How would You change the Uganda Gay Bill?, page 1
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reply posted on 24-12-2009 @ 08:19 AM by JohnPhoenix
reply to post by Ulala



That is not answering the question and in my opinion totally off topic. The Topic is How would you change the Bill and still accomplish the same goals.

Many people disagree with you about being born Gay. Though this is a popular belief, there is nothing that proves this is true and nothing says God created people to be gay. However that is not the issue here.

Obviously Uganda wants this and a lot of people feel the bill is too harsh. O.k. then I ask, How do you change the bill and still thwart homosexuality in Uganda?





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reply posted on 24-12-2009 @ 08:36 AM by JohnPhoenix
Originally posted by Maslo


Lets say you were a member of the government in Uganda and you were charged with the task of stopping homosexuality in Uganda. How would you do it?


I wouldnt do it because it is against human rights IMHO.
But I would replace the word "homosexual" with the word "person", so that the law would apply equally to everyone. Or is heterosexual rape less wrong than homosexual?

But this all is part of a more general problem - when another country has a law that is not fair in the eyes of people of some other country.

If some country for example legalizes murder, would you intervene somehow?


So they happen to be singling out homosexuals because they obviously feel they do not want homosexuals in their country. One of the things the Bill does say is it's not just the aids thing they are doing this for but also because they feel homosexuality is hurting their traditional family values. To answer your question.. that's why. They must feel that homosexuality is not morally proper.

This is a law about Them specifically. I am sure they have laws in place against murder for the general population too.

The eyes of other people in other countries must not concern the government in Uganda until such time as international human rights laws are violated. This is not the case here no matter how you feel about it. If you change the international human rights laws to protect gays from all forms of discrimination then that is another story and you would be right.


reply posted on 24-12-2009 @ 09:27 AM by Maslo
reply to post by JohnPhoenix



Homosexuality, unlike communism is encoded in the genome. People dont choose to be homosexuals, so they cannot be persecuted for it.


reply posted on 24-12-2009 @ 09:52 AM by JohnPhoenix
reply to post by Maslo



Again that is a matter of opinion. Science is proven wrong time an again. Even when the observations support the theories that is not proof as other observations will often times support different theories. I do not believe science understands genes enough to really say exactly what the case really is. If they told you tomorrow they found a gene that makes people murderers and you had it would you believe it?


reply posted on 24-12-2009 @ 10:22 AM by Ulala
reply to post by JohnPhoenix



Sorry if it strayed off topic.

To answer your question then, a totally ridiculous one at that, but I'll try.

Firstly, if homosexuality has to be eradicated then the bill cannot simply be confined to those caught committing sexual offences. It'd have to clearly define who a homosexual is.

Easiest way to do that would be to define a homosexual as someone who has had sexual contact with another of the same sex ? Can we agree on that ?

But see, and I'm playing devils advocate here, but a surprisingly large number of otherwise straight men have had sexual contact with another man, in adolescence perhaps or during a menage a trois ... so you'd really be looking at eradicating a surprisingly large percentage of the male population ... at least 50% I think, if we're all being honest.

But even if we left the percentage at merely 10% you'd have to establish facilities to house these men before their trial and you'd have to construct a very large number of execution facilities. Death camps perhaps ? And you'd need to expand the police force, judiciary to cope with the numbers coming through the system. Perhaps you could give the bill powers to allow the police to monitor internet useage, to monitor those who visit gay porn sites, chatrooms, social networking sites etc. We could engage police officers as agent provcateur, to pose as gay men in clubs, cafes etc and in those areas where "nocturnal activity" is likely to happen.

There'd be huge social consequences, of course. You'd have to get the straights to work longer hours to make up the fall in production. You'd probably have rioting too unless you vigorously suppressed all opposition. You could create a police state where those suspected of homosexuality are reported by neighbours etc. You'd have to do that, I think.

The international reaction might not be too advantageous though. You'd have your country suspended from the British Commonwealth, the EU & its constituent nations would break off economic & diplomatic ties, USA too I reckon, you'd have your economy on its knees, people going hungry etc, much like Zimbabwe I think.

But at least you'd have eradicated the gays. The current ones, obviously. You'd still have to deal with "Gays : The Next Generation" being born, perhaps you could provide the bill with powers to raise funds to provide universities with the ability to find the gay gene, then at least you could abort all gay babies without the need for death camps etc.

Does that answer your question in a fashion you find acceptable ? Getting off on it yet ?

It's all a bit Nazi though, nicht wahr ?


reply posted on 24-12-2009 @ 10:33 AM by SmokeJaguar67
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Lets say you were a member of the government in Uganda and you were charged with the task of stopping homosexuality in Uganda.

How would you do it?
[edit on 24-12-2009 by JohnPhoenix]


You will not like my response but I am going to say it anyway because this is a public forum and I am entitled to my opinion.

I have no right to tell my neighbour to be heterosexual any more than the Ugandan government has any right to tell the gay members of it citizenry to be heterosexual.

If I was a member of the Ugandan government and I had been tasked with stopping homosexuality in Uganda. Firstly I would tell the tasker to stick the task where the sun does not shine and secondly I would go into self exile because I would not wish to live in a country that thought that discriminating against one group of people for their sexual preferences is a civilised and decent way to go.

For me it is no wonder Africa is in such a mess and its people suffer proportionately much more than many others humans in the world demographically when its governments prove their idiocy time after time. This moronic policy against homosexuality is a perfect example of idiocy based on ignorance that sets in motion the African elite to make policy based upon quasi-religious bias and flies in the face of respectful tolerance for each other.

I am heterosexual (before I am accused of being gay and thus biased in my opinion) and I have no problems whatsoever with another’s sexual preference because it is their life not mine and I have no rights to influence another with my preference.

It is time to raise our heads above the nonsense and the things that divide us, and start looking at things that really matter like reasons/lies for war and the real truths that motivate our governments to do such unspeakable things to our people all over this earth in our name.

Heterosexuality/homosexuality is a personal thing that no person has a right to legislate against and only divides us further at a time when we really should be standing together no matter what our sexual (or religious) preferences.

Divide and conquer was never so easy for the elite it seems, just mention religion and sexuality and we will conquer ourselves ripe to a turn.

It would seem many of us that buy the line fed from up top deserve everything that may be coming.


reply posted on 24-12-2009 @ 10:48 AM by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by JohnPhoenix



And God is proven to be right again and again yeh? Science is a much greater help to people than religion will ever be. Jog on son, your boring!
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