Like these so called terrorist are something new no their not they just have good money from our government to do better things these days.

Yet you seem to fail to realize our government is sponsoring stuff like this all the time, currently the pay the taliban for all kind of stuff like not to attack their supply routes, they trained them, etc....

Our Government lives on false flags for war excuses, do you really think there was no involvement from 9/11 to draw a false flag to get into the wars we are in now



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:43 PM
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The same as the ones who blow up planes religious nut jobs. You can change the religous cloak so to say and they are the same nut jobs.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:43 PM
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What is the main problem with Islam and America? That must be answered. Is it our media? Is it how we view women? What is the problem? Why target the west?



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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:50 PM
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All written words of a religious nature come from some place else, I don’t care what you name it, Bible, Koran, book of Mormons and what ever name you come up with, be it Zeus, Allah, God almighty, Jesus, Jehovah it is just a name. The difference is in the people and the places, most all Christian followers of any religion, follow the peaceful side or the new testament, the that goes for all in America it is a good lesson. To learn and to teach peace. I feel the radicals of any religion means they are still following the old ways. Like the latter-day saints of the Mormon religion the old ways of having more than one wife, or in some of the Muslim followers of the Koran same thing more than one wife.

The Pharos of Egypt followed many gods, king Tut’s father was one of the first to declare only one God, and shortly after his demise becoming Pharaoh Tut returned to the old ways of multiply Gods.

My point being the story it self holds true, the names and place change to better suit the people and times.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by drmeola
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All written words of a religious nature come from some place else, I don’t care what you name it, Bible, Koran, book of Mormons and what ever name you come up with, be it Zeus, Allah, God almighty, Jesus, Jehovah it is just a name. The difference is in the people and the places, most all Christian followers of any religion, follow the peaceful side or the new testament, the that goes for all in America it is a good lesson. To learn and to teach peace. I feel the radicals of any religion means they are still following the old ways. Like the latter-day saints of the Mormon religion the old ways of having more than one wife, or in some of the Muslim followers of the Koran same thing more than one wife.

The Pharos of Egypt followed many gods, king Tut’s father was one of the first to declare only one God, and shortly after his demise becoming Pharaoh Tut returned to the old ways of multiply Gods.

My point being the story it self holds true, the names and place change to better suit the people and times.


Thank you. I enjoyed your reply and view point than before. I see you viewpoint and have understand it. I just felt that you were implaying your view on others. sorry a little cranky and i'm very sick. star for you



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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The cloaks of religion that use peoples need for belonging to point people in directions they want. The religious leaders can teach good or bad or even both. When the people folloow a religious leader who is currupt the flock is currupt. You have that in all religions but here in United States we did have a hold on it to where crazy cult religious leaders were pointed out and seen for what they were. I think were starting to lose that hold because I see more and more crazy preachers all the time. But in other countries I don't think they ever had a hold on crazies being religious leaders the governments in other countries used those crazy religious leaders to there advantage by pointing them in the direction they wanted them to go.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Hey just think of it like this if Islam was all mighty like the US government and they were in our country bombing our houses, our families, our farms and crops.

More into it if they bombed your house and killed your whole family and kids because they so often thought them al qaeda were there which happens every day there, would you not just freakin loose it and want to drive a car full of bombs up their ass if that was your only means, thats the only means over there they are poor


Yet they are not seen as people just enemy that should be demolished because of our governments label on them. Once you can open your mind to recieve the real truth then we can all be on the same page and fully understand what the fack is really going on its the lies of the quest for empire.


This all leads to our people being scared crazy people like this



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Good analysis of the situation Proto. I agree with you.

Listening to MSM here though they are blowing it up to a serious terrorist event, linking it to anything that will drive the fear of AQ higher.

Can anyone tell me if all these airport security checks have actually caught anyone trying to take explosives onto a plane ?

I suspect not, and thats not because the checks are poor, its because there are no terrorists smuggling explosives onto planes.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by MacATK18
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Fk this idiot's got me mad.


I agree. But I must attest to a few things. I believe that most islam are peaceful. Maybe half or damn near 90% of Muslims are pretty good. But the others. Heres the kicker. When you have a group of radical muslims that due throw out suicide bombers, killing americans (war we are having now and 9/11)(lets not include 9/11 conspiracy) torture and osama bin laden claiming to end the west I think most americans will hate islam. I don't see christians sending bomb threats to the united states over abortions (they probably did but thats not going to stop anything) You see where i'm going. islam is a peaceful relgion that I have tolerance with and do feel that we have something to learn from it. But than again... You have terrorist, mass killings that they want to do on american lives or england. so you see. a few bad apples can make the the batch bad.

metaphore sucked dick.. once again I'm sick



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:00 PM
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Sorry to hear you are not feeling well I wish you a quick recovery and thank you for the star.



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