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Originally posted by DINSTAAR
Are the reasons stated above even moral and if so, can they only be accomplished by the state?
Originally posted by Ausar
i dont want to go off topic much: but whenever i read your posts, doc velocity; i feel stupider, you are now going to be labeled as an ememy of mine.
Originally posted by DarthChrisious
Anarchy is unbecoming of a civilized people.
Originally posted by Ausar
in a monarchy/theocracy you would have lords instead of states and you would be living within the real properties of these lords; as your state of being.
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
Even in our earliest stages of civilization development, as in a family unit, there is an element of State. We create hierarchies to achieve unity, cohesion, and structure. Even at the most basic unit, there is no anarchy.
"What justifications are there for the existence of a state?"
I am not looking for reasons it does exist, but for reasons it should.
I am looking for moral justifications to the existence of the state.
Some people are smarter and stronger than others. Some people are more powerful. When smarter, stronger, more powerful people set their mind to dominate others, they often succeed.
When you stand here in the gravity of earth, and you drop a ball from your hand, the ball "must" fall, right?
That is why there "must" be a state.
There is no such thing as "should." What do you think "should" means? It is a manipulative concept, nothing more. "You should obey your superiors." "You should get a job." "You should listen to me." What do these statements really mean? They're simply ways of expressing ideas in such a manner so as to manipulate the listener into perceiving some sort of benefit.
This is a reason why it does exist, not why it should.
Why must there be a state? Saying there must be a state because
there must be a state is a non-answer.
Since you will not justify the existence of the state morally,
simply answer why it must exist, not why it does.
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Without civil courts, there would be no neutral third party to resolve disputes in a public forum.
This is why gang drug dealers resort to violence to solve territorial and payment disputes.
In order to enforce contract law and civil court adjudication, one needs at least some kind of publicly paid enforcement agency, either private or publicly run, sanctioned by the populace, to uphold the courts decisions.
You also need some kind of court system to enact justice when someone has harmed another otherwise you get vigilante justice, which typically isn't fair and typically doesn't hold trials to review the evidence.
This also entails some kind of enforcement arm to uphold justice.
There are several ways to go about legislating what is considered "harm" to another, but this also typically takes some kind of public body to clearly define what harming another entails.
That's basically all you need to have a civil and orderly society.