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Break up the CIA, says fmr. Reagan intel staffer

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posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Break up the CIA, says fmr. Reagan intel staffer


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Arguing that "covert action and analysis do not belong together in the same agency," a former CIA agent who prepared intelligence briefings for President Reagan in the 1980s says the CIA should be broken in two.

Ray McGovern, who gained attention in recent years after founding the activist group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, wrote in an article published Wednesday that the two primary functions the CIA carries out -- gathering intelligence and executing covert operations abroad
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posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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I am sure most will have some sort of opinion on this. If I remember right the last time the government agencies were over hauled was in 2002. At that time the idea was to consolidate the agencies. Now this person is saying to break them up. Not to sure which would be better. Please do post what ever you think is best or what your feelings are to the situation.

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posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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I think the move in 2002 was to accomodate the free-flow of information between independant agencies.
This is entirely different, IMO.
This guy is saying that the agency needs to be split because they have the ability to "cook up" intelligence through covert means. The danger in this situation is apparent, and I would almost argue INherent. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" and whatnot.

I agree with him.
Except I would rather see the agency dissolved altogether.
S&F



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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i think the world would be a little better off without the said agency. hope they are not coming after me.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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We need a good intelligence agency, where does anyone think Israel would be without the Mossad? We are in trouble because the CIA is not as good as it should be.

That being said, I totally agree the two functions should be separate.

There is another thing we desperately need.. a government watchdog agency that has the power to enter and audit ANY government facility anywhere and a special panel of citizens thats part of it to decide what needs to be secret and what doesn't.

The secrecy is way out of hand. JFK is rolling in his grave...along with the founding fathers I might add.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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With this in mind, the Pentagon has been running it's own under the table operations for years regardless of whether or not if the CIA were already in country gathering intel. Grey Fox is what the unit was last code named during Iraq and Afghanistan operations a few years ago. Some refer to it as a black ops unit since it took an act of Congress to make it "disband" officially after a scandal that took place. This unit is the one that provides intelligence networks and the like for Delta Force, DEVGRU, etc. It even got to the point where the CIA was actually having to borrow their equipment to get their jobs done. Ironic honestly given this article.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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I'd pay to see an attempt to break up the CIA.

It would fail, but could expose some of their most sinister covert methods in the process.

When parties involved in such a move suddenly die from natural causes, accidents, disappearances and have bad things happen to those around them, all without any trace of a crime or link to the CIA it will end with a decision to keep the CIA as it is and was because it has been proven to be "essential to national security"

The CIA is a power that even the federal government can't contend with.

If they try, they will fail miserably.

They just want to be left alone, so they can profit from covert agendas including the drug trade, international arms sales & trade, paid for assassinations, foreign government extortion and bribery exploits and much more fun and highly profitable, unstoppable, untraceable stuff.



Try it, I dare ya!



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by expat2368



There is another thing we desperately need.. a government watchdog agency that has the power to enter and audit ANY government facility anywhere and a special panel of citizens thats part of it to decide what needs to be secret and what doesn't.

The secrecy is way out of hand. JFK is rolling in his grave...along with the founding fathers I might add.


i get the feeling that "watchdog" will end up being your next gubment if granted that power. if not then you`ll get another pain in the a*ss additionally to what you got right now.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Bad idea.
John F. Kennedy tried to break up the CIA into 1,000 pieces
making it virtually powerless.
Look what happened to him and his brother.

Leave the CIA alone.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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There's no power left in the US government let alone the world that could "break up" the CIA, or for that matter the Pentagon with it's enormous and strictly off-the-record black budget. They are entities wholly unto themselves, unaccountable for their own actions and with absolute power. They'll treat Americans just like anyone else, whosoever should attempt to stop them or hinder them we'll be on their hitlist.

The only true way to stop them is to starve them, stop feeding the beast - nothing short of a tax revolt will end their hegemony.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer

The only true way to stop them is to starve them, stop feeding the beast - nothing short of a tax revolt will end their hegemony.


That would do nothing to "starve" the CIA, they can be fully self-sustaining through their covert activities, government funding is just for the legitimate side of their operations and also provides cover for everything else at least in regard to "public opinion".

They are laughing at this, right now, I assure you!





posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 06:03 PM
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If the possibility of breaking the CIA existed they would find a way to keep it intact no politician is willing to step up and fight them besides if the Agency were indeed going under they would make sure to take everyone with them.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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I agree with most of what you say.
It would be possible to disband the CIA. Relatively easily, even. But it ain't gonna' happen. No way, no how.

The only way it would work would be for the President to decide, upon a whim, that he was going to have every CIA agent arrested simultaneously.

Any other way, it wouldn't happen.

The CIA, like the FBI, the NSA, etc, etc... is a lot like a cornered animal. Their power has become so strong that they have a self-sustaining life of their own. And being such, will fight viciously for their own survival.
Going so far as to murder anyone in their path.

Like I said initially, I would love nothing more than to see them disbanded, but that won't happen.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
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The only way it would work would be for the President to decide, upon a whim, that he was going to have every CIA agent arrested simultaneously.


Do you have any idea how many CIA agents there are that DO NOT EXIST?

No birth records, no nationality, complete immunity, and can work alone without orders?

How do they arrest them?

These super covert agents exist in just about every country on the planet.

Think of the mafia, on a global scale, with unlimited powers!

They could arrest every known agent, nuke all known CIA facilities "globally" and still they will laugh at them.

The CIA as a whole has two faces, and one of those we've never seen, nor will we ever see, and if you do, it will likely be the last thing you ever see.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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It doesn't change the fact that the organization WOULD be disbanded.
Whatever comes next, wouldn't be the CIA.

It would be an even more insane terrorist organization.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:05 PM
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I was under the impression that many in the CIA were quite demoralized, cut off and disrespected when the Bush Jr. administration created the NSA. Was that another way he flipped off his dad, Bush Sr. former director of the CIA? Junior always wanted to one up his father and he sure did get rid of a lot of Middle East specialists who stood in his way...that included people working for the CIA.

Just wondering.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:07 PM
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Seriously?
Whatever gave you that impression?

How would Jr. "thumb his nose" at his dad? Or why would he?

Furthermore, why would that be considered a knock against his father?

I see it more like: "Hey look dad, I founded ANOTHER organization that can gather intell on our own citizens! Giving us even MORE POWER!!!!!"



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR


It would be an even more insane terrorist organization.


Unlike terrorist organizations that we know of, if there were a serious attempt to as you say to "disband the CIA", no terrorist group on the planet would be capable of the reprisals that a rogue CIA would be.

They could bring down the government, if they decide they need to.... They could make life for a lot of people very uncomfortable and quickly.

While it may seem feasible to break up the CIA, the truth is that would be both suicidal, and impossible and, would likely create a monster we don't really need in these times.

I would not advise testing the dark side of the CIA.

But if that is what the PTB decide to do, more power to em.


Make sure you check your last wills, burial policies, life insurance, custody issues etc. before embarking on this noble cause.




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