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Woman jumps barrier, knocks down pope at Christmas Eve mass, Vatican says

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posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 08:40 PM
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Who are you putting in your nut houses your own home grown protestants?


people who think god gives a rats what you think.

that INCLUDES every denomination.. I dont need some GOD / farther retard to hold my hand..

I mean its pathetic..

mankind: why why why am i here why so much pain and suffering
God: get a bloody grip will you... i made the universe and your bitching ?


tsk makes me effing sick no wonder this planet is a mess...

why not just say the worlds flat and all jump of the edge

go meet your GOD if you love him so much! oh wait you cant coz that is cheating?

see how effing stupid it is?




posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 08:44 PM
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Can't think of a single society that was not barbaric at the time Catholic church was burning people at the stake.


and yet here you sit follwing this bunch of morons

Oh it was the past.

Let me show you something matey

the present becomes the past.... got that?

good because sooner or later this little fable you wish to cling to called GOD will end.

and that woman does need help to attack anyone, the ironic part is that she attacked someone you seem to think "matters"

dont see you making posts about 60 year old women who get mugged by idiots do you ,, Ohh noo cant do that its the pope!! hes the head of the curch!!! hes important!!

yeah so is pissing on my shoe and telling me its raining!


[edit on 25-12-2009 by 13579]



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by factbeforefiction
reply to post by ROBL240
 


Most likely just another psycho atheist like we see everyday here on ATS.


How very Christian of you to say that.

Marry Christmas to you too.

-rrr



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by DrHammondStoat
Maybe she was a victim of child abuse at the hands of a catholic priest.

Or maybe she was sexually abused by a pedophile policeman or a pedophile fireman. There are a hell of a lot more pedophile cops and firemen out there than there are pedophile priests, but everyone just automatically assumes that all cops and firemen are heroes, when there's little or no evidence to support that assumption — just as there's little or no evidence to support the assumption that all priests are pedophiles.

— Doc Velocity


Dude, firemen and policemen do not claim to be moral authorities.

Shouldn't priests be held to a MUCH higher standard?

Here is the acceptable of number of child rapes, by anyone in any profession: 0

-rrr

[edited to remove double signature]

[edit on 25-12-2009 by rickyrrr]



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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yeah same thing that made me laugh too!

heheh

funny aint it i mean the irony of the statement its self

"THEM BLOODY ATHIESTS MAKING A TRUBBLES!!!!"

lol god its right out of a monty python sketch book.. i should make on

The day the athiest met god ! should be a cracker LOL



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by 13579
reply to post by eradown
 

You eqaute human emotions and use them to justify your own vision of god like a car wrek and spew it down others gobs

This you does not pertain to me. I will not pretend to know what you are writing about.




when was religion created. do you know what BC means?

BE FOR CHRIST thats what it means BEFOR? wtf? what is BE FOR?

Oh my goodness, you figured out what B.C. stands for. That is actually pretty good for an Athiest.

You still won't define what you mean by talking to God. Poor pretend human athiest. You make all real humans grab their bibles , their Rosaries , and their Korans. Our mantras were invented to block your negative animalistic programing.

When things go south for athiests all you have is booze and drugs. Good luck with that. I want no part of such misery.

Athiesm is devolution. Subhumans and lower primates do not believe in God. Animals are incapable of prayer. They have no soul and no one should pretend they do have souls. I am not subhuman; Athiesm is not for me. Your eloquent writing has not made me want to emulate you. Nice try.




[edit on 25-12-2009 by eradown]



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by Gateway


And still are...they are also capable of not committing sin...if they chose to.


Except that priests can absolve your sins and in some cases the pope can make a judgment that has to be considered good in the eyes of God, no matter what. Do you have those privileges? Those do not sound like any human privilege I know of.



I was a practicing Catholic. I am now an agnostic. However, I certainly will not get more accurate information about my former religion by going to town halls much less googling about it.


Apparently not and please do not assume that providing a google link that is perfectly accurate is my research. I cannot offer a link to real books so you will tell me I am making things up. Then again, since what I googled was the truth, it does not really matter the source any more. The fact that a good Catholic does not even know there was an admission to all of this says something about what was learned during that practice.



Do you just regurgitate what you see on the latest BBC documentary or CNN or FOX or google information. I go to the source and then base my opinion. I don't like to have my opinions TOLD to me.


Which source would that be? The child rapists? The ones that covered it up? The Catholic PR machine? Who is this source? I believe in many sources. The best one for just the admissions I speak of would be the Church itself. They admitted these things. They paid HUGE settlements. They apologized. Aren't you the one that pointed out that they formed a panel to watch them to make sure it did not continue? Obviously it happened then didn't it?


Ditto!! Please read above...


Whatever that means.


Again you keep saying the proof is out there. What proof?


Aside from the letter you did not understand?



Ignorance of the issue? I'm bringing you the exact letter written by Ratzinger, above. Now please point to the conspiracy. Again the burden of proof is on YOU.


You are right. It is on me. Unfortunately for you, I do not need to prove to you what he admitted to doing. Please read that letter again. Try and get someone to explain what it really says to you.



The Church is full of hierarchical leadership what some priests and some Bishops have done is abysmal, but certainly pointing to the church as a whole and accusing the Pope or the Catholic Religion as equally or "may eve be worse than NAMBLA" is moronic...and yes clearly this kind of reasoning is only found among the brightest of Ph.D. in our most highly regarded of institutions.


Actually it makes perfect sense. It was not particular men that paid settlements and offered these apologies. It was THE CHURCH. The Church admitted that what IT did was wrong. The pope had a big hand in that as cardinal. Please try reading again.

[edit on 12/25/09 by Lillydale]



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by Gateway
You can be human and not commit sin. A child has not committed any sin.


Whopps. I should have stopped reading right there. You said you are a practicing Catholic? Were you baptized? Do you know why? I need to be sure. You were a practicing Catholic, yes?
You think my research is only Google but you go right to the source, correct?
You just said that a child has not committed a sin, correct?

Ask your source why you needed to be baptized. You were born a sinner. According to the Catholic Church, ALL CHILDREN HAVE SINNED.

So much for having a real discussion with an actual Catholic about the facts of their religion.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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Now this is the kind of answer that gets on my nerves...

Eradown...

Did you just called the guy sub-human?

I mean... doesnt that go against the "loving" and the "forgiveness" of your faith? wow...

Arent all men created equal in his own image? Why all that pride and vanity and superiority against a fellow human being just like you... isnt that a deadly sin also according to your religion?

You're not a man of faith, you're a fanatic. You should be locked away from the rest of us mortals, and spend the rest of your life waiting for your GOD to do anything for you.

But...

Just the feeling that, if you're a believer you now know you're going to hell according to your faith, warms my heart.

As for the Pope... I dont really care if he was pushed or tackled by some woman... I bow to no man.. or god. My life is my own, I'm sorry. I am my own god, ruler of my destiny. If it was my grandmother or my mother or someone close to me I would probably care, but the Pope? Nah... I dont. And that show off of richness and power just sickens me. All that show off should have been locked away, back in the middle ages, along with all the atrocities the Church has pulled off in the last 2000 years. The Pope... hes a "has been", no more will he or any other have the power they once had. They struggle and try to get it back like a fish out of water for the power they once held, but there's no going back ... God, is just an excuse. The problem is people like you. Fanatics. Who dont respect even the slightest opinion thats different from yours.

And the Pope... The most vile and useless "rank" or "status" on earth, hes just as expendable as you. I acknowledge him no authority.

I believe in a creator... I'm closer to a "great architect" then to your God tho.

Normally I would just say that I respect your faith for the thing in common between you and me, is that your view is limited, such as mine but...

For the lack of respect you show for others and for your own faith, you have no place... you are no christian nor anything...

(and btw 13579, the egiptians did have condoms around 1000 bc, just a footnote lol)



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by Gateway
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Quick response:

Do you not believe in protection of the defendant as equally as that of the prosecutor? Or simply because one is accused, he therefore is guilty and should be ridiculed in the eyes of the public. For someone who may loathe the inquisition, the line of reasoning I made above would contradict that.


You are so far off you cannot even see the letter from there.

Ok, so the priest has not been found guilty. Great, so he is still innocent. Ok fine. So you move him to a new parish where no one knows what he is suspected of. What?

If he is innocent, then why does he need to go to a new place to hide? Is this how you investigate a crime? If I robbed a bank, would you then say that until you prove I am guilty of it, I can have the keys to another bank?

This letter is about taking these priests from the arena in which they are suspected of committing a crime and then offering them new victims to prey upon.

Just think for a moment here. Many of these priests were moved MANY times. How many times should a priest be accused of sexual misconduct before you stop offering him new parishes to practice in and actually do some investigating?


This document, merely protects both...


Nope. This document protects the known victims and the priest but offers up new victims like lambs to the slaughter.


In fact if this sort of system was practiced in OUR own COURTS on such trials such as the false rape and accusations made of the Duke Lacross players then maybe innocent people would not have their lives and names ran through the mud.


I can only beg that you read the document again. It does not reconcile with what you are saying at all. This letter is not about offering a podium to the suspected victims and ensuring the rights of the accused. This is about them saying "If you do not press charges, we will make sure he is gone." People shut up and he gets new victims.

Please tell me I am wrong about this so that I know that you both know little of the Catholic religion and the admitted crimes of it's church LEADERS.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by eradown

Originally posted by 13579
reply to post by eradown
 

You eqaute human emotions and use them to justify your own vision of god like a car wrek and spew it down others gobs

This you does not pertain to me. I will not pretend to know what you are writing about.




when was religion created. do you know what BC means?

BE FOR CHRIST thats what it means BEFOR? wtf? what is BE FOR?

Oh my goodness, you figured out what B.C. stands for. That is actually pretty good for an Athiest.

You still won't define what you mean by talking to God. Poor pretend human athiest. You make all real humans grab their bibles , their Rosaries , and their Korans. Our mantras were invented to block your negative animalistic programing.

When things go south for athiests all you have is booze and drugs. Good luck with that. I want no part of such misery.

Athiesm is devolution. Subhumans and lower primates do not believe in God. Animals are incapable of prayer. They have no soul and no one should pretend they do have souls. I am not subhuman; Athiesm is not for me. Your eloquent writing has not made me want to emulate you. Nice try.




[edit on 25-12-2009 by eradown]


LOL

BE FOR CHIRST


Oh my goodness, you figured out what B.C. stands for. That is actually pretty good for an Athiest.


so tell me what the humans race was B.C

athiest?

ge a clue



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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o m f g




You make all real humans grab their bibles


joke

God: knock knock
Manknd: whoes there!!!
God; Me!
mankind: i dont get it.,..



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by eradown
How much Gold do you think the Vatican has? The oppulence of the Vatican is the result of a culture which spawned great artisans. The gold if there is much is hidden. The monuments were created many generations ago. Hating them is as silly as hating the Taj Mahal or the pyramids. No one really wants to look at the ugly monuments to the state American Secularists and Russian communists created; they are ugly and they hurt the eyes. The great archetecture of the world was created by religious freaks



By gold I meant monetary wealth not actual gold as in the element... as for spawning artisans, the artisans where already there... the church just had the money to commission them and fund their church orientated work and projects. The fact you had a church using wealth plundered from other countries along with its own people to fund artwork to adorn its religious palaces and venerate its leaders has gotta sit badly with most people just on principle. All the great architecture of the world was done by artists who followed their religious leaders desires... the Church built nothing, the artists did and they where nothing but worshipers... if the church never existed they'd still have been built just for different reasons. The communist and socialist uglies where also made at a far different time with a completely different aesthetic behind them... most of the work that adorns places like the vatican are from a period where the style didnt change all that much, and anything recent was designed to fit into the established look.

Some of the tombs the popes of centuries past had constructed for them before they died where expensive to the point of being almost sickeningly materialistic constructions, which just doesnt sit with what the christian religion was supposed to be, considering alot of the artists did it from fear (who'd refuse a man more powerful than the kings themselves) or thought that in doing so they got kudos from god. The catholic churchs vatican is mostly an old relic of a time when it was a symbol of the churchs center of power in a hostile world where religion was more powerful than politics and a way of thinking where it was seen as I guess 'heaven on earth' where gods representative resided in his glittering heaven, it was purely to impress the devoted plebs and make your enemies jealous or intimidated... now days (and even back centuries ago) its just obscene really, given the life of the man whos teachings the church was supposedly founded on who was basically an ascetic at his roots... the meek will inherit the earth as they say, which isnt anyone in the vatican I assure you.

That is my dislike of the Pope, since hes basically the human symbol of it all, who has the power to basically stop it, but doesnt, but hey who wouldnt when your living in your own city palace... good way of keeping the guys at the top in toe really. i got nothing against the catholic Church, but every thing against the Vatican.

Edit:- Dont really see this thread going anywhere so ill bow out, most of us have our views and they aint gonna be swayed by others, best to agree to disagree and shake hands, the events over and everything's back to normal, popes fine and nothings gonna change... at least we can talk about it here and voice our opinions, and we dont get burned as heritics or traitors to the church like we once would have... thats progress at least


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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 03:30 AM
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I hope some of you won't mind if i'll post some ON TOPIC updates


Woman: -I did not want to hurt pope -

Rome -The woman accused of assaulting Pope Benedict XVI has told doctors she did not want to harm the pontiff, La Repubblica newspaper said in a report on its online edition.

Susanna Maiolo, a 25-year-old Swiss-Italian national, was admitted to hospital after the attack on the pontiff in St Peter's Basilica on Thursday night. The report quoted her as saying she "did not want to hurt him".

The report quoted Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, archbishop of Genoa and head of the Italian bishop's conference, as saying: "Nothing serious happened. It was a woman who tried to greet the holy father."

www.news24.com...
www.repubblica.it...

Vatican to review security after papal knock-down

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican will review security procedures after a woman jumped a barrier and rushed at Pope Benedict XVI for the second time in two years, this time managing to knock him down before being pulled away by guards, the Vatican spokesman said.

The incident in St. Peter's Basilica raised fresh questions about security for the pontiff, however, after officials said the woman involved had jumped the barrier at the 2008 Midnight Mass in a failed bid to get to the pope. She even wore the same red-hooded sweat shirt.

www.usatoday.com...

There are 350 men working for the safety of the Pope: only outside of St. Peter there are approx. 140 Italian carabinieri and police guards. Not to mention the dozens of metal detectors all over around the Basilica. But all this is useless if the second filter, the one closer to the Pope, won't work.
The second filter is composed by about a hundred guards of Vatican gendarmerie. Plus the Swiss Guards, the Pope's personal army always sticking close to him. But if one is in religious garb, then hardly will get under any type of check.


[edit on 26/12/2009 by internos]



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 03:42 AM
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After skimming through these messages, I'm shocked not one person has mentioned the prophecies of Malachy. Almost 1000 years ago this Irish Catholic predicted the current Pope would be the last and usher in the fall of the Catholic church and the second coming of Christ. I would say this woman has sincere beliefs in religion and wants to bring an end to the Catholic church which has been a blight on the world since it's inception. Malachy also apparently predicted the day and location of his death. fyi.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by andy1033
For all you people out there laughing and what have you. You have no idea what the world would of been like without the christian church. Go live in africa or india, and see what non christian countries are like and what the world would of been like, for you positive thinking crowd.

Without the church our world would of been alot worse.

You people have not even thought about what your typing, and are just sick of the power the church had and has. If you want to live in a world of positive thinking goto india, and see what a rubbish experience life is with that attitude.

Be careful what you wish for.



I'd have been quite happy living in Africa without the Christian Church. it was actually a pretty decent place to live for a really long time. Right up 'til about hte early 1800's. Wonder why that is. Huh. Mystery of the universe i guess.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 04:57 AM
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I totally called it. Damn! Should have set up a betting pool.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 06:09 AM
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Just a quick word on this. Deserved. And he is not welcome in England. Henry VIII rid us of the power of the Catholic Church 500 years ago, and there will not be a return.

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posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by eradown
Can't think of a single society that was not barbaric at the time Catholic church was burning people at the stake. You want to hold people accountable for what their acestors did? We are all in trouble. While we are at it let's hold identical twins responsible for each others crimes.


How about we just hold this pope responsible for what he personally did? How about just for what the church has done in the last 50 years. In case you have not been aware, raping children and covering it up has not been an ill you can attribute to every society over the last 50 years so put your barbarian card back. You do not seem to realize the difference between a response to something you said and a new topic.



posted on Dec, 26 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS

Yeah Mao and Stalin do make me pretty sick. Not to mention Pol Pot, Kim Jong Ill, Fidel Castro and Ho Chi Minh.


Oh good. I was hoping someone would try this one again. Which wars did they fight IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM?

List every ware ever fought in the name of Atheism or you should really give your stars back.



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