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Thankfully, those romans loved paul so much, they they credited his 'book' with being truthful. In court, I do believe, if a witness gives testimony that directly contradicts his previous testimony, isn't ALL the testimony thrown out?
And who's statue in rome was replaced by a statue of "St. Paul"?
No man can be trusted. Not me, not you, not any man. And this is regardless of the persons intentions or whatever. No man can be trusted or should be accepted as authority.
Originally posted by pthena
Exactly, yet men wrote down the very words you quote. Do not under any circumstances accept Paul as having any more authority than any other man.
If you know Paul is not God, why are writing about Paul as if he made some claim such as that? If you can't stand Paul, then don't read Paul. That seems a decent enough response.
Christianity was co-opted by the Roman Empire in the third century.
The council of Nicaea dictated what would be in the bible, what would be left out and on which days Jesus was born and died.
So, yes Christianity = roman empire/Caesar.
But in trying to save yourself, you actually lose yourself. To try and save yourself in such a manner is the path that seems right, but isn't. It is actually the path of death and destruction, and the saving of self is only used to justify the actions.
Yes this is difficult to see and understand, but it is the truth. It is why Jesus did what he did in terms of his death - to show people that. Do not fear that which can kill the body, but that which can kill the soul.
As for Caesar and give unto Caesar. What is it that Caesar desired? Material things. In Proverbs 8, it says knowledge and wisdom are more valueable tha choice gold. Thus, it is nothing to give Caesar that which he desires(material of this world). So it is wise to give what Caesar wants and be on your way.
But that is a far step from doing something like joining an army for a crusade and so forth. And when it is more than tribute that Caesar wants, such as the crusades and such - then you best realize what your true authority is.
Jesus doesn't fight back because the only way to fight back in such a way was to kill and break a commandment and sin.
See, fear over saving the body is the #1 tactic of deception and means of getting people to walk the path of death and destruction. 9/11 is the most recent example of what people in mass will do if you make them fear for their lives. Whatever one may believe about the event itself, it is undeniable that the consequences of what a people who feared for their lives did in attempts to save themselves. Because they have committed sin to do so, they are actually losing themselves.
But when someone is born of the spirit and knows the father and knows that death is not real, then there is no reason for them to commit sin. There is no reason to try and "save your life". What are you afraid of? It's not death I fear by any stretch, but that part before it isn't as easy.
... There is no reason for them to fear those who really follow Jesus in terms of violence. However, that is not the reason they are persecuted. They are persecuted because they would lose their power if such people spread. Who is going to fight their wars and so forth?
Same reason Jesus was killed.
But second, non-profit religious and educational organizations are exempt from paying taxes and non-profits have exploded into a mafia like, money laundering program.
Originally posted by pthena
I've just recently started on this forum but I've read of groups organizing for civil war, cards handed out by various government entities to civil workers with broad martial law authority, in short, general preparation for violent domestic conflict. So how will we, you and me act and respond to what is planned for us by the government and anti-government forces?
There is no group I will take up arms for, none of them is worth killing for. Why is this? The same reason Jesus said 'If my kingdom were of this earth, my disciples would fight, but it is not.'
This is radically different from what is being taught anywhere. Do you dare being called un patriotic? You should be un afraid, for Jesus said we have one Father, and He's in heaven. If you will kill for something called 'fatherland' then who is your father?
I don't care or worry about those things honestly. I'll just deal with whatever comes when it comes. I am former military myself, I've been homeless and been through many hard times. While I wouldn't look forward to such times and do my best to keep them from happening, I don't really fear it.